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Chazwozel

Been more of a slacker and majored in art.

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Haha, that reminds me of my roommate in undergrad. He was bitching about his communications courses. I dumped my Organic Chem book on his nuts and told him to shut the fuck up.
 
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Been more of a slacker and majored in art.

(sorry, couldn't be helped)
Haha, that reminds me of my roommate in undergrad. He was bitching about his communications courses. I dumped my Organic Chem book on his nuts and told him to shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE]I had something similar to that with a friend complaining about the cost of his books. Shut him up when I told him my Organic Chem book cost $200.
 
Been more of a slacker and majored in art.

(sorry, couldn't be helped)
Haha, that reminds me of my roommate in undergrad. He was bitching about his communications courses. I dumped my Organic Chem book on his nuts and told him to shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE]I had something similar to that with a friend complaining about the cost of his books. Shut him up when I told him my Organic Chem book cost $200.[/QUOTE]

If there's one thing I fucking hate about University students, it's what happens when you gather several complainers from different disciplines, and throw them into the same room.

Suddenly, everyone's program is much harder than everybody else's. The music students have to practice too much. The science students have too many labs. The philosophy students have to read motherfucking Immanuel Kant. People start to explain why their work is more difficult. And anyone who argues that what they are doing is more difficult is just ignorant. Because (after all) if they weren't ignorant, they would be in your program.
 
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The music students have it worst. They have 1 hour classes that actually take up 5 hours a week. Ensambles and ect. Not to mention the hours of out of class practicing ( up to 3-4 hours a day to be at the top of your class ).

This can easily turn a 15 hour semester into 40-50 hours of work.
 
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Chazwozel

Been more of a slacker and majored in art.

(sorry, couldn't be helped)
Haha, that reminds me of my roommate in undergrad. He was bitching about his communications courses. I dumped my Organic Chem book on his nuts and told him to shut the fuck up.[/QUOTE]I had something similar to that with a friend complaining about the cost of his books. Shut him up when I told him my Organic Chem book cost $200.[/QUOTE]

If there's one thing I fucking hate about University students, it's what happens when you gather several complainers from different disciplines, and throw them into the same room.

Suddenly, everyone's program is much harder than everybody else's. The music students have to practice too much. The science students have too many labs. The philosophy students have to read motherfucking Immanuel Kant. People start to explain why their work is more difficult. And anyone who argues that what they are doing is more difficult is just ignorant. Because (after all) if they weren't ignorant, they would be in your program.[/QUOTE]

Science and Engineering = hardest disciplines. Everyone else can shut the fuck up. /thread.
 
The music students have it worst. They have 1 hour classes that actually take up 5 hours a week. Ensambles and ect. Not to mention the hours of out of class practicing ( up to 3-4 hours a day to be at the top of your class ).

This can easily turn a 15 hour semester into 40-50 hours of work.
Science and Engineering = hardest disciplines. Everyone else can shut the fuck up. /thread.
Exactly.

Softcore Pornstar and Skinny Chef = hardest disciplines. Everyone else can shut the fuck up. /thread.
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Wait, what?
 

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Practice = work but != difficulty.

There really is a rank of required brainwork to majors. It would be a happy pretty PC world if the same amount of brainpower was required for a physics or math degree as was required for a communications degree. Creative arts might muddy the water a little ... but not terribly.
 
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Chazwozel

Practice = work but != difficulty.

There really is a rank of required brainwork to majors. It would be a happy pretty PC world if the same amount of brainpower was required for a physics or math degree as was required for a communications degree. Creative arts might muddy the water a little ... but not terribly.


Right. Just because you study hard and attend all your classes doesn't necessarily mean you won't fail physics. Study hard and pay attention and communications is a breeze.
 
Chaz, I can't help but laugh at your statement (even though completely true). My wife was a communications major and I was biochem. We joke very often about the vast difference in difficulty in our majors.
 
