He didn't say it was OK, he said it's also illegal but nobody has done anything about it.
I'm not saying I agree, I'm not informed enough to give an opinion, I'm just acting as Pat interpreter. It's not hard, just take what he says at face value
[Movies] The DC Cinematic Universe - The David Zazlav Dumpster Fire.
I'm not saying I agree, I'm not informed enough to give an opinion, I'm just acting as Pat interpreter. It's not hard, just take what he says at face value
Sara asked "okay for Hooters, but not for Alamo?" and Pat answered "Yes, of course," so that looked to be in answer to her whole question.
Two and a half hours to go.
Hooters has been able to maintain it's hiring practices by a combination of strategic settlements, compromise by adding additional staffing positions that men are eligible for, and arguing that their requirement for servers to be attractive women meets the bona fide occupational qualification exception as specified by Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. (Business Insider)
Incidentally, one of the challengers of the Alamo Drafthouse showings is Stephen Clark, a professor at Albany Law School, and an expert on anti-discrimination law. He compares the issue to those faced by gay bars:
“I’m a gay man, and I’ve studied and taught gay rights for years. Our gay bars have long said that you do not exclude people because they’re gay or straight or transgender — you just can’t do that for any reason. We have to deal with the bachelorette parties that come to the gay bar. They’re terribly disruptive, but if you forbid women from coming to a gay bar, you’re starting down a slippery slope. It’s discrimination.”
Beyond the civil rights issue, the Austin City code bans places of public accommodation from discriminating on the basis of gender which includes a restriction on advertisements promoting such discriminatory events or intentions. Movie theaters are specifically listed under the statute.
That sounds like a ringing endorsement. I hope my schedule and the weather will hold so I can see it tomorrow. (This will be the first DCEU movie that I've gone to the theater for since Man of Steel.)I have seen Wonder Woman.
Someone fetch me my Underoos!
Nah, it was more a statement of how obviously obvious it is in its obviousness.
Funny you should ask.
EDIT: Ah, looks like @evilmike has already spoken to that.
--Patrick
In that case, since they've announced it as a women's only screening with the express intent of its being a screening where women can watch the movie without concern of male presence, having only female staff for the event would fall into qualification for that event. Otherwise, it's false advertising.[DOUBLEPOST=1496500219,1496500047][/DOUBLEPOST]
That may be your intent, but I explained to you how it comes across because you often seem to struggle with these things, like adding words to prove your sincerity that make you come across as sarcastic sometimes. What you do with that information is your decision.
This is why Zero Tolerance policies need to die in a fire.
And to get back on topic, I'm really happy the reviews are coming in positive. I'm looking forward to seeing this and I hope Aquaman is good, too, because Wonder Woman and Aquaman saving the DC movie-verse would be freaking awesome! And it gives me hope for Shazam and Black Adam!
That would be hilarious, but it also shows that the problem currently rests entirely with Zach Snyder. I'm not much of a DC fan, never have been, but I would have enjoyed some good Superman movies if they weren't shit. I think that it's entirely his "vision" and directing destroying the quality.I'm looking forward to seeing this and I hope Aquaman is good, too, because Wonder Woman and Aquaman saving the DC movie-verse would be freaking awesome! And it gives me hope for Shazam and Black Adam!
Wonder Woman is not only the DCEU's first good movie, it's its first great movie ... which also makes it DCEU's only good movie. 
Straightforwardly just tells a story, enjoyable leads, lovable secondary characters, plenty of memorable scenes. Every piece of this was solid.
To put it in MCU terms, it's the Captain America positivity and goodness, the Thor fish out of water, and also takes a page from my favorite scene in Iron Man.
Spoilers for my favorite sequence in Wonder Woman also, though.
I like that Steve Trevor noticed little things when he was on Themyscira and applied them later in the movie. It was also nice seeing Diana discover what she could do, considering the outside is really a new world for her.
Movie also deftly dodges the late second act slump that a lot of movies get their wheels stuck in. I was expecting it to just happen and had accepted it, but then, nope, movie keeps going instead.
I don't want to get into the details of the climax, so briefly ...
There's a lot more, I could honestly go on and on with most of the scenes. Just loved the hell out of this movie. I still don't have any lofty expectations for Justice League--I hope Whedon can pull off a surprise in the editing room, especially since he was apparently on-set for the movie's reshoots, has been involved for a couple months in fact--but not expecting it.
