[TV] Talk about the last TV you watched, the catchall thread

GasBandit · Jan 31, 2022

Celt Z said:
...except that he wasn't? Not in the "canon" universe, in any case.

Granted, a lot of the gaps got filled by Fanon that became Canon, and then as you say it got stripped out with the EU. But even that also speaks to a lot of the problems with Book of Fett - there's just some stories that don't need to be shown nor told. All the "present" parts of the first 4 episodes could have just as well not been shown on screen, and summarized with a couple lines of dialog when Din meets back up with Fett in episode 6. We don't need to know, nor care about all that crap. It was all anti-story that easily could have been left to the imagination of fans to have filled in the gaps, as was what happened 40 years ago. Give the fans a tiny amount of data, and they'll knit you an amazing story.

The only thing I'd add to your list of "what we know about Boba Fett" was also that he was famous enough for Han Solo to know him by name and consider him a threat - "Boba Fett? Where?!" (blindly spins around and whacks Fett's jetpack).

Celt Z said:
As for the Sabine/Armorer thing, wouldn't the whole "don't ever take the helmet off" mean it couldn't be her? I think it was Mando that established if you were in a certain sect of Mandolorian, this was non-negotiable, and I don't think you can change that? I could be wrong, but that was why it never occurred to me they could be one-in-the-same.

It wasn't an issue for Din until somebody actually asked him, and he felt compelled to answer truthfully.

Maybe nobody's thought to ask the Armorer, and they all just assume.

Shakey · Jan 31, 2022

I figured the helmet thing was only from the point that they join the sect onwards, and I’m pretty sure they can change sects.

Sara_2814 · Jan 31, 2022

Boba hasn't been portrayed as "bad" in canon, just very angry about losing his father. In The Clone Wars, he was driven to get revenge on Mace Windu for killing Jango, but he showed compassion to the troopers Aurra Sing wanted to kill, he cared about the cadets from the Endeavor, he showed remorse for his actions while going after Mace Windu (though he still won't forgive Windu for killing Jango), and Hondo Ohnaka convinced him to help the Jedi find Sing with "It is the honorable thing to do. It's what your father would have wanted." (I think this line is important and could explain Boba's actions in the current series.)

Being a bounty hunter doesn't automatically make him "bad" (see also: Din Djarin). I mean, he took a job to capture a smuggler who owed Jabba the Hutt money, but what's so bad about getting another filthy spice smuggler off the streets?

Boba seemed to be happy living with the Tuskens and wanted to help them (colonists are taking their land and killing them). I could see him taking over Jabba's turf simply to get the resources and power to wipe out the Pykes for murdering his found family, because that's what a Mandalorian would do and especially something I think Boba would do.

Tinwhistler · Jan 31, 2022

Celt Z · Jan 31, 2022

GasBandit said:
The only thing I'd add to your list of "what we know about Boba Fett" was also that he was famous enough for Han Solo to know him by name and consider him a threat - "Boba Fett? Where?!" (blindly spins around and whacks Fett's jetpack).

Well, yeah, I tried to touch on that with my reply. What I'm saying is they TOLD us he was legendary, but 90% of all of Boba Fett appearances was him standing around, maybe pointing his gun sometimes? Film is a "show, don't tell medium", so when he finally gets to do something in RotJ, he got his ass handed to him NOT by the Jedi, but by a lucky swing from ~~Helen Keller~~ Han Solo, average human.

Sara_2814 said:
Being a bounty hunter doesn't automatically make him "bad" (see also: Din Djarin). I mean, he took a job to capture a smuggler who owed Jabba the Hutt money, but what's so bad about getting another filthy spice smuggler off the streets?

This, absolutely. BUT-

Boba seemed to be happy living with the Tuskens and wanted to help them (colonists are taking their land and killing them). I could see him taking over Jabba's turf simply to get the resources and power to wipe out the Pykes for murdering his found family, because that's what a Mandalorian would do and especially something I think Boba would do.

While you are right about Boba's train of thought, this is the problem I have at this point. Is it really a Mandolorian thing to do, or is it something we would expect Din Djarin to do? Because, at least to me, it doesn't seem like a Mandolorian credo, or at least, not the path Sabine or Bo-Katan, for example, would take. I feel like a lot of their narrative waffling on Boba Fett is because they don't want to make him ruthless, but then they run the chance of making him too much like Din. They really need to pick a lane for Boba Fett and stick with it.

