[Movies] The DC Cinematic Universe - The David Zazlav Dumpster Fire.

[jwhouk]

And there you go, thanks @mroosc1979.

The scene with a trucker could have resulted in Clark doing something not "petty" but "karma's a bitch" thing - and that would have probably made the character believable.

Killing Zod wasn't Superman. Hell, HIS OWN "REAL" FATHER didn't kill Zod.

 

[PatrThom]

EDIT: Would Deadpool be considered bleak or dystopic? I haven't seen it yet, but I got the impression that despite the violence, it was rather up-beat. .....up-beat in that Deadpool-kind-of way. Snarky but not necessarily nihilistic. It didn't look washed-out in the commercials, either, but you guys can correct me if I'm wrong.

I haven't seen it either, but I kind of think of Deadpool as something like a "happier" version of Falling Down, or at least appealing to a similarly tempered audience.

--Patrick

 

[Hailey Knight]

Do you guys remember Superman 2? Where he killed Zod and them, and went back to beat up that trucker?

 

[Ravenpoe]

Do you guys remember Superman 2? Where he killed Zod and them, and went back to beat up that trucker?

Technically he just stood there, the trucker beat himself up.

 

[GasBandit]

And technically, he only killed Zod, Lois killed the female hench and the male hench tried to fly and fell on his own

 

[bhamv3]

Wasn't there that deleted scene that showed Zod et al surviving the fall?

 

[Hailey Knight]

Wasn't there that deleted scene that showed Zod et al surviving the fall?

That's an alternative cut. All three live, Superman flies around the world to rewind time again instead of memory-zap kiss.

 

[bhamv3]

That's an alternative cut. All three live, Superman flies around the world to rewind time again instead of memory-zap kiss.

Ah, ok. My memory's fuzzy.

 

[jwhouk]

Well, the fall probably didn't kill them. The tons of frozen ice that they fell into, however, made them all Krypto-sicles.

Zod, however, truly Kicked The Dog in that movie.

 

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I haven't seen that movie in a long time but I do remember just assuming they weren't dead, and that Supes collected them later. After all, he is superman.

 

[Hailey Knight]

I haven't seen that movie in a long time but I do remember just assuming they weren't dead, and that Supes collected them later. After all, he is superman.

If anyone can collect corpses from the bowels of the Fortress of Solitude, it's Superman.

 

[PatrThom]

I do remember being disappointed in what was obviously the writers/producers/somebody saying, "Let's put our own personal twist on Superman's powers."

--Patrick

 

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The giant cellophane s was weird on the one hand. On the other, golden age Superman seemed to have whatever power the plot required.

 

[Hailey Knight]

I do remember being disappointed in what was obviously the writers/producers/somebody saying, "Let's put our own personal twist on Superman's powers."

--Patrick

One of the smart moves made by the 90s animated series was giving Superman a specific power list and making him work with just those. No sudden cape into energy shield kind of crap.

EDIT: Ninja'd by Fade. I hate that S thing.

To be fair, Batman was the same way, just replace power with gadget.

 

[PatrThom]

The giant cellophane s was weird on the one hand. On the other, golden age Superman seemed to have whatever power the plot required.

I assumed that was technology. The teleporting? The hologram/statue clones? No.

One of the smart moves made by the 90s animated series was giving Superman a specific power list and making him work with just those. No sudden cape into energy shield kind of crap.

I noticed they made him more vulnerable, too, like when they allowed him to become injured and even bleed.

--Patrick

 

[Ravenpoe]

Remember when he had wall-building vision?

 

[Hailey Knight]

I'm so used to him taking off like a gun that it's weird to see him just casually float into the air.

 

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I remember the DC role playing game rated silver age Superman's strength level at 50000 tons. It's the first thing I think of when people do the whole Superman v Hulk argument. Green Hulk is officially rated by Marvel at 100 tons, increasing with rage. Even taking rage into account, it's hard to believe he increases by a factor of 500, meaning Superman could punch a hole through the hulk. Granted modern age Supes is weaker, but still.

 

[Hailey Knight]

But if you go back far enough, he's even weaker. My cousins had a DVD of 40s era Superman cartoons (including some with ... questionable depictions of the Japanese) and he was getting beaten by a volcano. A friggin volcano! That's the tutorial for superpowered individuals these days.

 

[jwhouk]

All of a sudden I'm hearing, "HULK CAN MOVE, BABY!" in the back of my head...

 

[AshburnerX]

I remember the DC role playing game rated silver age Superman's strength level at 50000 tons. It's the first thing I think of when people do the whole Superman v Hulk argument. Green Hulk is officially rated by Marvel at 100 tons, increasing with rage. Even taking rage into account, it's hard to believe he increases by a factor of 500, meaning Superman could punch a hole through the hulk. Granted modern age Supes is weaker, but still.

