The G20 Protests.

[crono1224]

but... who watches the watchers?

Too complicated.

And there are already internal investigation units that are suppose to check the police, as well you can file lawsuits against them.

The problem is there does have to be checks in balances sure but if they are scrutinized too much it doesn't let them really preform on their feet as well. Almost same problem with health care and the 1000 test you are given just to try and cover their asses.

 

[ThatGrinningIdiot!]

I was thinking today, and cops need checks and balances just like everything else in the government. There should be a whole NEW public sector devoted to nick-picking everything a cop does and make sure everything done is legal and constitutional.

They do, it's called Internal Affairs, or Military police for the army, or any higher tier of authority.

Point is, cops are checked and re-checked to a very high degree. They'e required to file a report whenever they finish the shift, or an incident occurs. Le Quack, why don't you swallow your prejudice and actually talk to a cop about how he/she does their job.

 

[Frank]

If you knew the fucking paperwork involved in picking up a drunk bum and tossing him the tank for the night.

 

[Twitch]

Le Quack really hates cops at an extreme level and I would like to give him a chance to explain why he thinks this of police before everyone jumps on him.

 

[AshburnerX]

Cops keeping an eye on Cops doesn't sit well with me... it should be a department unrelated to the Police, headed by someone elected by the people. Shenanigans go unanswered for, replace the head of the department with someone who will.

 

[Krisken]

I want to add how impressed I am with everyone in this thread. There were times it could have spiraled down into the dredge as most threads like this inhabit, but for the most part it has remained fairly respectful and at times even light hearted.

Kudos.

 

[ThatGrinningIdiot!]

I want to add how impressed I am with everyone in this thread. There were times it could have spiraled down into the dredge as most threads like this inhabit, but for the most part it has remained fairly respectful and at times even light hearted.

Kudos.

I hope you burn in the immortal fires of Gehenna. *rage*

 

[crono1224]

I want to add how impressed I am with everyone in this thread. There were times it could have spiraled down into the dredge as most threads like this inhabit, but for the most part it has remained fairly respectful and at times even light hearted.

Kudos.

Your mother is a whore

 

[SpecialKO]

Anything that gets the job done is fine by me.

Heh. Now that's pretty funny.

... so we can read fun stories like this on the internet![/QUOTE]

If the Pittsburgh police managed to disperse by the riots by dressing up in pink gorilla suits, singing a song, and dancing, I would nominate them for BEST POLICE ACTION EVAAR!!!!1
:toocool:

 

[Krisken]

I want to add how impressed I am with everyone in this thread. There were times it could have spiraled down into the dredge as most threads like this inhabit, but for the most part it has remained fairly respectful and at times even light hearted.

Kudos.

Your mother is a whore [/QUOTE]
You can't say things like that without dealing with her pimp.

 

[Covar]

I was thinking today, and cops need checks and balances just like everything else in the government. There should be a whole NEW public sector devoted to nick-picking everything a cop does and make sure everything done is legal and constitutional.

They do, it's called Internal Affairs, or Military police for the army, or any higher tier of authority.

Point is, cops are checked and re-checked to a very high degree. They'e required to file a report whenever they finish the shift, or an incident occurs. Le Quack, why don't you swallow your prejudice and actually talk to a cop about how he/she does their job.[/QUOTE]
Inspector General in the Army. The Military Police just head up the enforcement of the UCMJ. The Inspector General is the branch responsible for investigating corruption.

 

[JCM]

I can't believe nobody has posted these videos. It makes me ashamed to be an american. I don't care if you \"understand where the cops are coming from.\" They should not have the power to do this, and they should all be held legally responsible for breaching human rights.








MSNBC cuts off Hugo Chavez to show this.

To me, this is something to fear. Suppressed by our own state.

Speaking as an active protester, and I have never been beaten by a cop, here are 3 tips-

1) See cops with their sticks out coming towards you? Dont scream obscenities in his face, put your hands behind your head, and obey anyting he says, he´s doing his job. 90% of the time he´ll just ignore you and focus the head of the hippie next to you screaming about "the pigs"

2) Your protest is blocking off traffic and disturbing people to the level where you see riot control guns/tools being taken out? Stand aside, kneel/lie down and enjoy observing the chaos around.

