I Hate this Song.

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They can fall madly in love because they don't have the experience and don't think about the consequences. That doesn't mean it's not real. In fact, it's one of those things that ought to be admired, because it never comes back.
It's not real. That's not love; it's infatuation. If your 13 year old daughter/niece/sister/whatever comes to you and tells you that she's fallen madly, truly in love with the 16 year old she met today and is going to marry him, would you admire her?
 
Yeah, I don't really see the reason for the dickishness, either, which is why I didn't post any more snippy retorts.It's not like we're arguing the answer to a math problem or something. It's personal interpretation. I actually agree that the play is beautifully written, and that the teenagers were passionate about each other -- you can read that on the page. Obviously everyone here has read the play and is willing to look beyond the surface, and that's not even why I was griping in the first place. I was griping about morons that cite or use the play and don't even know wtf they're talking about. So I really don't see any reason for all the sniping, except this is Halforums, and that's what we do here.
Well you did come off as kinda an ass when you dismissed every point Juski was making with a "I'm going back to English class" which implied that ultimately it wasn't a matter of agreeing to disagree you were right he was wrong and you had the English major.

And I don't think that anybody past the age of 16 doesn't know that Romeo and Juliet die in the end. They just have a different understanding of it.
 
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Lally

I wasn't trying to dismiss his points. Like I said before, I agree with him in his justification, just not the end conclusion that they were actually deeply in love. The "take a high school English class" comment actually really hurt my feelings so rather than let myself get more worked up over it, I decided to pick up my toys and go home. That's all.
 
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Chazwozel

No really, you started off by saying that R&J is about how teenagers are stupid and not love... and that's why it's used badly in the song... that's what i objected too... then this turned into lit 101...
Dude.... shut up.
 

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They can fall madly in love because they don't have the experience and don't think about the consequences. That doesn't mean it's not real. In fact, it's one of those things that ought to be admired, because it never comes back.
It's not real. That's not love; it's infatuation. If your 13 year old daughter/niece/sister/whatever comes to you and tells you that she's fallen madly, truly in love with the 16 year old she met today and is going to marry him, would you admire her?[/QUOTE]

Emphatically, yes. Would I permit her to do it? No. Would I think it was stupid? Yes. Admire her? In many ways. Again, not mutually exclusive.

I totally disagree with you that it's not "real". Is not feasible, but that's not the same thing.
 
They can fall madly in love because they don't have the experience and don't think about the consequences. That doesn't mean it's not real. In fact, it's one of those things that ought to be admired, because it never comes back.
It's not real. That's not love; it's infatuation. If your 13 year old daughter/niece/sister/whatever comes to you and tells you that she's fallen madly, truly in love with the 16 year old she met today and is going to marry him, would you admire her?[/QUOTE]

But somehow i don't think i would be threatening to throw her in the street unless she married someone else (that's prob even older) either...


@Chazwozel

Give me a good reason to and i will...
 

ElJuski

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Once again, if we took Shakespeare literally, especially 500 years away from the society he lived in...well, of course there's going to be discrepensies. I think most people are looking at the age thing a wee bit too critically from the rose-tinted glasses of the 20-aughts. By easing up a bit for cultural context, and by giving to the fact that Shakespearean drama is emotionally poignant but often intense instead of realistic or rational, and it's actually much easier to justify the whole Romeo and Juliet thing.

Oh, and Lally--apologies. I got bent out of shape and hit the ground running when Chaz laid out the "retarded" thing, amongst all the other snark that was piling up around the place. Obviously I played my hand as yet another asshole, and I'm sorry. You can bring your toys back!

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Once again, if we took Shakespeare literally, especially 500 years away from the society he lived in...well, of course there's going to be discrepensies. I think most people are looking at the age thing a wee bit too critically from the rose-tinted glasses of the 20-aughts. By easing up a bit for cultural context, and by giving to the fact that Shakespearean drama is emotionally poignant but often intense instead of realistic or rational, and it's actually much easier to justify the whole Romeo and Juliet thing.

