Capitulation means giving in without a fight. Fighting futilely close to 60 times and trying to shut down the government to oppose it is hardly giving in without a fight.
a Trump vs Clinton United States Presidential Election in 2016
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GasBandit
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They didn't fight to win. The repeal process required Obama's signature, and they knew he'd never sign it.
If a boxer punches the mat 58 times and then lies down for a count of 10, he can't be said to have put up a fight.
GasBandit
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All they had to do was defund it. But they were terrified for their own positions of power - and so they figured they could bluff their way through by approving the funding, but engaging in dozens of futile gestures so that they could tell their constituents "hey, we tried to repeal Obamacare 58 times."
If you intentionally do something you know won't work 58 times, you're either insane or a crook. Either way, Republicans suck.
This is certainly one way to get some media attention: Arrest Warrant Issued For Green Party Presidential Candidate Jill Stein
I'm so confused by the turn this Rorschach reference took. I mean, what he wasn't compromising on was punishing the guilty and spreading the truth.
Neither side that you refer to cares one whit about the truth, and they're all greedy, amoral power mongers.
He's not calling the Republican party Rorschach. Gas is Rorschach in this analogy.
Dave
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I think the question was poorly put. I mean, why not say Syria instead of Aleppo? I can totally see him thinking the guy said, "What would you do about a leppo?" and didn't know what the fuck a "leppo" was. I need to hear much more than the little snippet soundbyte before I'd take it seriously.[DOUBLEPOST=1473344116,1473343849][/DOUBLEPOST]The next part of the interview (once they said that Aleppo was a city in Syria):
So I'll give him 1/2 a pass on this one, but it was still bad.Johnson said:
Dave
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Did we just get our October surprise early? Mother Jones is reporting that Trump is guilty of Human Trafficking and the Senate might now be investigating.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration
Be aware that this is ALL UNCONFIRMED and only places like Mother Jones and Occupy Democrats are reporting this right now. They have documents on Occupy Democrats, but I don't trust ANY pictures I see any more because of Photoshop.
Stay tuned, folks. This one could be big.[DOUBLEPOST=1473357402,1473357209][/DOUBLEPOST]Reading the MJ story closer it seems that maybe Human Trafficking might be a tad strong. Not sure why they are throwing the term around. Certainly taking advantage of girls, but there wasn't any trafficking going on as we understand it, merely fleecing the shit out of these girls. Fraud would probably be a better way of describing this.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration
Be aware that this is ALL UNCONFIRMED and only places like Mother Jones and Occupy Democrats are reporting this right now. They have documents on Occupy Democrats, but I don't trust ANY pictures I see any more because of Photoshop.
Stay tuned, folks. This one could be big.[DOUBLEPOST=1473357402,1473357209][/DOUBLEPOST]Reading the MJ story closer it seems that maybe Human Trafficking might be a tad strong. Not sure why they are throwing the term around. Certainly taking advantage of girls, but there wasn't any trafficking going on as we understand it, merely fleecing the shit out of these girls. Fraud would probably be a better way of describing this.
Already seen it. Sleazy business practices, abuse, labor law violations....Yes, despicable, but it sadly won't be huge news - the article's a week old (I saw it back then and I thought I even linked it?) but won't be enough to break him.
Frankly, Americans seem to have come to accept so much immorality in their leaders that even the "slept with a 13 year old" rumors could be true and it wouldn't disqualify him.
Frankly, Americans seem to have come to accept so much immorality in their leaders that even the "slept with a 13 year old" rumors could be true and it wouldn't disqualify him.
Okay, you figured that part out.
But I think you're also wrong about these models being fleeced (anymore than they might normally be). Just because they were working in the US without the right permit. They were probably getting paid normal model pay.
And for the Canuck, getting paid in American dollars, and under the table, would be a windfall.
But I think you're also wrong about these models being fleeced (anymore than they might normally be). Just because they were working in the US without the right permit. They were probably getting paid normal model pay.
And for the Canuck, getting paid in American dollars, and under the table, would be a windfall.
Dave
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They weren't legally able to work in the US so at the very least he knowingly violated immigration laws. But yeah, the reports I saw were trying to make this into something it's not. One of the women suing him worked there for 3 years. She wasn't a prisoner. She just thought she was paying her dues to become a model. And they were being fleeced. They weren't getting paid shit. They were treated like indentured servants, but they weren't slaves or anything like that.
Millions of americans travel to other countries on tourist visas and do work every year. While obeying a country's laws regarding work and visa permits is commendable, I'm not sure that this is the explosive expose that Mother Jones and others think it is.
