[Movies] The DC Cinematic Universe - The David Zazlav Dumpster Fire.

[Null]

"The greatest lie ever told in America is that power can be innocent."

THAT IS ENTIRELY THE FUCKING POINT OF SUPERMAN.

LITERALLY THE CORE OF HIS CHARACTER IS THAT HE IS A LEGITIMATELY GOOD PERSON WHO HAPPENS TO HAVE INCREDIBLE POWERS.

Time and time again, supervillains have underestimated Superman or failed to understand that for him, it's not about power or glory or whatever drives them, it's that he honestly believes in truth, justice, doing right by your fellow person, helping those in need, and inspiring others to use their abilities for good purposes.

To take that character and turn him into a scowling grim sociopath is quite simply wrong.

 

[Hailey Knight]

Snyder: the supervillain who misunderstood Superman, but still killed him.

EDIT: Not to go all numbers on this, but unsurprisingly the movie's doing fine for its opening weekend. Nowhere near Jurassic World levels, but still huge. Also nowhere near breaking even, so WB better hope it has legs.

The common positive note I keep hearing is that people liked Affleck as Batman, want more of that, and Jeremy Irons too. Maybe WB should just stick to making Batman movies.

 

[Ravenpoe]

Snyder: the supervillain who misunderstood Superman, but still killed him.

EDIT: Not to go all numbers on this, but unsurprisingly the movie's doing fine for its opening weekend. Nowhere near Jurassic World levels, but still huge. Also nowhere near breaking even, so WB better hope it has legs.

The common positive note I keep hearing is that people liked Affleck as Batman, want more of that, and Jeremy Irons too. Maybe WB should just stick to making Batman movies.

This movie made me think they might be able to pull off an adaptation of Killing Joke

 

[evilmike]

Not to go all numbers on this, but unsurprisingly the movie's doing fine for its opening weekend. Nowhere near Jurassic World levels, but still huge. Also nowhere near breaking even, so WB better hope it has legs.

Audiences Give Batman v Superman Same CinemaScore as Catwoman, Green Lantern

This movie made me think they might be able to pull off an adaptation of Killing Joke

Is that because of the way they have fun shooting long standing secondary characters?

 

[Sparhawk]

They are working on an animated version of Killing Joke, with Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill back in their roles from Animated Series.

 

[Piotyr]

I feel like the movie was...okay?

If anything, the movie was trying to shoehorn two stories into one movie, and one worked and one didn't.

 

[PatrThom]

If anything, the movie was trying to shoehorn two stories into one movie, and one worked and one didn't.

So you're saying it's the DC version of Spider-Man 3?

--Patrick

 

[Piotyr]

So you're saying it's the DC version of Spider-Man 3?

--Patrick

Basically, but not that there were too many villains, just that they got so focused on setting up Justice League that they messed up the actual movie they were making.

 

[GasBandit]

So you're saying it's the DC version of Spider-Man 3?

--Patrick

I actually made that reference when I was trying to explain to my friends why I didn't like it.

 

[Hailey Knight]

So you're saying it's the DC version of Spider-Man 3?

--Patrick

Or DC's version of The Amazing Spider-man 2.

Or DC's version of Iron Man 2.

 

[Ravenpoe]

So you're saying it's the DC version of Spider-Man 3?

--Patrick

Doomsday is definitely Venom.

 

[Null]

Doomsday is definitely Venom.

No, he's a cave troll.

 

[Ravenpoe]

No, he's a cave troll.

C'mon man, Topher Grace isn't -that- bad.

 

[GasBandit]

Or DC's version of The Amazing Spider-man 2.

Or DC's version of Iron Man 2.

I liked Iron Man 2. Just as much as I liked 1, maybe even a little more. I don't get why so many people don't like it, and yet 3 seems to be treated better when so much of it was tiresome and forehead-slapworthy.

 

[PatrThom]

Spider-Man 3?

The Amazing Spider-man 2.
Iron Man 2.

I still haven't actually seen any of these movies yet.

No, he's a cave troll.

Ok, I have seen LoTR (even the animated versions!), but I'm still missing Smaug and Five Armies.

--Patrick

 

[Null]

I still haven't actually seen any of these movies yet.

Ok, I have seen LoTR (even the animated versions!), but I'm still missing Smaug and Five Armies.

--Patrick

Nah, you really aren't.

 

[blotsfan]

Its already made over 400 million dollars.

 

[CynicismKills]

I liked Iron Man 2. Just as much as I liked 1, maybe even a little more. I don't get why so many people don't like it, and yet 3 seems to be treated better when so much of it was tiresome and forehead-slapworthy.

I never really had an issue with 2 either. I didn't really care for the villain fakeout in 3, and Rourke was pretty decent in 2, even with his Boris-and-Natasha accent.

 

[@Li3n]

So i just got back from it, and i have to say... it should have been called Dawn of Bad Decisions.

Spoiler

Yeah supes, you should totally waste all that time diving for the spear even though LITERALLY ANYONE ELSE THERE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN IT FASTER because they could swim up instead of floating unconsciously. And bats, what a great idea to make him chase you to the spear instead of just getting it and the coming after him... how could that ever go wrong.

And don't even get me started on that ending... SHE LITERALLY CUT OFF HIS HAND AND YOU DON'T THINK FOR A SECOND SHE COULD HANDLE THE SPEAR? WTF?????

"The greatest lie ever told in America is that power can be innocent."

THAT IS ENTIRELY THE FUCKING POINT OF SUPERMAN.