Eh, whatever, I'll give a shit about Justice League when it gives me a reason to. Wonder Woman is excellent.
Straightforwardly just tells a story, enjoyable leads, lovable secondary characters, plenty of memorable scenes. Every piece of this was solid.
To put it in MCU terms, it's the Captain America positivity and goodness, the Thor fish out of water, and also takes a page from my favorite scene in Iron Man.
Spoilers for my favorite sequence in Wonder Woman also, though.
The scene where Tony is watching media coverage of the terrorists using Stark tech, and getting angrier and angrier until he does something about it. In Wonder Woman, she and the group are on their way to an important place. She keeps seeing war atrocities and has this look of heartbreak in her eyes, wants to help, but they can't stop because they have an important mission, and she gets a little angrier each time this happens until she puts her foot down and does something about it. The scene of her charging her way to the town had me a little misty-eyed. A superhero! Saving innocent people! Why is that so hard for superhero movies to do these days?! When she starts leaping, it's wonderful, but then her rage is just bursting through the screen when she shoves a German truck, and the flips it against a building.
I like that Steve Trevor noticed little things when he was on Themyscira and applied them later in the movie. It was also nice seeing Diana discover what she could do, considering the outside is really a new world for her.
Movie also deftly dodges the late second act slump that a lot of movies get their wheels stuck in. I was expecting it to just happen and had accepted it, but then, nope, movie keeps going instead.
I don't want to get into the details of the climax, so briefly ...
An element I thought was clever at the end will probably be getting called bullshit by people who don't know Greek mythology. Just a prediction.
There's a lot more, I could honestly go on and on with most of the scenes. Just loved the hell out of this movie. I still don't have any lofty expectations for Justice League--I hope Whedon can pull off a surprise in the editing room, especially since he was apparently on-set for the movie's reshoots, has been involved for a couple months in fact--but not expecting it.
Eh, whatever, I'll give a shit about Justice League when it gives me a reason to. Wonder Woman is excellent.
Seriously. Those were the only good parts of Superman Returns, and I don't think I've seen anything like it since.
The Avengers did plenty of saving in the big final battle.
But didn't you see in Civil War when Hulk accidentally killed some people? Those Avengers are out. Of. Control. Someone should write a law against them.
- General Ross
Dave
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I'm back and I really liked it, although I did have a few minor quibbles with it. Mostly it's because I'm a cynical bastard.
- Humans are terrible but they have the power of love. Barf. Haven't we seen this a bazillion times before? Come on.
- Wonder Woman had sex. Maybe this is a small thing, but only once in the history of the comic did she ever and that was a Frank Miller clusterfuck. The thing about WW is she's supposed to be pure. Maybe that means something different in the golden age of comics than it does now (re: sexuality doesn't make you impure, etc.) but it is like having Superman kill - just something that goes against canon and for what? What purpose? To show us that she loves a man. Not MAN as in the race, but A man. So that the MAN can sacrifice his life in the pivotal moment to make her realize her full potential.
- Slooooooow moooooooootion fiiiiiiiighting. Fucking enough.
- Extremely predictable, including the reveal of Ares. But most superhero movies are pretty predictable, so I guess I can't hold it against it too badly.
- Diana goes to sleep on a boat she was sharing with Steve, only to wake up...being towed into London? wha-thu-fu-?
- She's wearing that blue dress, hops on a horse...and changes her clothes while galloping. Does no one in Hollywood know what riding a fucking horse is like?
There was a lot to like and one scene in particular was pretty epic. And they fully explain how her powers changed over time, which I thought was pretty smart. I probably won't see it again in theaters, but that's only because I usually don't.
Honestly, having a Wonder Woman movie teaching young girls that their sexuality is a bad thing sounds a lot worse than breaking with arbitrary comic canon. I think it's just one of those things that has to be handled differently now.
Regarding number 2:
Wonder Woman has a romantic relationship, including (implied) sex with Steve Trevor in the mainstream comic run as well. And in various elseworlds she's been married and had children with various people. She and Superman have a kid in Kingdom Come.
Maybe it's from growing up in a different time
My prediction in the second spoilers of my review post has been coming true in a couple reactions/reviews I've seen online, so I'm going to explain in case anyone here has climax concerns about it:
I thought it was a pretty clever use of the mythology.
