a Trump vs Clinton United States Presidential Election in 2016

Who do you vote into the office of USA President?

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Null

Null

And the hits just keep on coming:

Trump supporters leave sign with swastika on it in media area at campaign stop: http://latest.com/2016/10/see-it-tr...ce=Facebook&utm_medium=ta&utm_campaign=iwvo12

Trump defends himself against allegations of sexually assaulting PEOPLE magazine staffer Natasha Stoynoff because, and this is a direct quote: "look at her" - implying she wasn't attractive enough for him to assault.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/13/13272920/trump-sexual-assault-natasha-stoynoff
 
Gruebeard

Gruebeard

That second part.

In praising the strength of a woman at his rally who fainted and then returned to listen, he contrasted that action with the increased concussion conciousness of tbe NFL.
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

Null said:
And Trump has finally gone full Nazi, blaming a conspiracy of "international bankers" who back Hillary in order to "destroy America" for his stalling campaign.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/...Trump-Blames-The-Jews-For-His-Failed-Campaign
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I have to say, though: he blames international banking. Saying that's "the Jews" is, in itself, racist - equating "international banking" with "the Jews". Claiming a few super-rich are controlling the media, politics, and the world, is pretty much what occupy Wall Street was saying too. While Trump is obviously one of the worst-placed people in the world to talk about this, he seems to pretty much just repeat that anti-establishment, anti-megacorp, anti-multinational-finance sentiment - one that a lot of people agree with. I understand interpreting it otherwise, but...That's a lot of spin to put on a story.

And I'm saying that as someone who considers Trump needs to face criminal charges over a host of issues, mind you.
 
Necronic

Necronic

Staff member
So the other shoe has officially dropped.

Gloria Allred is representing a former contestant on The Apprentice who said Donald Trump groped her. Here's what this means:

1) Gloria Allred doesn't fuck around and wouldn't do this lightly

2) Apprentice tapes will probably be entered into discovery amd will be made public (although this will likely happen after the election)
 
strawman

strawman

Necronic said:
So the other shoe has officially dropped.

Gloria Allred is representing a former contestant on The Apprentice who said Donald Trump groped her. Here's what this means:

1) Gloria Allred doesn't fuck around and wouldn't do this lightly

2) Apprentice tapes will probably be entered into discovery amd will be made public (although this will likely happen after the election)
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Well, this isn't a criminal case, it's just a civil case (only the state can pursue criminal cases, not private lawyers like Allred), and it's very likely that a very, very strong contract was signed by her client that disclaims liability for Trump or the studio.

As such, this seems like little more than a way to hurt Trump in the polls, I would be very surprised if they were able to show the contract is invalid without a criminal judgement already made.[DOUBLEPOST=1476471655,1476471604][/DOUBLEPOST]Of course, she may be hoping for some quick hush money as well.
 
Adam

Adam

Yeah, I wouldn't look to Gloria Allred as much more than a celebrity lawyer. One too many crazy-ass press confrences to her name.
 
Necronic

Necronic

Staff member
Ah, looks like she's not looking to file suit. Allred is there presumably as a defensive measure in case Trump tries to sue her for defamation, which is clearly a real possibility.
 
Null

Null

Bubble181 said:
I have to say, though: he blames international banking. Saying that's "the Jews" is, in itself, racist - equating "international banking" with "the Jews". Claiming a few super-rich are controlling the media, politics, and the world, is pretty much what occupy Wall Street was saying too. While Trump is obviously one of the worst-placed people in the world to talk about this, he seems to pretty much just repeat that anti-establishment, anti-megacorp, anti-multinational-finance sentiment - one that a lot of people agree with. I understand interpreting it otherwise, but...That's a lot of spin to put on a story.

And I'm saying that as someone who considers Trump needs to face criminal charges over a host of issues, mind you.
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Given that most anti-semetic diatribes rail about the "international bankers conspiracy", and given Dolan's penchant for retweeting Neo-Nazis, no, I don't think that's too far of a stretch.
 
Denbrought

Denbrought

Necronic said:
[DOUBLEPOST=1476472592,1476472435][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, unrelated, could someone here please explain how this is at all defensible or even legal?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ll-your-neighbors-if-you-vote-democratic.html
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(Taking a wild guess here) They might be weasel-wording by conflating "registered as Democrat" with "voted Democrat", which are overlapping groups. One is often public record, the other isn't.

For example, here is a website where you can the party states of people living in SC, as well as their address.
 
Frank

Frank

IronBrig4 said:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-the-trump-die-hards/504032/?utm_source=atlfb

I wonder what Trump's hardcore supporters will do with themselves if/when he loses. Will they quietly go back home? Go deeper into the world of conspiracy theories? Occupy a federal building and forget to bring snacks?
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That's a pretty good article and it's spot on. No matter how this election turns out, it has fucking devastated the culture of the US for a long time to come.
 
strawman

strawman

Necronic said:
I don't think you can make someone sign a waiver to allow sexual harassment.[DOUBLEPOST=1476472592,1476472435][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, unrelated, could someone here please explain how this is at all defensible or even legal?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ll-your-neighbors-if-you-vote-democratic.html
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You can't sign away criminal liability, only civil liability. Unless there is enough evidence to convict criminally, then civil court can't do much.

However there's a small gap between civil and criminal court due to the different requirements for evidence. For instance the OJ Simpson trial failed to convict but a subsequent civil court found the evidence was enough to win a civil case.

If she doesn't have enough evidence for a criminal case "beyond reasonable doubt" then she might have enough evidence for a civil case "preponderance of evidence" and they might be able to show that the contract was violated first on the other side making it unable to block terms that would prevent a civil case from proceeding.

It'd be an expensive long shot though.

Regarding the mailer, it may not be illegal, but determining whether something presents a real threat and is thus legal intimidation can be subjective. What might pass one court in one area or state might not pass muster with another court or state, and often these things end up doing to little too late, and end up as fines toward cash emptied campaigns when they do complete in the courts.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

Null said:
Given that most anti-semetic diatribes rail about the "international bankers conspiracy", and given Dolan's penchant for retweeting Neo-Nazis, no, I don't think that's too far of a stretch.
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Exactly. In US politics, conspiracies about "international banks" code very, very anti-semitic. And to be clear, while Trump seems to prefer retweeting memes from neo-nazis and white power movements, we also see a lot of anti-semitic language crop up on the left at the fringes of the anti-globalization and anti-Zionist movements.
 
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