Ravenpoe · Jan 31, 2022

Does Boba Fett even consider himself a mandalorian? His connection to the armor is through his father, I don't think he really identifies as or cares about mandalorian culture

AshburnerX · Jan 31, 2022

It's worth remembering that there are multiple competing philosophies in regards to the Mandalorians. There are Mandolorian Traditionalists/Orthodox groups like Deathwatch and The Children of the Watch, as well as followers of New Mandalore (Bo-Katan and others, who wanted to be a peaceful and enlightened people). The New Mandalore stuff -is- what lead to the purge though so...

GasBandit · Jan 31, 2022

I get the feeling that de-EU'd Boba Fett probably doesn't care much about Mandalorian culture or creeds of ANY sect, only the armor her inherited from Jango. And we saw that Bo Katan doesn't consider Boba a "real" mandalorian either.

Sparhawk · Jan 31, 2022

Celt Z said:
Well, yeah, I tried to touch on that with my reply. What I'm saying is they TOLD us he was legendary, but 90% of all of Boba Fett appearances was him standing around, maybe pointing his gun sometimes? Film is a "show, don't tell medium", so when he finally gets to do something in RotJ, he got his ass handed to him NOT by the Jedi, but by a lucky swing from ~~Helen Keller~~ Han Solo, average human.

This, absolutely. BUT-

While you are right about Boba's train of thought, this is the problem I have at this point. Is it really a Mandolorian thing to do, or is it something we would expect Din Djarin to do? Because, at least to me, it doesn't seem like a Mandolorian credo, or at least, not the path Sabine or Bo-Katan, for example, would take. I feel like a lot of their narrative waffling on Boba Fett is because they don't want to make him ruthless, but then they run the chance of making him too much like Din. They really need to pick a lane for Boba Fett and stick with it.

Boba isn’t a Mandalorian, I think it was mentioned in Mando’s series that the armor was a gift to Jango.

AshburnerX · Jan 31, 2022

GasBandit said:
I get the feeling that de-EU'd Boba Fett probably doesn't care much about Mandalorian culture or creeds of ANY sect, only the armor her inherited from Jango. And we saw that Bo Katan doesn't consider Boba a "real" mandalorian either.

Bo-Katan doesn't consider Boba a real Mandalorian because he's a clone, not because of his culture.

Sparhawk said:
Boba isn’t a Mandalorian, I think it was mentioned in Mando’s series that the armor was a gift to Jango.

I don't remember if this is true, but I do know that the DNA chain would have worked regardless, as Boba is a flawless clone of Jango.

GasBandit · Jan 31, 2022

AshburnerX said:
Bo-Katan doesn't consider Boba a real Mandalorian because he's a clone, not because of his culture.
I don't remember if this is true, but I do know that the DNA chain would have worked regardless, as Boba is a flawless clone of Jango.

That's what I meant. He has no actual cultural attachment to anything of Mandalore. It's just the armor he inherited from Jango happened to be Mandalorian. Likewise, the feeling is mutual among the politically strident Mandalorians. Bo Katan won't condescend to acknowledge him because she thinks he's just a clonetrooper wearing culturally appropriated armor. If the Covert of the Children of the Watch spared a thought for him, it would be automatic "all other concerns aside, his helmet came off, he's not Mandalorian." So, yeah, things like Mandalorian creed probably don't hold much weight with Boba, as Mandalorians probably have now Canonically considered him an outsider since day one.

Shakey · Jan 31, 2022

Sparhawk said:
Boba isn’t a Mandalorian, I think it was mentioned in Mando’s series that the armor was a gift to Jango.

I think it’s the opposite. It was confirmed in the mandalorian that jengo was mandalorian and the rightful owner of the armor, so Boba in turn was as well. Purists might say otherwise though.

I think the rumor for a while was jengo stole the armor, and wasn’t a true mandalorian, but that turned out to not be true.

GasBandit · Feb 1, 2022

Shakey said:
I think it’s the opposite. It was confirmed in the mandalorian that jengo was mandalorian and the rightful owner of the armor, so Boba in turn was as well. Purists might say otherwise though.

I think the rumor for a while was jengo stole the armor, and wasn’t a true mandalorian, but that turned out to not be true.

Just a note in support of the above. Boba Fett showed his genetic profile to Din Djarin to show he and his father are genetically of Mandalore, and thus the armor rightfully belongs to Boba by rules that Mandalorians recognize - even extreme sects such as the Children of the Watch.