3) Your protest has gotten too far and you see a big armored truck or two? Get the fuck out of there.

While I'm against police aggression, its easy to follow procedure when its one or two cops against an unruly drunk, but another game when you are against 10-100 people per cops with some dicks just itching to take out their frustrations by throwing stones on a cop.

 

[Chazwozel]

Is there a place you can sign up to help cops billy-club hippies protesting over nonsense?

 

[JCM]

Start with these guys, work your way up

 

[tegid]

I think it's nonsense, therefore let's hit them! Come on guys...

I only watched about half of the first video, and what I see is policemen trying to scare people. I think they should have gone about it some other way but oh well. What I want to ask is, you people talking about 'what happened previosly' aren't talking about that video, right? Because in that video that doesn't matter. If, for instance, the protesters had been violent, the police should have acted in that same moment against the people who were being violent. If the protesters insulted the policement, just suck it. Dunno, I don't see what they were doing wrong.

EDIT: Ah, and all those 'let's bludgeon hippies comments' make me think there are policemen hit-happy who hit people without a real valid reason in these cases and that some of you people support them. I hope it's not like that, 'cause it'd terrible.

 

[Le Quack]

I don't hate cops; they are just people. I hate the way cops get indoctrinated not to think for themselves and the way they militarize cops. My dream job is a forensic analyst for the FBI. That's obviously a cop job. What I do hate are cops trying to meet quotas, cops abusing their authority, and cops trying their damnest to get you to do something wrong. I also hate it when cops screw up and try to hide it. I read somewhere where they bust a guy growing ONE plant of marijuana and told them reporters than an ounce of the weed went for 6000 dollars. Thats utter bullshit and a lie. I hate cops that don't know what they are talking about, and I hate cops that don't understand that they aren't above the law. Cops are necessary, and should be kept in their place. They are paid to SERVE US, not try and CATCH US.

The video I posted about the undercover cops happened two days after the "real" protest and problems. They were just there watching the scene. The undercover cops at the REAL protest didn't get filmed because nobody had known that they were being watched by undercover cops.

 

[Rob King]

So, the conversation regarding agents provocateurs came to mind when I saw this site.

What do we think? I don't agree with planting undercover cops to provoke a crowd into illegal action, but how about leaving easily-stealable cars around as bait for car thieves?

 

[sixpackshaker]

So, the conversation regarding agents provocateurs came to mind when I saw this site.

What do we think? I don't agree with planting undercover cops to provoke a crowd into illegal action, but how about leaving easily-stealable cars around as bait for car thieves?

So, you support car thieves right to steal unlocked cars?

 

[Iaculus]

So, the conversation regarding agents provocateurs came to mind when I saw this site.

What do we think? I don't agree with planting undercover cops to provoke a crowd into illegal action, but how about leaving easily-stealable cars around as bait for car thieves?

Making it easy isn't the same as pressuring someone into it. Still their uninfluenced choice.

 

[Rob King]

So, you support car thieves right to steal unlocked cars?

No. I was asking the question. I personally think it's a fantastic idea, and it has the added benefit of yielding entertaining video that has been distributed on the internet.

It's just that, earlier someone said something along the lines of "The job of the police is to protect you, not to catch you." Following this philosophy, it seems that the bait-cars would be just as bad as agents provocateurs.

 

[Eriol]

Why is publicly-disrupting protest allowed at all? If you want to have a rally against the G20 (or G8, or Bush, or Clinton, or Obama, or the ruler of Timbuktu), rent a damned hall, or conference center, and HAVE ONE! Don't disrupt the rest of us who ALSO paid for that public space, and just feel like walking down the street. Buy advertising, get your message out, but don't block my access to public facilities either with your "cause". There's plenty of ways to get your message out without being disruptive.

And so many talk about taking away their right to free assembly, well isn't that more or less what they want to do for the G20 participants? Blocking access to buildings, etc.

 

[sixpackshaker]

Why is publicly-disrupting protest allowed at all?