Well, to be fair, that was a line from the villain, so one would assume the hero would prove him wrong by the end... they just kind of fail at it.

 

[phil]

2 was fine, except for the "I hid the solution for your exact problem in the layout of my theme park" thing.

 

[GasBandit]

So i just got back from it, and i have to say... it should have been called Dawn of Bad Decisions.

Spoiler

Yeah supes, you should totally waste all that time diving for the spear even though LITERALLY ANYONE ELSE THERE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN IT FASTER because they could swim up instead of floating unconsciously. And bats, what a great idea to make him chase you to the spear instead of just getting it and the coming after him... how could that ever go wrong.

And don't even get me started on that ending... SHE LITERALLY CUT OFF HIS HAND AND YOU DON'T THINK FOR A SECOND SHE COULD HANDLE THE SPEAR? WTF?????

Yeah, I kept expecting

Spoiler

Supes to throw the spear to Wonder Woman so she could finish Doomsday off.

I mean, it's not as if Greeks know anything about spears or anything... they only invented the fucking manual for how to effectively use them in battle.

 

[Ravenpoe]

Yeah, I kept expecting

Spoiler

Supes to throw the spear to Wonder Woman so she could finish Doomsday off.

I mean, it's not as if Greeks know anything about spears or anything... they only invented the fucking manual for how to effectively use them in battle.

I would trust Wonder Woman with any weapon infinitely over Supes. She's a trained warrior, he just punches people.

 

[Hailey Knight]

Iron Man 2, if you liked it that's fine, but there are some who criticized it for being Avengers Zero and I agree. Also, second act being guilty of too many subplots (Tony drinking, Tony dying, Tony dad problems, Tony power and responsibility) because they didn't have time to write Act 2 of the main plot.

I liked Iron Man 3, but its problem is similar to The Dark Knight Rises in that it should've been called Tony Stark 3. But that I enjoyed once and never need to watch again, whereas Iron Man 2 was aggravating. But at least it wasn't boring like Thor 2.

Marvel's not without its problem films, they just handle the overall plan better than DC/WB. WB has no confidence in anything it's working on, which is why BvS became such a clusterfuck, same as Sony with Amazing Spider-man 2. They lack patience. But it doesn't matter, because WB made money. Expect to see this same kind of shittery in future DC films, as Snyder "has a little fun" with the characters.

 

[Terrik]

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I liked Iron Man 3, but its problem is similar to The Dark Knight Rises in that it should've been called Tony Stark 3. But that I enjoyed once and never need to watch again, whereas Iron Man 2 was aggravating. But at least it wasn't boring like Thor 2.
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I caught this on TV just the other day again, and yeah, man is it BORING. The human characters don't stand out and pretty much the only thing I like is Loki.

 

[bhamv3]

I like Thor 2 better than Thor 1.

 

[Hailey Knight]

I caught this on TV just the other day again, and yeah, man is it BORING. The human characters don't stand out and pretty much the only thing I like is Loki.

I liked Loki and the climax, but the climax felt like it was part of a much more exciting movie that didn't take itself too seriously. The rest of the movie seemed to think it was Really Important, but it never felt that way, and the mother's death did not earn the follow-up scenes. Like, I could not care less what was going on. What a waste of Chris Eccleston.

 

[PatrThom]

Friend of mine posted this on FB today:

--Patrick

 

[GasBandit]

I also liked Thor 2 and thought Thor 1 was kind of boring...

 

[Bubble181]

I figured some of you might enjoy some of the quotes in this article:
Link to the WSJ

 

[CynicismKills]

Far as I know the planets destroyed in Force Awakens were all Republic planets, so it's not really collateral damage when that was the whole point of firing the weapon.

Also it bothers me how he talks about Watchmen like it's his story. Sure, he made the comic into a big flashy movie, but in the end the story's philosophical groundwork is Alan Moore's, not his.

 

[Bubble181]

Far as I know the planets destroyed in Force Awakens were all Republic planets, so it's not really collateral damage when that was the whole point of firing the weapon.

I know, that was one of the first things I thought. "Bad Guy Kills Millions, Has To Be Stopped" is not the same as "Good Guys Happily Join In Killing"

 

[Hailey Knight]

I know, that was one of the first things I thought. "Bad Guy Kills Millions, Has To Be Stopped" is not the same as "Good Guys Happily Join In Killing"

I doubt Snyder thinks out the ramifications of anything. The only reason BvS has the constant "abandoning buildings" info drops like it's an old DBZ episode is because people mentioned how many had to have died in Man of Steel. Doesn't seem like that matters much when Batman and Superman keep intentionally killing people. Seems as far as Snyder's concerned, you can't have no-kill heroes, that just doesn't work for a modern audience. Well, for his audience.

Sometimes I feel like he wants to be an indie art film director and lucked into doing big budget action films, so he has this pretentious mindset. And because it's all flash, no substance, even if he did do indie art films, they'd be the hollow kind without any point to make. He would probably see himself as David Lynch, but he'd be more apt to make a prettier version of The Room.

 

[Sparhawk]

I know that BvS is for Batman versus Superman, but the first thing through my mean each and every time... Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

 

[Shakey]

I always think of the LMS, but I'm guessing no one else here would recognize that.

 

[Bubble181]

Got some free cinema tickets that I have to use today (friend won them but couldn't get to the cinema before they expired). Girlfriend got to pick the movie. She wanted to go see BvS. I convinced her Deadpool would be the better superhero movie, so we're going to see that one instead.

I think I may have made a good call there