I remember watching the DEATHBATTLE between Superman and Goku over at Screw Attack and they had to spend something like 20+ minutes going over their specific powers, how they worked, and then the math to justify their conclusions. Ultimately they found that Superman has no effective limit to his strength and invulnerability as depicted in the modern age, especially in regards to stuff like the Infinite Mass Punch he's borrowed from The Flash. As such there is basically no way he could lose a fight, ever, that didn't involve someone targeting one of his very specific weaknesses (such as Lex using kryptonite or Shazam blasting him with magic lightning) unless they were also from Krypton.

 

[Jay]

They're called THOR.

Despite disliking Thor (as I did with most "god" superheroes"), I could relate to him. He was all about his Hammer.

Just like @Null is about his in my NSFW Cosplay Thread.

 

[Null]

I like cosplay and I like varying-degrees-of-naked women. It's a good combination.

 

[HCGLNS]

I remember the DC role playing game rated silver age Superman's strength level at 50000 tons. It's the first thing I think of when people do the whole Superman v Hulk argument. Green Hulk is officially rated by Marvel at 100 tons, increasing with rage. Even taking rage into account, it's hard to believe he increases by a factor of 500, meaning Superman could punch a hole through the hulk. Granted modern age Supes is weaker, but still.

Secret Wars had him lifting 150 billion tons in the 80's when very pissed off.

 

[CynicismKills]

JK Simmons is Commissioner Gordon in the JL movie-verse.

YOU WERE GOING TO SAVE THE SPIDER-MAN FRANCHISE, NOT JOIN THE DCU

 

[bhamv3]

How hilarious would it be if he played Gordon the same way he played Jameson?

"Gang shootout on fifth street, and you don't even show up? What do I shine this bat-signal for? You're fired!"

"Commissioner... the Joker?"

"Oh, right. You're un-fired. New guy in town, leaves playing cards everywhere. Check it out for me, will ya? Well, what are you waiting for, a pat on the back? Go!"

 

[CynicismKills]

How hilarious would it be if he played Gordon the same way he played Jameson?

"Gang shootout on fifth street, and you don't even show up? What do I shine this bat-signal for? You're fired!"

"Commissioner... the Joker?"

"Oh, right. You're un-fired. New guy in town, leaves playing cards everywhere. Check it out for me, will ya? Well, what are you waiting for, a pat on the back? Go!"

WAYNE! I NEED PICTURES OF THAT MENACE, BATMAN! GONNA SHOW GOTHAM WHAT A NUISANCE THIS CAPED "CRUSADER" REALLY IS!

 

[PatrThom]

WAYNE! I NEED PICTURES OF THAT MENACE, BATMAN! GONNA SHOW GOTHAM WHAT A NUISANCE THIS CAPED "CRUSADER" REALLY IS!

"But sir, why are you telling Mr. Wayne to do this? He's not even a reporter!"
"Hmm, I don't know. It just feels more natural for some reason."

--Patrick

 

[Hailey Knight]

He could still do Spider-man unless there's something in his contract with WB that says he can't do any Marvel movies.

That aside, this feels like miscasting, but I'm too jaded to care.

 

[Hailey Knight]

Audience reactions have been coming out since the Batman vs Superman premiere, reactions being largely positive, especially for Batman and Wonder Woman, with some calling the trailers "deceptive."

I'm sure it'll have a big opening this coming weekend.

 

[evilmike]

Audience reactions have been coming out since the Batman vs Superman premiere, reactions being largely positive, especially for Batman and Wonder Woman, with some calling the trailers "deceptive."

I'm sure it'll have a big opening this coming weekend.

Early tracking estimates are suggesting a domestic box office of $120-$140 million. (Collider) Though, as the article notes, early tracking numbers have been increasingly unreliable of late. (Re: Deadpool)

 

[Hailey Knight]

Early tracking estimates are suggesting a domestic box office of $120-$140 million. (Collider) Though, as the article notes, early tracking numbers have been increasingly unreliable of late. (Re: Deadpool)

That seems likely. I feel it's going to have a big weekend no matter what; whether it sticks around afterward will probably be determined by whether or not people liked it much and recommend it to others.

 

[Tress]

I have a feeling that idiots will see special effects & explosions, and recommend it to friends despite terrible script, plot, directing, etc.

 

[Hailey Knight]

I have a feeling that idiots will see special effects & explosions, and recommend it to friends despite terrible script, plot, directing, etc.

Except WB is worried Batman vs Superman will be "too smart" for audiences .

 

[Celt Z]

Except WB is worried Batman vs Superman will be "too smart" for audiences .

I don't think that's ever been an issue for either of those franchises. Including any pre-2000 movies. (And I really liked The Dark Knight, but that was all performance-driven. I wouldn't say it had a complex plot, or any of the Nolan trio, for that matter, unless you count the "twist" towards the end of Batman Begins.)