[Brazelton] Roe v. Wade

Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

PatrThom said:


...just sayin'.

--Patrick
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Far as I can find, those barricades have been up for a week, ever since a climate activist self immolated on the supreme court steps and just didn't get much coverage

www.nytimes.com

Climate Activist Dies After Setting Himself on Fire at Supreme Court (Published 2022)

A friend described the actions of Wynn Bruce, of Boulder, Colo., as “a deeply fearless act of compassion to bring attention to climate crisis.”
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Not to say this isn't still bad and wrong
 
Dirona

Dirona

figmentPez said:
The "leak" was very clearly planned.

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Didn't y'alls Supreme Court decide, like a decade ago that 'safety zones' around clinics infringed on the rights of protesters? Or something like that?

[Aside - I don't even live in the US, and this leak has me in all sort of livid and nauseous knots, fucking hell.]
 
Dave

Dave

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Next up, same sex marriage, contraception, and even interracial marriage - which have been cited as falling under the same category as RvW.

Republicans wanted a theocratic rule with white nationalist underpinnings and the democrats are too stupid and milquetoast to put up any fight. As long as their corporate overlords are happy what do they care.
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

Fact is that's tied hand and feet. As long as Sinema and Manchin block every progressive move and protect the filibuster, Biden might as well have a hostile Senate.
 
PatrThom

PatrThom

Ravenpoe said:
Far as I can find, those barricades have been up for a week, ever since a climate activist self immolated on the supreme court steps and just didn't get much coverage
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I don't feel like that changes the message it is sending, though.

--Patrick
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

Dave said:
Next up, same sex marriage, contraception, and even interracial marriage - which have been cited as falling under the same category as RvW.

Republicans wanted a theocratic rule with white nationalist underpinnings and the democrats are too stupid and milquetoast to put up any fight. As long as their corporate overlords are happy what do they care.
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Sheesh, and here I was trying to choose my words carefully since this isn't the Politics subforum :-P
 
chris

chris

It will be easier for law enforcers and bounty hunters to find woman who had an abortion that way.
 
figmentPez

figmentPez

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They're not stopping at abortion:



If you're not rich, white, and male, they want to enslave or destroy you.
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

"their right to govern"?
I can imagine quite a few men having the idea that they have the right to govern, but it's not a right guarantee in any ancient document written by a bunch of middle aged and elderly white men.
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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Bubble181 said:
"their right to govern"?
I can imagine quite a few men having the idea that they have the right to govern, but it's not a right guarantee in any ancient document written by a bunch of middle aged and elderly white men.
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A lot of them think they have the right to rule.
 
figmentPez

figmentPez

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Louisiana is now debating legislation that would criminalize abortion, some forms of birth control, in vitro fertilizatoin, and even miscarriage.



Seems a good time to note that scientific studies suggest that the majority of pregnancies end in miscarriage (though most of these the mother is unaware of). Even of just known pregnancies, as much as a quarter result in miscarriage.

"But surely they'll only use this law to charge women who did it on purpose". Yeah, we all know that's bullshit. They'll use it to charge any woman they want to punish. They'll use it to threaten women into complying with whatever else they want.
 
chris

chris

figmentPez said:
"But surely they'll only use this law to charge women who did it on purpose". Yeah, we all know that's bullshit. They'll use it to charge any woman they want to punish. They'll use it to threaten women into complying with whatever else they want.
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I'm sure a woman was already arrested for a miscarriage after a nurse informed the police.
 
figmentPez

figmentPez

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chris said:
I'm sure a woman was already arrested for a miscarriage after a nurse informed the police.
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Not just arrested, but convicted and sentenced to four years in prison. From the BBC: US women are being jailed for having miscarriages

Very clearly a test case to establish precedent. A minority who was using illegal drugs that might have led to the miscarriage is the perfect victim. Conservatives can say "Well, she shouldn't have been doing drugs. She knew what she was doing. It'll be easy for good women to avoid this, they just have to not do illegal things while pregnant. Do you want women to be doing drugs while pregnant?"

The problem with that reasoning is that "grandpa's record collection" and "computer power cable" very easily become "hazardous materials with known abortifacient properties" when filing negligent homicide charges. And "she knew what she was doing" can very easily be stretched to any sort of exposure to a variety of chemicals, physical forces (car rides, exercise, etc). "Don't do illegal things" applies to "don't have a miscarriage" when miscarriages are illegal. "Do you want women exposing themselves to harmful chemicals while pregnant?"

But everyone here knows all that, and I'm just ranting to the choir.

EDIT: Here are more cases Women are being jailed for losing their pregnancies. The US’s post-Roe v Wade reality is already here

Article includes Marshae Jones, who was indicted on manslaughter charges after being shot and losing her pregnancy, Keysheonna Reed, who was charged with abuse of a corpse after having a stillbirth, and a link to a paywalled NYT article about five women in Arkansas who have been arrested for stillbirths or miscarriages.

The National Advocates for Pregnant Women (NAPW) has documented 1,254 cases where women were arrested, detained, or otherwise deprived of liberty "in which being pregnant was a necessary element of the crime or a 'but for' reason for the coercive or punitive action taken."

It's a lot more common than I realized for women to be harassed using their pregnancy as a pretense.
 
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mikerc

mikerc

PatrThom said:
This is not a goal. They will tell you that you can have all the sex you want, so long as it is procreative sex.

--Patrick
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No, this is the goal. They would love to outlaw sex without a license & then the license would be awarded only for procreative sex and only to white couples.
 
HCGLNS

HCGLNS

It's what it's always been about, power. The red states will enact the laws against abortion, resulting in more births and more poverty. The gifted in those states will leave to blue states for more rights and more money. But it doesn't matter, the states will become more and more and more entrenched in how they vote, but when State XY has 400,000 voters and State XX has 400,000,000 they each get only 2 Senators. Power maintained.
 
Bubble181

Bubble181

mikerc said:
No, this is the goal. They would love to outlaw sex without a license & then the license would be awarded only for procreative sex and only to white couples.
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Hey now, hey now. I think they'd also be willing to give out training certificates for girls who may be too young for procreation. Some of them, certainly.
 
phil

phil

mikerc said:
No, this is the goal. They would love to outlaw sex without a license & then the license would be awarded only for procreative sex and only to white couples.
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Also taking people who are pro abortion out of the voting pool by charging them with a felony if they have one.
 
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