Bo Katan's distaste for Boba is rooted in the fact that he is a clone of Jango, just like the original Imperial-Stormtroopers-né-Republic-Clonetroopers that deposed her when the Empire rose to power. And it's clear that Boba doesn't give a rat's ass and doesn't actually consider himself Mandalorian (The Mandalorian S02E08)

Bo Katan: And YOU are not a Mandalorian.
Boba Fett: Never said I was.

Bo Katan: You are a disgrace to your armor.
Boba Fett: This armor belonged to my father.
Bo Katan: Don't you mean your 'Donor?' ... You are a clone. I've heard your voice a thousand times.

The above, along with Boba's dismissive attitude toward the concept of reclaiming Mandalore, leads me to believe Jango either did not consider Mandalorian culture important enough to pass down to his "son," or he died before he had a chance to do so (since Boba was still in his early formative years when Jango was killed by Mace Windu).

AshburnerX · Feb 1, 2022

GasBandit said:
The above, along with Boba's dismissive attitude toward the concept of reclaiming Mandalore, leads me to believe Jango either did not consider Mandalorian culture important enough to pass down to his "son," or he died before he had a chance to do so (since Boba was still in his early formative years when Jango was killed by Mace Windu).

If we're going to add in stuff from the modern book lines (i.e. stuff Disney's put out), there is a book about Mandalorian culture they put out ether right before or right as The Mandalorian came out that is explicitly from Jango's perspective and sort of annotated by Boba. He does talk about how the "real" meaning of being a Mandalorian has basically been lost since The Old Republic and mentions a lot of traditions that just aren't a "thing" anymore, such as allowing aliens to become Mandalorians (which is something Jango basically says SHOULD come back but it it would be generations before it COULD). This is probably all Boba has to go on culturally, aside from anything his father explicitly told him.

It's also worth mentioning that Boba Fett spent his post-father years in the care of bounty hunters, namely Bossk (who was actually IN a movie), Aurra Sing, and Castas. This has probably skewed his viewpoint as well (his tolerance for crime but also a desire to keep it under control).

Looking through that lens, Boba Fett's actions seem a lot more... logical? Old Republic Mandalorians were definitely a ruthless bunch, but also had a lot of disdain for hurting people not involved in the fighting and running their settlements in a consistent manner. It probably helps too that Boba's been on both sides of the law and understands just how ineffective both the Republic and the Syndicates are at actually making the streets safe for the general public.

Also, we might as well setup a Mando/Fett thread at this point. Book of Fett stuff is really dominating this General thread.

Bubble181 · Feb 1, 2022

AshburnerX said:
Also, we might as well setup a Mando/Fett thread at this point. Book of Fett stuff is really dominating this General thread.

I've been wondering why there wasn't a Spoilers of Boba Fett thread, like the other shows, but since I haven't watched yet I was loathe to create it myself.

Shakey · Feb 1, 2022

GasBandit said:
The above, along with Boba's dismissive attitude toward the concept of reclaiming Mandalore, leads me to believe Jango either did not consider Mandalorian culture important enough to pass down to his "son," or he died before he had a chance to do so (since Boba was still in his early formative years when Jango was killed by Mace Windu).

Yeah, I was just referring to his lineage, and not really whether he can, or wants to, consider himself a part of mandalorian culture.

IronBrig4 · Feb 1, 2022

It just hit me. There's that scene where Mando is testing out his new ride. He buzzes a commercial shuttle and some kid waves at him from the window. That's straight out of The Rocketeer.

GasBandit · Feb 1, 2022

IronBrig4 said:
It just hit me. There's that scene where Mando is testing out his new ride. He buzzes a commercial shuttle and some kid waves at him from the window. That's straight out of The Rocketeer.

It was the same kid who gave him the bug-eye when he was flying commercial.

Celt Z · Feb 1, 2022

GasBandit said:
...gave him the bug-eye...

It's a Rodian- how can you tell?!?

PatrThom · Feb 1, 2022

Celt Z said:
It's a Rodian- how can you tell?!?

Subtitles.

--Patrick

GasBandit · Feb 1, 2022

Celt Z said:
It's a Rodian- how can you tell?!?

PatrThom said:
Subtitles.

--Patrick

Rodian Child: [BUG EYE]

ThatNickGuy · Feb 2, 2022

Boba Fett, Episode 6

Once again, the best parts of The Book of Boba Fett is when Boba Fett isn't anywhere to be seen.

Great for fans of other characters (like me). Not do great for Boba Fett.

LOVED the appearance of [redacted] at the end.

But once again, my beef is you're seeing all these developments for Mandalorian AND Grogu and it's not on their own show. I hate that. It's like in superhero comics where major events happen in other books that force you to read those other books.

