a Trump vs Clinton United States Presidential Election in 2016

Who do you vote into the office of USA President?


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Oh hey. Hillary's got @Jebus on her side.[DOUBLEPOST=1476996774,1476996634][/DOUBLEPOST]
I just read something kind of chilling. You know how Trump is reacting to the idea of losing by claiming the system is rigged? It's dangerous, sure, and if he loses there will be some issues but we'll pull through.

But what if he wins? What does the 2020 election look like if he is president. What does he do when he is commander in chief and may lose?

That is an incredibly frightening thought.
Your generals will not back an actual tyrant.

That is one thing I think you can rely on.
 
I just read something kind of chilling. You know how Trump is reacting to the idea of losing by claiming the system is rigged? It's dangerous, sure, and if he loses there will be some issues but we'll pull through.

But what if he wins? What does the 2020 election look like if he is president. What does he do when he is commander in chief and may lose?

That is an incredibly frightening thought.
While still claiming the possibility for error, Nate Silver says it is pretty much decided now. We are just about through all of this mess.
 
I've said over and over and over again, neither candidate would stand a chance if not for the fact they were facing each other. No matter who gets elected this year, we deserve it. We abdicated our civic responsibilities in favor of free stuff and reality TV.
See, I'm not so sure. I mean, if it were other people it wouldn't be this big a shit-show, sure, but looking at all the candidates who ran this year it was a sort of ugly pig contest. Where I do agree though is this is our fault.
 

GasBandit

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See, I'm not so sure. I mean, if it were other people it wouldn't be this big a shit-show, sure, but looking at all the candidates who ran this year it was a sort of ugly pig contest. Where I do agree though is this is our fault.
I think Clinton v Cruz would have been very different, and much more difficult for Clinton.
I think Sanders v Trump would have been a landslide because Bernie has the same "tells it like it is" credibility without all the horrifying assholishness.
 
I think Clinton v Cruz would have been very different, and much more difficult for Clinton.
I think Sanders v Trump would have been a landslide because Bernie has the same "tells it like it is" credibility without all the horrifying assholishness.
I'm not sure about the Clinton Vs. Cruz scenario. People rallied around Trump because they were tired of the weak, do nothing mainstream Republican scene and that's exactly the kind of guy Ted Cruz is. Kasich vs Clinton probably would have been a closer race, as he'd mostly stayed out of the limelight, didn't do anything embarrassing, and would have almost certainly pulled in the key swing-state of Ohio.

Sanders Vs. Trump would have been over months ago.
 

Necronic

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The democrats shot themselves in the foot by limiting the choices so profoundly. They'll still win, but only because they're racing against a stationary object.

Edit: I'm changing my analogy. The democrats walked to the starting line and then shot themselves in the foot. The republicans walked uphoping the explosion would get a few body parts across the finish line.
 
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I'm not sure about the Clinton Vs. Cruz scenario. People rallied around Trump because they were tired of the weak, do nothing mainstream Republican scene and that's exactly the kind of guy Ted Cruz is. Kasich vs Clinton probably would have been a closer race, as he'd mostly stayed out of the limelight, didn't do anything embarrassing, and would have almost certainly pulled in the key swing-state of Ohio.

Sanders Vs. Trump would have been over months ago.
Any Republican but Trump would be stiff competition for Hillary . . . right up until they chose Sarah Palin as running mate.
 

GasBandit

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I'm not sure about the Clinton Vs. Cruz scenario. People rallied around Trump because they were tired of the weak, do nothing mainstream Republican scene and that's exactly the kind of guy Ted Cruz is.
That's not the perception at all. Ted Cruz has the reputation of fighting his own party for their own lack of spine as much as the democrats. His filibusters and government shutdowns have actually boosted his cred among redstaters greatly.
 
And any Republican but Trump would probably trounce Sanders as the American center moved away from him, even if it meant Sarah Palin as veep.
 
That's not the perception at all. Ted Cruz has the reputation of fighting his own party for their own lack of spine as much as the democrats. His filibusters and government shutdowns have actually boosted his cred among redstaters greatly.
Are we talking about the Ted Cruz that stumped for Trump after Donald directly insulted his family?
 
I think Clinton v Cruz would have been very different, and much more difficult for Clinton.
I think Sanders v Trump would have been a landslide because Bernie has the same "tells it like it is" credibility without all the horrifying assholishness.
I don't disagree it would be much closer. I just don't think either party had a serious candidate other than Hillary (sorry guys, I like Bernie too, but he's too far left for a race at the highest office). This election cycle has been very sad, and I'm terrified at what we have to look forward to 4 years from now. I don't think it will get better, but worse.
 

GasBandit

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Are we talking about the Ted Cruz that stumped for Trump after Donald directly insulted his family?
Which never would have come about if Donald had not been the nominee, though. Prior to that, Cruz had a reputation as a maverick republican that the republican voters wished all republicans were more like.
 
Bernie Sanders started off with 3% name recognition at the national level. He gave Hillary a fight and the popularity of his positions and the issues he addressed shifted Hillary's positions on some of those issues. He got a lot of young people engaged in the election. So, even though he didn't have enough support to win the party's nomination, he still made progress for his causes and I think he will remain, like Elizabeth Warren, a potent voice in the Senate.
 