Oh, and Lally--apologies. I got bent out of shape and hit the ground running when Chaz laid out the "retarded" thing, amongst all the other snark that was piling up around the place. Obviously I played my hand as yet another asshole, and I'm sorry. You can bring your toys back!
 
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Armadillo

I hate hate HATE the Black Eyed Peas ever since they got that pants-pissing doofus to be their female lead. They went from one of the best hip-hop groups going to a parody of a bad pop group in no time flat.

Here's my evidence. Before:



After (same song, but who the fuck can tell?):

 
So anyway, from 7am to 4pm when I clocked out, the song in my OP played 8x.... EIGHT TIMES!!!!!! EIGHT BLOODY BRAIN MELTING TIMES!!!!
 
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Lally

Oh, and Lally--apologies. I got bent out of shape and hit the ground running when Chaz laid out the "retarded" thing, amongst all the other snark that was piling up around the place. Obviously I played my hand as yet another asshole, and I'm sorry. You can bring your toys back!
It's funny that I was trying to call out someone who obviously has no idea what she is talking about -- remember, this is the songwriter that refers to herself as the Scarlet Letter... I think it's safe to say she's not a lit major -- and ended up bickering with someone that obviously has as much appreciation for the study of literature as I do. I was snippy too, so I apologize for that... and although I do stand by the notion that people trying to compare themselves to a crazy couple of kids like Romeo & Juliet are kinda what's wrong with people's whole notion of love, I can understand the desire to compare your personal experience of love with the uninhibited, passionate lust of young people feeling such things for the first time.
 
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Chazwozel

They can fall madly in love because they don't have the experience and don't think about the consequences. That doesn't mean it's not real. In fact, it's one of those things that ought to be admired, because it never comes back.
It's not real. That's not love; it's infatuation. If your 13 year old daughter/niece/sister/whatever comes to you and tells you that she's fallen madly, truly in love with the 16 year old she met today and is going to marry him, would you admire her?[/QUOTE]

But somehow i don't think i would be threatening to throw her in the street unless she married someone else (that's prob even older) either...


@Chazwozel

Give me a good reason to and i will...[/QUOTE]

Translation: "It's a free country, make me". Nice schoolyard retort. Don't shut up then. Be my guest and continue making yourself look like a moron.
 

ElJuski

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Chaz, I'm just saying, I don't think I've seen you add anything of value into this discussion other then calling people retarded.
 
@Chazwozel

Give me a good reason to and i will...
Translation: "It's a free country, make me". Nice schoolyard retort. Don't shut up then. Be my guest and continue making yourself look like a moron.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, God forbid you actually explain why i'm being a moron instead of just making a blanket claim... giving reasons is so "schoolyard"...


It's funny that I was trying to call out someone who obviously has no idea what she is talking about --

I can understand the desire to compare your personal experience of love with the uninhibited, passionate lust of young people feeling such things for the first time.
Well there you go, something we can agree on...
 

ElJuski

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EpicEpileptic

There are a few songs that I find pretty annoying but the only one that I can think of right now, because I heard it on the way to class this morning, is "Jukebox Hero" by Forigner. I fuckibg can't stand that song. It's one of a few songs that gets me annoyed to the point of anger. The thing is I don't know why I hate it so much. I just do. I might post a video of it when I get home, but that also means having look it up on YouTube.
 

ElJuski

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now it's a back to school guide sponsored by UGO. =/ the ads don't think I'm worth it to know how to keep a woman. Or a pet.

*glares at dog*
 
All i got was:

Find true love. Experience the amazing love of God...



I wonder if that still involves a virgin pregnancy...
 
New hate song:

Disco Stick by Lady Gaga, it's being played at least 6-7x a day while I'm at work..... I really hate this station..... :eek:rly:
 

ElJuski

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It was a she.

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And I wish I did :(
 

Cajungal

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New hate song:

Disco Stick by Lady Gaga, it's being played at least 6-7x a day while I'm at work..... I really hate this station..... :eek:rly:
I keep hearing about this woman. Usually I'm exposed to popular music through ringtones and my grocery store, but not this time. I haven't heard her once. Guess it's time to youtube...
 
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