Celt Z · Feb 2, 2022

ThatNickGuy said:
Boba Fett, Episode 6

Once again, the best parts of The Book of Boba Fett is when Boba Fett isn't anywhere to be seen.

Great for fans of other characters (like me). Not do great for Boba Fett.

LOVED the appearance of [redacted] at the end.

But once again, my beef is you're seeing all these developments for Mandalorian AND Grogu and it's not on their own show. I hate that. It's like in superhero comics where major events happen in other books that force you to read those other books.

You ever get the feeling

Disney was like, "Hey, we want you to do something with Boba Fett like you did for The Mandolorian!" and Dave Filoni et al were like, "We don't really have anything for him..." and Disney was like, "You wanna keep doing Star Wars?!?" and so the compromise was The Mandolorian: Season Fett.

blotsfan · Feb 2, 2022

~~Mandalorian~~ Boba Fett spoilers

I liked the Luke scene at the end of season 2 but it was definitely wonkey. It was fine for a one scene cool moment, but having him be a major character was not a great move.

And like everyone else has said, these last two episodes have definitely been the best and its because they've barely touched on the Boba Fett story.

ScytheRexx · Feb 2, 2022

Will say though...

The change over to the deepfake tech has really improved the face work on Luke.

ThatNickGuy · Feb 2, 2022

ScytheRexx said:
Will say though...

The change over to the deepfake tech has really improved the face work on Luke.

Agreed. It's still not perfect and it feels stiff, with a side order of uncanny valley, but it's a noticeable improvement from the end of Mandalorian Season 2.

Shakey · Feb 3, 2022

Seems strange to me that Luke is making this ultimatum to Grogu when he hasn’t, and won’t, do the same. Luke hasn’t, and won’t, cut ties to his friends and family. Why is he asking that of Grogu?

ScytheRexx · Feb 3, 2022

Shakey said:
Seems strange to me that Luke is making this ultimatum to Grogu when he hasn’t, and won’t, do the same. Luke hasn’t, and won’t, cut ties to his friends and family. Why is he asking that of Grogu?

This is obviously a test he is doing to see how Grogu would react, rather then a real ultimatum. Can see it going one of two ways.

1: Luke is testing his convictions. He does not even know if Grogu wants to become a Jedi, and wouldn't feel right trying to push him into the lifestyle if he isn't up for it.
2: Luke is actually testing how much he cares for someone else, and wants to see if he would be willing to put family above all else.

Luke won't be able to answer these questions if he just gives him both items, so he has to know where Grogu's mind actually sits.

GasBandit · Feb 3, 2022

AshburnerX · Feb 3, 2022

Motherfucking CAD BANE. Considering next week is the finale, we'd better get a shitload more Fett.

Shakey · Feb 3, 2022

ScytheRexx said:
This is obviously a test he is doing to see how Grogu would react, rather then a real ultimatum. Can see it going one of two ways.

1: Luke is testing his convictions. He does not even know if Grogu wants to become a Jedi, and wouldn't feel right trying to push him into the lifestyle if he isn't up for it.
2: Luke is actually testing how much he cares for someone else, and wants to see if he would be willing to put family above all else.

Luke won't be able to answer these questions if he just gives him both items, so he has to know where Grogu's mind actually sits.

I dunno, I guess we’ll see. All this coming from the guy who refused to give up personal attachments and ends up training his own nephew seems really out of character for him.

GasBandit · Feb 3, 2022

Ravenpoe · Feb 3, 2022

Shakey said:
I dunno, I guess we’ll see. All this coming from the guy who refused to give up personal attachments and ends up training his own nephew seems really out of character for him.

This is his first time trying to teach someone, and the first time we've seen Luke canonically try this. So it's hard to say what his in character method would be. Makes sense that he would start out trying to be a traditionalist and then change over time.

ScytheRexx · Feb 3, 2022

One thing of note...

The sequel trilogy and comics have said that Luke's first student at his academy was Ben Solo, so unless they decide to just ignore the sequels it's pretty much a lock that Grogu will return to Din at some point whether now or a little later.

Shawn · Feb 4, 2022

ScytheRexx said:
One thing of note...

The sequel trilogy and comics have said that Luke's first student at his academy was Ben Solo, so unless they decide to just ignore the sequels it's pretty much a lock that Grogu will return to Din at some point whether now or a little later.

Mando's new ship came with a Grogu seat and Grogu not being at the academy will answer the burning question of if Grogu survives the destruction of it.
Of course Grogu is choosing the Mando.