"So guys... I think it's time we had an intervention with America."
a Trump vs Clinton United States Presidential Election in 2016
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I'd worry that would lead to a sort of For-Profit Prisons, Junior Edition.
That is, one where people would be held back for additional (expensive) "help."
--Patrick
We sort of have those already.
Whoohoo! POWER! POWER!
*cough*
I don't think completely privatizing education will work, or is in any way a good idea. On the other hand, it's near-impossible to keep decent levels throughout a nation-wide system without good oversight. Third, certainly in the US, forcing too much things can often have unfortunate results - see "Texas school books" .
For comparison, in Belgium, there are two systems. On the one hand, government-run schools (village, city, province, federal, all have their own school networks but they're all more or less the same). On the other hand, "free" schools (not "free" as in "for no money" but as in "freedom"), which are private. Most of those are Catholic and form their own network, though there are a number of Steiner school,s Muslim schools, protestant schools and
The government lists a set of "end terms" pupils need to have mastered every year, which....well, it's about 80% of the curriculum, at a quick guess, and includes factual information (history, math, language levels, blah), skills, values and "attitudes". The first are tested, the other two observed by inspection. Not that you can really check for "civic duty" or "openmindedness" - let alone that schools succeed in teaching those values - but it gives them a way to shut down schools that are too stupid to hide their brainwashing properly.
It seems to sort of work, though there's constant tension between the two, and it is a system open to abuse just as much as yours is. Still, since all government schools cost the same for parents (books, clothes, and food), and the maximum "extra" free schools can ask is fairly limited (I think it's somewhere around €800/year right now? Not entirely sure), there isn't as much of a difference in quality between schools - though there still is one, inner city ghetto schools where half the students come in barely speaking the language can't exactly keep up, and people tend to be able to pick the school they want in most regions. In areas where there are bigger differences in quality (mainly, Brussels, and the difference has more to do with the French vs Dutch schools - while the French community invests far more per student the return is much worse), you do get issues like parents camping out in front of the school for days when registration opens to "get in". Which benefits parents who have a job where they can take a few days off etc etc.
*shrug* There's no perfect system.
Man, all that power and nothing useful to do with it.
This bird I'm pardoning today, it's a great bird. It's a huge bird, it's the best bird. But have you seen Ivanka? Now that's a bird! The greatest.I'm just gonna leave this here. Could you ever picture teh Donald trotting out the Dad jokes?
And here we were arguing about Bush's ill effect on education. The solution was so obvious--no education!
It was a bi-partisan bill, and a true form of compromise.
Dave
Staff member
Wait. So the new Secretary of Education is against making kids go to school and for getting rid of the child labor laws to allow kids to work in mines? Uh...
http://blog.acton.org/archives/89837-bring-back-child-labor-work-is-a-gift-our-kids-can-handle.html
Okay, so it's not written or endorsed by her, but it is on her Action Institute site.
That's kind of amazing. But what the hell. Billionaires always have our best interests at heart.
http://blog.acton.org/archives/89837-bring-back-child-labor-work-is-a-gift-our-kids-can-handle.html
Okay, so it's not written or endorsed by her, but it is on her Action Institute site.
That's kind of amazing. But what the hell. Billionaires always have our best interests at heart.
Did you read it? I don't agree with it entirely, but there are some good points, and it's not that radical. At all.
You know, i was wondering with what they planed on replacing all the illegal immigrant labour with... guess now i know.[DOUBLEPOST=1480039548,1480038968][/DOUBLEPOST]
Yeah, making school attendance no longer compulsory so kids can work at Walmart is just something we can all agree on.
Literally not what he said.
Technically, you're right, he just literally agreed with a quote that said that... good catch.
But hey, he edited to say he doesn't want to abolish compulsory ed. up to middle-school, good for him.
I don't know which side it favours, but I was listening to some electoral statisticians being interviewed after the election, and up until electronic voting; exit polls very very very accurately matched the actual election results. Since the implementation of electronic voting machines and the lack of physical ballots they are way way way off.
I want to throw "source?" at almost everything Trump tweets.
Since all Trump does is project, this is all but confirmation that the calls for recounts in some states are probably legit.
There is only one oracle that sprouts his facts, his ass.
Zappit
Staff member
Those polls were not as off as they turned out; I've had a feeling in my gut since that night that something was seriously off. I think many of those secret Trump voters were preprogrammed into those damned machines. The way Trump is bitching about the recount makes me think there's something serious they might uncover.
Time to drop the electronic voting machines. Just go straight paper.
Time to drop the electronic voting machines. Just go straight paper.
I think we've been dodging paper since the 2000 debacle.
Trump's bitching about this kills one rumor, that he didn't actually want to win.
He won and he's accusing the other side of fraud.
figmentPez
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This could be about fraud, or Trump could just be pissed that people who aren't landowners are allowed a say in the political process.
Since all Trump does is project, this is all but confirmation that the calls for recounts in some states are probably legit.
So, the Trump Train is looking to add disgraced General David Patraeus to its Legion of Supervillains. So in addition to having a National Security Advisor in the pay of other nations, we'll have a staff member who got busted for giving 200 classified documents to his mistress, who published some of them in her book about him.
I mean, it's not like there was a months long witch hunt over someone potentially mishandling classified information that become a cornerstone of the campaign or anything. In this case, Patraeus didn't potentially mishandle classified information, he outright fucking did it, was convicted, and was given a one-year suspended sentence. But I guess that's okay in Trumpistan, right?
I mean, it's not like there was a months long witch hunt over someone potentially mishandling classified information that become a cornerstone of the campaign or anything. In this case, Patraeus didn't potentially mishandle classified information, he outright fucking did it, was convicted, and was given a one-year suspended sentence. But I guess that's okay in Trumpistan, right?
That wasn't paper. It was classic computing. With punch cards.
Y'all should go to paper, where you mark an X next to your choice and a human counts up the votes. Get Jeff Probst to do it.
Necronic
Staff member
The Patreus thing is just baffling, until you remember that Trump has little to no clue what he's doing and many of his supporters are incredibly ignorant and easy to bamboozle.
Funny thing is I am kind of happy to see his name on there. There's a lot of reasons he shouldn't even have a shot, but of the people Trump has tapped he strikes me as one of the more competent ones. Which is of course quite ironic.
Funny thing is I am kind of happy to see his name on there. There's a lot of reasons he shouldn't even have a shot, but of the people Trump has tapped he strikes me as one of the more competent ones. Which is of course quite ironic.
Oh c'mon, you guys survived Bush, and Cheney was actually competent at being evil.
Dave
Staff member
They also had restrictions. Trump has none because he doesn't give a shit and his base will allow him to do anything.
And the GOP is more than happy to use this to push through insanity.
Well this is what happens when you expand executive power with out any regard to who might come next.
GasBandit
Staff member
As I have been saying for years.
