It's taking a lot of work to salvage Biden as a winner if he technically came in fourth.
Alternatively: it takes a lot of work to weed out all the Russian interference.
Alternatively: it takes a lot of work to weed out all the Russian interference.
I disagree. The news cycle forgets fast. Whoever actually wins Iowa will be the big story of the day and this will be a distant memory by next Tuesday. We have the State of the Union, the official impeachment trial results (forgone conclusion, but still) and at lest one wildcard insane trump tweet before then.
Sure, but the Iowa bump and free publicity for the winner could've made a big difference. Especially if it would've been /will be Buttigieg. It would make him more credible... and frankly, a somewhat centrist guy that isn't 70+ or a billionaire might be a good candidate, you know.
figmentPez
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Well, this is not at all reassuring:
Dave
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Yeah, interesting, huh? Sanders leads by every metric...except he's going to come in second in the number of delegates. I'm not normally a conspiracy theory guy, but it's weird to me that an app developed by FORMER HILLARY DNC PEOPLE have created a clusterfuck that took way too long and the results are skewed away from Bernie. This really smells like more Clinton/DNC undermining of progressives.
Eh, well, I think that has more to do with the delegate appointment system and less with the app.
That aside, I still quite like Buttigieg as a candidate. He's by no means perfect, but he's a young minority guy who isn't too far to the left to scare off moderates , yet can come off believable when saying he cares about young people and their concerns.
And I can't believe I'm saying this, but in some ways, Bloomberg is becoming my second favorite - his decision to simply already campaign against Trump, rather than against other democrats, might pay off...or it might mean he'll be running third party and give it to Trump, I dunno.
Honestly, I just hope it isn't Biden or Sanders. The last thing the democrats need is two septagenarians running against each other. And yes, I'm aware Bloomberg is almost as old or older...but he doesn't show it as much just yet.
That aside, I still quite like Buttigieg as a candidate. He's by no means perfect, but he's a young minority guy who isn't too far to the left to scare off moderates , yet can come off believable when saying he cares about young people and their concerns.
And I can't believe I'm saying this, but in some ways, Bloomberg is becoming my second favorite - his decision to simply already campaign against Trump, rather than against other democrats, might pay off...or it might mean he'll be running third party and give it to Trump, I dunno.
Honestly, I just hope it isn't Biden or Sanders. The last thing the democrats need is two septagenarians running against each other. And yes, I'm aware Bloomberg is almost as old or older...but he doesn't show it as much just yet.
This is everyone's weekly reminder that the entire reason Trump hasn't been impeached yet is because Bloomberg donated 12 million dollars to Republican candidates and flipped two of the seats he donated to for Republicans.
So yes, fuck Bloomberg.
There are apparently 3 different ways to tally the votes in Iowa. *shrug&
Pete Buttigege is basically just a younger Biden. He's in the pockets of the major corporations, which is why the DNC likes him.
I thought that was the entire platform of the Democratic Party this year?
Well going by the video from earlier, it's....not common knowledge?
figmentPez
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If he's the Democrat candidate, it will be. Do you think Trump will be able to keep his mouth shut about something he's allowed to be bigoted about?
figmentPez
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Also, note the rounding error on the third line.
I think the eighth delegate went to Pete by coin toss. But the form should reflect that. It is driving everyone nuts. Also, Bernie Bros are the most conspiracy-orientes group I have ever seen.
Can you blame people for being dodgy about the results not coming in because of a mysterious new app that breaks, and it's owned by an open buttigeig supporter?
You can't blame them. Bernie's been snubbed and flat-out ignored by the media and even people in his own party, probably hoping he would just fade/go away.
--Patrick
Bernie is an independent, who only joins the Dem party long enough to primary. I feel like if he had stayed a Dem in name for the last 4 years he might have built up some good will. But it's no surprise that the DNC snubs him in favor of their actual members.
I can definitely blame people for doing what Trump does, stringing together a story that fits a narrative they want to sell with tape and staples. These conspiracies do not even pass the sniff test. Iowa gives a small number of delegates and Shadow Inc. wouldn't potentially tank their business for an investment from one candidate's supporter, let alone when there is a paper trail to verify the actual results. All people see is "App - Pete - $$" and ignore all the information that doesn't support their perceived victimization. That is what Trump does! I just want a higher standard than that, no matter who people support.
The real problem is that media, especially social media, moves at lightning speed and voting processes don't. Don't get me wrong, the DNC dropped the ball hard in Iowa. But now these stupid conspiracies are out there and they are sticky as hell in this connected world as people reinforce them in their echo chambers. It's dangerous.
And that's exactly why I like him, because the Democrats, while not as awful as the Republicans, are still pretty bad.
The ones regarding the app, the IA Primary, perhaps not.
The ones where Bernie is frequently omitted from discussion entirely? They most certainly do.
--Patrick
Oh sure, that's fine. I'm simply pointing out that the Dems have a justifiable reason not to like him.
Yeah, no.
If the moderates keep dividing between Biden, Buttigieg and Klobuchar, this doesn't increase the chances of Klobuchar actually becoming the nominee - it just improves the odds for Sanders and/or Bloomberg.