GasBandit

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I don't disagree it would be much closer. I just don't think either party had a serious candidate other than Hillary (sorry guys, I like Bernie too, but he's too far left for a race at the highest office). This election cycle has been very sad, and I'm terrified at what we have to look forward to 4 years from now. I don't think it will get better, but worse.
Hillary isn't a "serious candidate" either. Her entire political career was based on her husband's coattails and payoffs from the DNC for not divorcing Bill, and then later because they bumped her for Obama. There has not been a more trumped-up (no pun intended) elected official in my lifetime than Hillary Clinton.
 
Which never would have come about if Donald had not been the nominee, though. Prior to that, Cruz had a reputation as a maverick republican that the republican voters wished all republicans were more like.
Did they, though? If they did, why did they vote for the psychopathic cheetoh instead of him? There's also Cruz having negative charisma - look at how frequently he was described as 'creepy'.
 

GasBandit

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Did they, though? If they did, why did they vote for the psychopathic cheetoh instead of him? There's also Cruz having negative charisma - look at how frequently he was described as 'creepy'.
Because Donald Trump is even more grenade-ey. Cruz might shut the government down, but Trump would burn it to the ground... and that has its own appeal to many people.
 
Hillary isn't a "serious candidate" either. Her entire political career was based on her husband's coattails and payoffs from the DNC for not divorcing Bill, and then later because they bumped her for Obama. There has not been a more trumped-up (no pun intended) elected official in my lifetime than Hillary Clinton.
I don't like her, but can't deny she is a skilled politician. I'm surprised to see you dismiss her so easily.
 
I think it's fair to say that Cruz would be more palatable to moderates, and that he would be less prone to shooting himself in the foot than Donald, but I also think he would have the anti-charisma of John Kerry without the relevant experience or influence. I think that at this point, Cruz would be doing better in the polls than Donald Trump, but I also do not think he would win.
 
Bernie Sanders started off with 3% name recognition at the national level. He gave Hillary a fight and the popularity of his positions and the issues he addressed shifted Hillary's positions on some of those issues. He got a lot of young people engaged in the election. So, even though he didn't have enough support to win the party's nomination, he still made progress for his causes and I think he will remain, like Elizabeth Warren, a potent voice in the Senate.
If the Democrats take the Senate, Bernie gets the big chair on the Senate Budget Committee, as well as the big chair for Subcommittee on Primary Health and Aging. He's going to do fine.
 

GasBandit

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I don't like her, but can't deny she is a skilled politician. I'm surprised to see you dismiss her so easily.
She's adept at political maneuvering (lying, covering her ass, peddling influence), but not at being electable. The only reason she became a senator for New York (a curious thing for a long time resident of Arkansas) was because the DNC put her on the ballot (as payoff, as I said earlier) against a no-name republican brought in to try to fill Guiliani's shoes when he bailed. And what was NY going to do, vote republican? Well, even then, a lot of them actually did - she only won 55-43 against Lazio. 43% of New Yorkers actually voted republican. It was a 12% margin, whereas Gore won NY with a 25% margin over Bush on the Presidential ticket - which means even a surprising number of Gore voters were voting against Hillary.

Her senate seat was supposed to be her springboard to the Presidency, but Obama threw a wrench in that (and remember, the D primaries' outcomes have nothing to do with popular vote). Her consolation prize to keep her from revolting was her Secretary of State appointment, to further feather her cap for her post-Obama ascension.

The only thing she's good at in politics are all the things people hate about politicians. She's absolute poison for the country.

Just arguably not as much so as Trump.
 
She was re-elected. It's not like New York was like "fine, we'll take her just until she becomes President, but that's it!"
 
She was re-elected. It's not like New York was like "fine, we'll take her just until she becomes President, but that's it!"
We weren't happy about her presence at first because people didn't feel she represented the state of New York. I don't remember the re-election period, but I remember the sentiment upon her initial election was extremely reluctant.[DOUBLEPOST=1477001689,1477001359][/DOUBLEPOST]
That ratio doesn't surprise me. Outside the city a lot of people in NY go red.
I grew up in the red zone and know these people. They like to pretend they live in Texas, and by that I mean the TV stereotypical version of Texas.
 
We weren't happy about her presence at first because people didn't feel she represented the state of New York. I don't remember the re-election period, but I remember the sentiment upon her initial election was extremely reluctant.[DOUBLEPOST=1477001689,1477001359][/DOUBLEPOST]

I grew up in the red zone and know these people. They like to pretend they live in Texas, and by that I mean the TV stereotypical version of Texas.
My family lives in Western NY, and my aunts practically worship Trump. -_-
 
We weren't happy about her presence at first because people didn't feel she represented the state of New York. I don't remember the re-election period, but I remember the sentiment upon her initial election was extremely reluctant.[DOUBLEPOST=1477001689,1477001359][/DOUBLEPOST]

I grew up in the red zone and know these people. They like to pretend they live in Texas, and by that I mean the TV stereotypical version of Texas.
Yeah, there was the whole carpetbagger thing in her first campaign. By the time she ran for re-election, people had warmed considerably to her, as her 67-31 victory indicates.
 
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My family lives in Western NY, and my aunts practically worship Trump. -_-
I do too, and I have seen very little support for trump. Then I drove through north tonawanda and niagara falls* today and that changed.

*Lower class+generally white suburbs
 
later because they bumped her for Obama.
I'm still glad they settled the question for me. There was never any doubt that the Punnett square would have "white male" at the top and "black female" at the bottom, but there was always doubt how voters would rank "white female" v. "black male" and we actually had a situation come up where we got our answer.

--Patrick
 
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