[Brazelton] Roe v. Wade
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Confidence in Supreme Court is at lowest level in 50-year recorded history, Gallup poll finds
The American people’s confidence in the Supreme Court is at its lowest level ever recorded, according to a Gallup poll released Thursday. The poll found that only a quarter of Americans have …
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Well, that's it, then. There is no turning this back any longer, it has gained too much momentum.
States will continue to divide themselves now on abortion, then later on civil rights or property/income taxes or "obscenity" or some other excuse to more solidly codify their respective position(s), further dividing what happens on either side of their border(s) and effectively choosing sides until we inexorably arrive at some sort of tipping threshold between permissive states and restrictive ones. And, at that nebulous (and approaching far too rapidly!) point, we will cross over into full civil warfare. It may not be blatant, and this time it may not (entirely) be fought with guns nor cannon, and (thanks to modern technology) the division might not be as geographically obvious as it was the last time, but it definitely will come with too much suffering and death of The People.
All I can say is that it might be a good time to go over your job, your situation, and your possessions, and be ready to pick up and move if it becomes obvious that your state's ideals are shifting in a direction where they no longer match your own.
Here's hoping that many of the newly-packing experience premature emasculation due to an unexpected discharge.
--Patrick
figmentPez
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Seems like it's only a matter of time until an American version of Kristallnacht.
I said elsewhere that, up ‘til now, they’ve wanted to get that ball rolling, but they were just preparing the ball, lining up the ball, making sure it was all ready to go. Now, however, they have started pushing the ball. They have started trying to make it roll.
—Patrick
They've got the Kinder, Küche, Kirche in place now. Intimidation and de-humanizing of LGBT people has had a few hiccups, but they're working on it. Looks like they're mostly on schedule.
figmentPez
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Looks like the Suprime Court is turning your country step by step into a fascist police state.
figmentPez
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The saddest thing about this is that despite the majority of Americans being in favor of the right to abortion (depending on terms and regulations etc you get different numbers but the majority opinion is clear), the democrats will still lose the midterms badly.
The only person I can imagine keeping Trump from reelection is DeSantis, which would not be an improvement.
The only person I can imagine keeping Trump from reelection is DeSantis, which would not be an improvement.
Surveys say that a lot people basically think, “Yeah, women should be able to get abortions, but… it doesn’t directly affect ME. And I don’t like the current inflation, so I’m voting out Democrats because it’s all their fault.”
figmentPez
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figmentPez
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Spoiler: nothing is going to work.
figmentPez
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Argh good lord the bots and/or idiots hard at work there.
They're trying to claim Belgium, Netherlands, etc don't allow abortion after 12 weeks.
To be clear: in Belgium (as an example) abortion WITHOUT CAUSE is legal until 12 weeks.
Medical, psychological or a number of other reasons (rape, incest etc) allow abortion up until viability (and in very specific cases even after, though... That I can understand people feel squicky about)
They're trying to claim Belgium, Netherlands, etc don't allow abortion after 12 weeks.
To be clear: in Belgium (as an example) abortion WITHOUT CAUSE is legal until 12 weeks.
Medical, psychological or a number of other reasons (rape, incest etc) allow abortion up until viability (and in very specific cases even after, though... That I can understand people feel squicky about)
This makes me wonder exactly what the legal distinction might be between "abortion" and "cesarean."
--Patrick
One has the intention to have both involved survive, the other not so much
This was a concerted effort by Republicans that took 50 years of gerrymandering, psyops, and targeted election wins. It can be overturned in precisely the same way, and possibly faster since public opinion and old farts dying off is on the Dems side. It will take a level of cohesion and organization that the Dems are not well known for, though.
figmentPez
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EDIT: And he's trying to walk back this racist bullshit by claiming he's just showing an example of a SCOTUS ruling that overturned a previous court decision. Never mind that Brown v. Board of Education was an actual case, and there was no case that the SCOTUS was ruling on when they overturned Roe. Plessy vs Ferguson was technically never overturned.
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GasBandit
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The fascists will not give up their gains without resorting to violence. Your scenario assumes two sides playing by the same rules, with good faith. The GOP is already making sure democracy is no longer a factor, and plenty of young people are being indoctrinated into hate.
I guess I'm not convinced that is certain at this point.
The literal attempted coup wasn't evidence enough for you?
It was pretty pathetic as far as coups go. It was also not about abortion or SC decisions. But no, I don't think if the SC reversed direction again it would result in violence. That's not to say I would be surprised if violence came to pass.
figmentPez
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It's all about White Nationalism. The coup, abortion restrictions, the current state of SCOTUS, anti-LGBTQ+ propaganda, they're all done with the same end goal.
They're literally saying it out loud:
"The victory of white life in the Supreme Court"
This is about racist, rich, white assholes who want to stay in power, and they absolutely will incite violence in order to keep that power. They will do anything and everything they can to achieve their goals.
EDIT: And, in case you were tempted to think "oh, she just misspoke", here is Mary Miller, on January 5th, praising Hitler for being right about the need to control the youth of a country in order to control it's future.
It's White Nationalism. ALL of it. Everything the Republican party is doing right now is because of White Nationalism. They're modern-day Nazis who idolize Hitler and want to create a fascist state so that (specific) white people can stay in power.
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