I don't see how having sex is supposed to be a stain on a person. There's nothing wrong with sex. That's original sin stuff, and maybe I'm remembering wrong, but I thought Dave was an atheist.
Also, she tore the dress off.
Also, she tore the dress off.
My prediction in the second spoilers of my review post has been coming true in a couple reactions/reviews I've seen online, so I'm going to explain in case anyone here has climax concerns about it:
The Greeks didn't think of Zeus's lightning as a superpower, but as a weapon, like a javelin. The cyclops were actually building them according to my wife, though I would've expected Hephaestus. In the movie, Ares wields the lightning, implying that he stole it from Zeus after Zeus died. Diana using it was the equivalent of Ares throwing a javelin at her, then her catching it and using it against him.
I thought it was a pretty clever use of the mythology.
This isn't really a spoiler, so I'm not going to tag is as such, but a lot of people forget that Wonder Woman's original design was to show everyone, including young girls and grown men, that a woman's sexuality/appearance was not to be shamed. William Moultan Marston used to argue with the editors about her uniform. He was trying to take away the taboo that a woman's body should only be seen for male sexual gratification. That's also where the lasso comes from. He, his wives, and their occasional partner, would use bondage play, and he was trying to remove the taboo from that, too.
No need to link a source on a statement like that.
I say that like it's a joke, but it's still true; she knows that shit in and out and wishes she could teach Greek mythology as her day job. Any time I have a question about it, I don't bother with Wikipedia; I just ask her.
My biggest complaint is that the movie still felt pretty male centered. Also that
Steve had to say "I love you" at the end. It was completely unnecessary. I feel that the realization that the light inside mankind can overcome the darkness should have been the message. That can still be love without it having to have the romantic aspect thrown in. Fuck Hollywood.
STOP NORMALIZING THIS SHIT ALREADY!!!![DOUBLEPOST=1496621757,1496621253][/DOUBLEPOST]
Damn man, that's just false advertising.
I accidentally skimmed this comment a little before going to see the film, and it made me expect her to literally catch the lightning bolt Ares threw at her like it was a javelin, like he did the 1st time, and throw it back at him.
And for something completely different"
Did Zeus literally go bang Hippolyta after being mortally wounded by Ares? Because that's the only thing about the Greek gods they got right, personality wise!
Blame Marvel. They are the ones who won that court case years ago, preventing DC from using the Captain Marvel name on comic covers.
Unclear. I still took it as
Hippolyta's prayer to Zeus brought clay Diana to life. But honestly, this was my biggest issue with the whole movie, because it flies in the face of Wonder Woman's unique history. Since the whole thing is told in an illustrated flashback and didn't require hiring additional actors, would it have killed them to say that Hera, or Hera and the other goddesses of Olympus, fearing Ares would destroy them, created Diana? It would have only taken a few extra seconds of dialogue, even in her response to Steve's question about her parentage. It still would have fit Ares arrogance at the end, too.
Well
Keep in mind that scene was a lie.
I was explaining how the rules of it worked; if they made it that clear in the movie then people wouldn't be as likely to misinterpret it the way I've seen.
But to that second spoiler ... good observation!
I'd blame them a lot more if DC didn't have some things called Action Comics and Detective Comics, which have been running since before they're respective superheroes came about... And yet no one though about just calling the mag Whiz Comics (as i'm sure the TM for that one was as lapsed as the one for Captain Marvel himself).
Someone doesn't know about the Nu52... lucky you....
Yeah, i got that after reading it again... i stopped the 1st time after realising what it was a spoiler for...
No, I am. In fact, I think it was this thread a month or so back that I mentioned the spoiler they were going this route, and how much it pissed me off.
It could be, but considering she never got confirmation from Hippolyta, it's pretty easy to say "Ares has his own interpretation". He's not exactly the God of Truth. I know they're pushing the Nu52 origin, but there's still a lot of time to fill in between WWI and now, and this weekend can almost guarantee Wonder Woman is getting a sequel. It wouldn't be the first time dialogue got retconned in between, like Anakin "back-tracking" they did between A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.
But he called himself the god of truth .
The sequel will take place in modern day. They made it ambiguous whether Diana could go back to Themyscira and ask her mother or not.
.The sequel will take place in modern day. They made it ambiguous whether Diana could go back to Themyscira and ask her mother or not.
