a Trump vs Clinton United States Presidential Election in 2016

Who do you vote into the office of USA President?


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Trump is now accusing Hillary Clinton of "Pay For Play" in Morocco. The King of Morocco donated $12 million dollars to the Clinton Foundation, and wanted Hillary to attend the summit for the Clinton Global Initiative in Morocco. Trump is insisting this is a case of abusing her government position and pay-for-play corruption.

2 major problems with that.

1. Hillary didn't attend the summit in May 2015, so even if it was an attempt at buying influence, the payor didn't get the personal appearance he requested (hence no peddling favors).

2. It can't be pay for play / government corruption, because at the time it was arranged, November 2014, she had been out of office for 2 years. She literally did not hold a government position at the time, and as one of the founders of the Clinton Foundation, there is nothing inappropriate about her accepting a donation for it as part of extending its humanitarian efforts in Morocco.
 
2. It can't be pay for play / government corruption, because at the time it was arranged, November 2014, she had been out of office for 2 years. She literally did not hold a government position at the time, and as one of the founders of the Clinton Foundation, there is nothing inappropriate about her accepting a donation for it as part of extending its humanitarian efforts in Morocco.
It sure can be. Trump's not in office, never has been, yet Putin's bought him.
 
If what I'm hearing is right, there's a possibility of states like Texas and Arizona being swing states this election. That just feels so weird to me.

What color does the state become if a 3rd party gets it? Because Utah's doing its own thing this election, it sounds like.
 
If what I'm hearing is right, there's a possibility of states like Texas and Arizona being swing states this election. That just feels so weird to me.

What color does the state become if a 3rd party gets it? Because Utah's doing its own thing this election, it sounds like.
FiveThirtyEight has assigned Johnson yellow, Stein green (duh), and McMullin purple.
 
FiveThirtyEight has assigned Johnson yellow, Stein green (duh), and McMullin purple.
It depends on how sympathetic the media are towards the party. When a nationalit party came to prominence here a few years ago, media gave them Nazi-brown. When another right wing party came alon,g black. The communists, on the other hand, got baby pink, saft and safe. Don't think colors don't hold meaning :p
 

GasBandit

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It depends on how sympathetic the media are towards the party. When a nationalit party came to prominence here a few years ago, media gave them Nazi-brown. When another right wing party came alon,g black. The communists, on the other hand, got baby pink, saft and safe. Don't think colors don't hold meaning :p
The united states actually wasn't standardized until the 2000 election... previous to that, every station did its own thing. Though many of them used red and blue (in keeping with our flag color scheme), not everybody gave republicans red and democrats blue. Then the 2000 election happened, and the Today show (of all things) started talking about "red states" and "blue states" on their particular map, and for some reason, it stuck and spread to everybody else. It was a RL meme that hasn't died yet.
 
Out of curiosity, I looked up where the donkey and elephant came from for Dems and Republicans.

Andrew Jackson took an insult and co-opted it as the Democrat symbol? Aaand they still stick with that? A symbol adopted by fuckin Jackson? Yeesh.

EDIT: Never mind, it's what people apply to Democrats, but it's not official.
 
The united states actually wasn't standardized until the 2000 election... previous to that, every station did its own thing. Though many of them used red and blue (in keeping with our flag color scheme), not everybody gave republicans red and democrats blue. Then the 2000 election happened, and the Today show (of all things) started talking about "red states" and "blue states" on their particular map, and for some reason, it stuck and spread to everybody else. It was a RL meme that hasn't died yet.
And that annoys me, since your rightwing party is red, the color of our Liberals, while the Dems get our right wing party's color. It often takes me time to process that difference when looking at American electoral maps.

Our media uses the color the parties chose for themsleves long ago. Or so it seems like each party will choose a new color . . . I don't know if the Reform or Bloc Quebecois actually did.
 
The united states actually wasn't standardized until the 2000 election... previous to that, every station did its own thing. Though many of them used red and blue (in keeping with our flag color scheme), not everybody gave republicans red and democrats blue.
This bites me so often, because growing up, it was the Democrats who were red, not the Republicans.

--Patrick
 
And that annoys me, since your rightwing party is red, the color of our Liberals, while the Dems get our right wing party's color. It often takes me time to process that difference when looking at American electoral maps.

Our media uses the color the parties chose for themsleves long ago. Or so it seems like each party will choose a new color . . . I don't know if the Reform or Bloc Quebecois actually did.
Ditto, blue for the right-wing dictatorship heirs, red for the socialist cronies.
 
But what are their animal representations? Are they real animals or do any of them get cool stuff like in Harry Potter? What is Karl Marx's patronus?
 
Well, ever since that one time when John A MacDonald brought his moose to the orgy . . .


. . . it was a dark time in our history, better left unspoken and unrepeated.
 
Our political parties in Taiwan are colored blue and green. There are also minor parties who assigned color schemes to themselves, such as yellow, purple, and orange.

No one wants to use red, for obvious reasons.
 
And SNL continues to be on-point then, media bias being presented as "by taking everything that I say and everything that I do, and putting them on TV."

I don't see any kind of revolution happening after this, but I could see a couple of Wacos.

The Republican party realizes they fucked up in creating this culture that sees ignorance as righteousness, but do they have any ideas on how to repair the damage they've caused?
 
And SNL continues to be on-point then, media bias being presented as "by taking everything that I say and everything that I do, and putting them on TV."

I don't see any kind of revolution happening after this, but I could see a couple of Wacos.

The Republican party realizes they fucked up in creating this culture that sees ignorance as righteousness, but do they have any ideas on how to repair the damage they've caused?
The US government is actively afraid of militias... not because they are a serious threat to the continued existence of the United Stated even collectively, but because taking them down is sure to cause a series of high profile, high casualty incidents that they can do basically nothing to stop until after they've started. It's one of the reasons why the white supremacy movement is able to operate so openly... with the other being, of course, that some members of the government support that cause and do what they can to shield them from harm.
 
I sent in my absentee ballot. First time I've ever voted and I'm glad I did. Though ironically, while I voted democrat in the national positions, I actually voted for a few republicans in the local ones. Local elections are weird.
 

Dave

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Since I've been able to vote nationally I've voted republican 3 times and democrat 5 times. It would have been 4 & 4 had McCain not had Palin as his VP. He had my vote until that.

Locally I'm all over the place.
 
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