I'm still not sure though. I mean, obviously some degrees are a joke compared to others, but then you have aptitudes to take into account. I'm sure we all know people who would have no problem learning something like math, but couldn't get something in the so called 'social sciences' through their heads. And it's obvious when it comes to stuff like Music, that some people just have a feel for it that others don't.

And let's be honest. At some point, we entered discipline A because we couldn't cut it in discipline B. Whether it's a matter of not being able to wrap your head around it, or not having an interest, you cannot simply walk into a room of a dozen university students, all with different programs from yours, and honestly say "I could do every one of your degrees."
 
I went to an undergrad institution known for cranking out badass engineers. I know my science classes were tough, but I saw those guys bent over and torn a new one constantly.

As an aside (though I doubt any of these guys are engineering majors) this was awesome last night:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNMsybVooJQ[/ame]
 
I'm still not sure though. I mean, obviously some degrees are a joke compared to others, but then you have aptitudes to take into account. I'm sure we all know people who would have no problem learning something like math, but couldn't get something in the so called 'social sciences' through their heads. And it's obvious when it comes to stuff like Music, that some people just have a feel for it that others don't.

And let's be honest. At some point, we entered discipline A because we couldn't cut it in discipline B. Whether it's a matter of not being able to wrap your head around it, or not having an interest, you cannot simply walk into a room of a dozen university students, all with different programs from yours, and honestly say "I could do every one of your degrees."
This.

I'll admit that a physics course is hard - I couldn't do it - but that doesn't mean other course aren't hard. For some people harder than others, just like some people can breeze through a physics course while others have to put their entire day in working on it every day and every week to only barely graduate in the end.
 
I went to an undergrad institution known for cranking out badass engineers. I know my science classes were tough, but I saw those guys bent over and torn a new one constantly.

As an aside (though I doubt any of these guys are engineering majors) this was awesome last night:

Not the best of nights for my Alma Mater
 

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I'm still not sure though. I mean, obviously some degrees are a joke compared to others, but then you have aptitudes to take into account. I'm sure we all know people who would have no problem learning something like math, but couldn't get something in the so called 'social sciences' through their heads. And it's obvious when it comes to stuff like Music, that some people just have a feel for it that others don't.

And let's be honest. At some point, we entered discipline A because we couldn't cut it in discipline B. Whether it's a matter of not being able to wrap your head around it, or not having an interest, you cannot simply walk into a room of a dozen university students, all with different programs from yours, and honestly say "I could do every one of your degrees."
Completely and totally disagree with your second paragraph. I don't think the majority of students, at least in the sciences, got into their major because they couldn't hack it in another. I think they got into it because they liked it, or because they found it a nice challenge. I also think there's quite a few people in the world who could do any major. In fact, I know quite a few people like me who majored in both a social science and a natural science to round themselves out (in fact we had a club for it). I can tell you this from personal experience: the social science classes were easy -- I could ace them in my sleep. I actually had to do some work for the science classes. It's true, there's aptitude to consider. But then I would be willing to place almost any amount of money on the bet that a successful (that's key) physics major could breeze through a communications major. They may hate every minute of it, but they could easily do it.
 
I was actually an English major, but decided to go into computer science because I couldn't hack it. It took a while to overcome my lack of fear when in social situations and my ability communicate with other people outside of emails, but eventually I made my way through and now enjoy a fruitful career.
 
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I'm still not sure though. I mean, obviously some degrees are a joke compared to others, but then you have aptitudes to take into account. I'm sure we all know people who would have no problem learning something like math, but couldn't get something in the so called 'social sciences' through their heads. And it's obvious when it comes to stuff like Music, that some people just have a feel for it that others don't.