Besides which, it would be fairly easy for Trump to let it roll off his back by suggesting that he created the agency and invested in it but let others run it and he had no personal knowledge of any shady practises. Clinton has certainly dodged a lot of flak simply by suggesting that she was never aware of any impropriety.
That said, it still speaks somewhat towards his hypocrisy.
Besides which, it would be fairly easy for Trump to let it roll off his back by suggesting that he created the agency and invested in it but let others run it and he had no personal knowledge of any shady practises. Clinton has certainly dodged a lot of flak simply by suggesting that she was never aware of any impropriety.
That said, it still speaks somewhat towards his hypocrisy.
The correct reference is that he could shoot someone on Fifth Ave.
Apparently Johnson isn't the only one confused about Aleppo:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...eppo_story_inception_but_for_corrections.html
The Times corrected the article about Johnson's gaffe four times, calling Aleppo, at different revisions, "The defacto capital of IS", "An ISIS stronghold", and "Wartorn capital", none of which were true.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...eppo_story_inception_but_for_corrections.html
The Times corrected the article about Johnson's gaffe four times, calling Aleppo, at different revisions, "The defacto capital of IS", "An ISIS stronghold", and "Wartorn capital", none of which were true.
Well you see, the Times was using Jerry O'Connell as their special guest celebrity correspondent.
Trump is the kind of uncultured swine who could never appreciate Dino de Laurentis's ahead-of-his-time vision of having King Kong climb the Twin Towers in the terrible 1970s remake.
I agree that they didn't become a symbol until 9/11 but just calling them business building is wholly inaccurate. They were as much as signature of he NY skyline as the Empire State Building and the Chrysler Building. You can watch tv and movies that often used them for establishing shots, nothing else needed. There was nothing downtown that came even close to looking like them. They had site-seeing tours of the building. NYC isn't short on "business buildings" and ironically, most people probably couldn't pick Trump Tower out of a line-up (or just walk past it), but saying they were just another building is bullshit.
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They were an engineering marvel of their time.
Skyscrapers were usually built like stacked boxes, where each floor was built to have to support the ones above (Empire State, Rockefeller Ctr).
The WTC was revolutionary in that the exterior skin of the building held the majority of the weight, i.e. it was built with an exoskeleton rather than an endoskeleton. This let them have these huge wide-open floorplans not possible with traditional construction. Heck, it was probably part of the reason the 1993 bombing didn't bring it down since that targeted more of the core of the building rather than the outer wall.
So saying, "Eh, they weren't that special" is arguably total bullshit.
--Patrick
Dave
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Okay, let me rephrase. To most people outside of New York City they were just buildings. Recognizable, sure, but just buildings. I couldn't have given two shits out them before 9/11 and I knew people who worked there. (No, I don't know if they were victims or not. My company did first level tech/monitoring for several companies therein and I can only surmise that some of the people I spoke with died that day.)
Now, though, they are a symbol.
Now, though, they are a symbol.
Dave hates New York, architecture, and New York architecture.
Let's also remember that before they were famous for falling down, they were famous since 1970 just for going up, since WTC1 was the tallest building in the world from its completion until the Sears Tower surpassed it in 1973, so they were a symbol of American Architecture for a long time before they became "just buildings."
--Patrick
Donald Trump, American Hero 
Dave
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And then there's this. Holy shit.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ical-episode-at-911-ceremony-source-says.html
I've seen some videos. She couldn't walk. Maybe there is more to her health issues than I've given credence to. Until this point I've just chalked it up to conspiracy theories.
Wonder if we can get Bernie back or if we're stuck with what's-his-name?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ical-episode-at-911-ceremony-source-says.html
I've seen some videos. She couldn't walk. Maybe there is more to her health issues than I've given credence to. Until this point I've just chalked it up to conspiracy theories.
Wonder if we can get Bernie back or if we're stuck with what's-his-name?
Tim Kaine would probably be a perfectly okay president
Dave
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Very milky toast.
GasBandit
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Could do worse. Probably will.
My understanding, from reading an article discussing the hypothetical situation of Trump dropping out, is that the party would select a new nominee, it wouldn't just default to Kaine. However, at this point, we're already past the deadlines for putting a new name on the ballot in most states, so they'd be dependent on the courts throwing out the deadline for them.
Her doctor has said her cough was allergies, but she's developed pneumonia since Friday. Which is still a far cry less than the -5- heart attacks that Dick Chaney had before he became secret closet president.
GasBandit
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Link is really really really broken.