Foreshadowing death or just pointless thoughts?

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This post is completely at odds with what you said before.

Do you or do you not care about your niece. Even if you can explain it away as a result of your love for your brother, there's a paternal instinct there. And that doesn't come without familial concern.
I... both? Hm.

There's no attachment there, directly anyway. I see her as I see any other child walking around the world, though she gets different treatment from me, on a mental/consious level anyway, due to the fact that she is my brother's daughter. If anything were to happen to her, it'd hurt him, and in that sense, I'd try and prevent that.

That help or did I make things more convoluted?

Oh, and thanks for chiming in Shannow.
 
You went to a party in a particularly interesting mood, and you saw happiness, and filtered through your life experience you could only feel a sense of loss.

If I were writing a book and you were one of my main characters, then the reason they would feel that way is because they actively mourning the loss/death of their own childhood. They are seeing and truly understanding for the first time exactly what they didn't have, and while they are projecting it on the real child, it is merely an embodiment of their own inner child. At 4 years old they are seeing the child as a real human being - the child has ideas, thoughts, etc that are independent from their parents. No longer babies or toddlers the child is a self-aware human being. Someone with whom they can have a conversation. Which may be why they haven't felt this way before when visiting her, in addition to the huge party.

But I'm not even a writer, nevermind a psychologist.

Still, rather than rejecting it as pointless thoughts, consider it further and see if there's something there that you might want to re-evaluate in your own life. You can't go around experiencing all the love and happiness in the world as dark foreboding shadows - it's not healthy (mentally) and to some degree it's anti-social - you may choose to avoid situations and people that might bring on these morose feelings.

Generally such feelings are important, but they are important in telling you something about yourself, not in telling you something important about someone else.

-Adam
 
Well, for starters, thanks for the really interesting thought process there Steinman, I did stop and "hmmmmm" after reading it. Couple of points though:

I actually had a very full and "loving" childhood, at least until I was 15. So my early years are pretty typical of the "well off, religious family, youngest child" life.

For your second half though, I don't really value love and happiness as things in my life as I just don't have much grasp on either one. It's more of a "put up with and accept things the way they are and enjoy them for however long they last" outlook. As for anti-social? That's pretty much the nail on the head, but I prefer it that way. I currently work in an extremely face-to-face enviroment and would give anything for a cubicle where the only thing I look at everyday is a stack of paperwork and a monitor.
 
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Andromache

I actually had a very full and "loving" childhood, at least until I was 15. So my early years are pretty typical of the "well off, religious family, youngest child" life.
how does any of that translate into loving?
 
I actually had a very full and "loving" childhood, at least until I was 15. So my early years are pretty typical of the "well off, religious family, youngest child" life.
how does any of that translate into loving?[/QUOTE]
It means daddy bought her a pony when she was 10 so she "felt" loved.
But hey. She did put loving in quotes, so I'm guessing she wouldn't be surprised if it was just daddy getting her out of his hair for a summer of afternoons.
 

Dave

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All parents have this type of worry. It's natural. Just don't let your paranoia become too consuming and become overprotective.

I know she's not yours, but maybe that biological clock is ticking, eh?
 
I actually had a very full and "loving" childhood, at least until I was 15. So my early years are pretty typical of the "well off, religious family, youngest child" life.
how does any of that translate into loving?[/QUOTE]

You're right. It doesn't. I'll clarify.

It means daddy bought her a pony when she was 10 so she "felt" loved.
But hey. She did put loving in quotes, so I'm guessing she wouldn't be surprised if it was just daddy getting her out of his hair for a summer of afternoons.
Was there for every special occassion, spent time with me even when swamped with work at home, took me on alot of work vacations just to be sure I'd have a good time instead of being left at home, etc etc etc

I know she's not yours, but maybe that biological clock is ticking, eh?
:rofl:
I haven't laughed that hard all month. Thanks Dave! :D-:thumbsup:
 

North_Ranger

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Nah, she'll be okay. Brilliant kids usually dumb down with age.

Besides, every child who dies tragically or disappears is presented as a little angel that can do no wrong. Madeleine McCann, anyone? It sells papers and gets viewers better than "rugrat from hell gets squashed by a 400-pound hippo" or "that little glue-eating bastard had it coming".
 
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Andromache

Was there for every special occassion, spent time with me even when swamped with work at home, took me on alot of work vacations just to be sure I'd have a good time instead of being left at home, etc etc etc
until age 15. you already know my thoughts on the rest of that matter, from our days in WoW, so I won't say anything else that might broach your privacy. But what happened to you at age 15 then is not the act of a loving parent.
 
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Andromache

It's the act of parents who puts religion before family/children.
and what love is in that?

Ive said it before, and youve admitted it, but lets kick the can one more time.

What, my dear (namewithheld) is love? How do you know?
 
I think it seems like some sense of seeing too much bad news. You never hear about the perfect person that goes to college, gets a fulfilling career, meets the love of her life, and has children, and dies living a full life. But if a 7 year old dies, it's a big deal. It's also a factor of no one ever maligning the dead. If some 6-year old girl dies that was a real piece of shit and tortured kitties, the news story is still going to be about what a precious angel she was.
 

North_Ranger

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I think it seems like some sense of seeing too much bad news. You never hear about the perfect person that goes to college, gets a fulfilling career, meets the love of her life, and has children, and dies living a full life. But if a 7 year old dies, it's a big deal. It's also a factor of no one ever maligning the dead. If some 6-year old girl dies that was a real piece of shit and tortured kitties, the news story is still going to be about what a precious angel she was.
Basically what I said a couple of posts before ya, Charlie.
 
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Gill Kaiser

Firstly, do you seriously believe all the newspapers when they state that the latest dead child was 'loved by all'? Of course the people who knew a child who has died suddenly will only have good things to say about him/her to the media. It's not like only good kids die.

Secondly, you only ever hear about the ones that die. You don't hear about the significant majority who do not die, the reason being that "child has happy childhood, does not die" is not newsworthy. If every intelligent, beloved child had a higher risk of dying prematurely, the human race would be a lot more fucked.
 
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RealBigNuke

What, my dear (namewithheld) is love?
Rrrngh... Must not... let a link to Haddaway song be my only contribution...

Shego, your fears are nothing but an unreasonable but also very common and human notion you've gotten from being around too much media. Your niece has no greater odds of dying than any other girl her age. Significantly lower, actually, if she's smart and comes from an affluent family.

A girl that was 'loved by all' and died is more likely to make an impacting story than a girl who wasn't, so they are the ones that get the coverage. Even if they weren't perfect, they'll still be portrayed that way for this purpose. You've seen, "Perfect girl with affluent family, loved by all, dies tragic death" so many times that when you see "Perfect girl with affluent family, loved by all" you just kind of fill that last part in, despite it's incredibly low probability.

... In conclusion, don't worry about it! She's extremely likely to live long enough to have her mind corroded and her innocence trod all over just like the rest of us.
 
Someone needs to tell him HE'S DOING IT WRONG![/SIZE]
His "God" did I'm sure. He went blind from diabetes, my mother got breast cancer and lost her breast, my sister nearly broke her back, can barely walk around anymore, and she lost the court case against her workplace for the injury, while losing her daughter in a custody battle against her ex-husband.

Yeah, "God" really loves them. :rofl:
 
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Deschain

Hmm I choose 'pointless thoughts' based on the fact that logic dictates those traits will probably take her far in life, not kill her. If she was ugly, fat, suffering from genetics diseases, lonely, terrible family life, terrible living situation, I would put her survival rate much lower. There's no reason I would switch them around.
 
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