And let's be honest. At some point, we entered discipline A because we couldn't cut it in discipline B. Whether it's a matter of not being able to wrap your head around it, or not having an interest, you cannot simply walk into a room of a dozen university students, all with different programs from yours, and honestly say "I could do every one of your degrees."
Completely and totally disagree with your second paragraph. I don't think the majority of students, at least in the sciences, got into their major because they couldn't hack it in another. I think they got into it because they liked it, or because they found it a nice challenge. I also think there's quite a few people in the world who could do any major. In fact, I know quite a few people like me who majored in both a social science and a natural science to round themselves out (in fact we had a club for it). I can tell you this from personal experience: the social science classes were easy -- I could ace them in my sleep. I actually had to do some work for the science classes. It's true, there's aptitude to consider. But then I would be willing to place almost any amount of money on the bet that a successful (that's key) physics major could breeze through a communications major. They may hate every minute of it, but they could easily do it.[/QUOTE]

I minored in history to round myself out with a bunch of religion courses thrown in for fun. The Hinduism class I took... yeah...easiest A of my life. Same with the Geoffry Chaucer English Lit class I took. Don't get me wrong, those classes were really interesting, and I'm glad I took them, but they weren't a bitch like P.Chem was by a long shot.

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I was actually an English major, but decided to go into computer science because I couldn't hack it. It took a while to overcome my lack of fear when in social situations and my ability communicate with other people outside of emails, but eventually I made my way through and now enjoy a fruitful career.
To be a proper English major, you must master the fine art of bullshitting. This also helps when you're writing NIH grants. :)
 
Completely and totally disagree with your second paragraph. I don't think the majority of students, at least in the sciences, got into their major because they couldn't hack it in another. I think they got into it because they liked it, or because they found it a nice challenge. I also think there's quite a few people in the world who could do any major. In fact, I know quite a few people like me who majored in both a social science and a natural science to round themselves out (in fact we had a club for it). I can tell you this from personal experience: the social science classes were easy -- I could ace them in my sleep. I actually had to do some work for the science classes. It's true, there's aptitude to consider. But then I would be willing to place almost any amount of money on the bet that a successful (that's key) physics major could breeze through a communications major. They may hate every minute of it, but they could easily do it.
Maybe 'couldn't cut it' was a bit extreme in my wording. But you sort of hit my second point with your Physics major example. Maybe he could breeze through a communications major, but if decides not to because he would hate it ... then do you see where I'm going with that?

At some point we choose our respective focuses, and whether it comes down to ability, intellect, or interest, we eschew the others. I just think it's arrogance and folly for someone to dismiss the other subjects that he decided not to peruse, just because he decided not to peruse them.*

And I have no doubt that there are people who can, and will try to do everything. A modern renaissance man. Heck, I sort of aspire to be one myself. But people who actually do that are far and few between, and so if I fail at being that incredibly well rounded, well ... it won't be that surprising.



* - I don't know about this 'Communications' everyone is talking about. I have never met a communications major, and I don't really know what it entails. Is it a business thing? Because if it is, it sounds like a joke. I have no problem with dismissing specific programs based on whatever criteria, but the trend seems to be to dismiss everything but your own area of focus.
 
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Chazwozel

At some point we choose our respective focuses, and whether it comes down to ability, intellect, or interest, we eschew the others. I just think it's arrogance and folly for someone to dismiss the other subjects that he decided not to peruse, just because he decided not to peruse them.*

And I have no doubt that there are people who can, and will try to do everything. A modern renaissance man. Heck, I sort of aspire to be one myself. But people who actually do that are far and few between, and so if I fail at being that incredibly well rounded, well ... it won't be that surprising.
I don't think saying a subject is easy necessarily dismisses it. I find art, literature, and theater to be extremely important to humanity (the humanities durrr), but I wouldn't necessarily rank them as being the most difficult things in the world to grasp with a little bit of research and motivation. But that's also the beauty of them, they're meant for everyone to understand and enjoy, at their own pace so to speak. Science and Engineering is not like that at all. It's a fast paced, competitive area of study with a lot of complicated concepts that can be very, very abstract to most individuals. To this day, I couldn't for the life of me know where to begin with figuring out physics questions. Once I had someone show me the equations to start with, I was fine. I could hack it in undergrad Physics but I knew I'd tank at the graduate level, and I like to think of myself as a hard working student. Hell, I knew bright kids in grad school who completely and utterly failed hard. These people were driven and motivated towards their subject. That sort of stuff just doesn't happen in humanities.
 
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