We have the freedom of assembly. Then government curtails that right when it begins to interfere with public safety and the normal functioning of a city.

Also if you set up out of the public eye, your message will not get out.

 

[Le Quack]

Oh look, Cops being douches.

Cops shoot homeowner even after the 911 operator tells them hes holding the burglar at gun point. Cops try to them cover up their mistake, after shooting him 6 times in the back. Cops are always right, aren't they?

http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/09/26/the-look-from-the-rear.aspx?ref=rss

 

[Iaculus]

Oh look, Cops being douches.

Cops shoot homeowner even after the 911 operator tells them hes holding the burglar at gun point. Cops try to them cover up their mistake, after shooting him 6 times in the back. Cops are always right, aren't they?

http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/09/26/the-look-from-the-rear.aspx?ref=rss

... And what does this have to do with the matter at hand?

 

[Covar]

And so many talk about taking away their right to free assembly, well isn't that more or less what they want to do for the G20 participants? Blocking access to buildings, etc.

Freedom to peacefully assemble means that the government can not prevent crowd from gathering. A second group of private citizens that prevent you from doing so does not infringe upon your right. Another example is freedom of the press. The government cannot prevent you from writing an article for a newspaper, that does not mean that Newspapers must print your article.

 

[sixpackshaker]

Oh look, Cops being douches.

Cops shoot homeowner even after the 911 operator tells them hes holding the burglar at gun point. Cops try to them cover up their mistake, after shooting him 6 times in the back. Cops are always right, aren't they?

http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/09/26/the-look-from-the-rear.aspx?ref=rss

I hope you never have to make a life or death decision. These guys make them on damn near a daily basis.

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yep, they screwed the pooch. and instead of doing right afterward they got worried about the guy that screwed up's career. They will face charges for misconduct and lose their badges.

 

[AshburnerX]

Oh look, Cops being douches.

Cops shoot homeowner even after the 911 operator tells them hes holding the burglar at gun point. Cops try to them cover up their mistake, after shooting him 6 times in the back. Cops are always right, aren't they?

http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/09/26/the-look-from-the-rear.aspx?ref=rss

I hope you never have to make a life or death decision. These guys make them on damn near a daily basis.[/QUOTE]

They still made a deplorable decision to try and weasel out of it by trying to get the gun seller to say it was an illegal firearm (He wouldn't play ball) and then trying to pin drug charges on the guy they shot, despite him never having visited those states. I'd chalk them up a mulligan if they'd have copped to it, but they tried to subvert their power instead. THIS is why no one trusts the police.

 

[SeraRelm]

Oh look, Le Quack being a douche.

http://www.halforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9613

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THIS is why no one trusts those particular police officers.

FTFY.

 

[Kitty Sinatra]

It's what makes it hard to trust them, absolutely. I believe that most cops aren't like that but how do I know what kind of cop I'm dealing with? It makes the whole police/public interaction too adversarial and it saddens me.

(and this is relevant to the thread because someone asked the duck why he hated cops)

 

[SeraRelm]

Now they HAVE gone too far!

 

[Le Quack]

Oh look, the cop that shot him 6 times in the back gets off scott free.
http://www.kpho.com/news/21121206/detail.html

 

[AshburnerX]

Oh look, the cop that shot him 6 times in the back gets off scott free.
http://www.kpho.com/news/21121206/detail.html

They better hope he takes a settlement for his sum... chances are good that he'll win if they can prove that he was shot while on the ground.

 

[IronBrig4]

Protests have an unfortunate tendency to attract individuals with AUTHORITY ISSUES. You know exactly who I'm talking about. They're the people who scream bloody murder when they get pulled over and the cop asks to search their trunk. They're the people who start kicking and screaming when airport security checks their bags. Maybe their parents should've spanked them when they were kids. That would've put them in their place. Just because they're protesting doesn't mean they're Nelson Mandela.

The cops are definitely in a Catch 22 situation. They HAVE to wear that riot gear because protests can easily turn into riots. The smashed business windows also give every indication that the protest is NOT peaceful. Those goddamn hippies think they can smash stuff up but then start with the "Ow! Ow! He bwoke my widdle arm!" when the cops react. Seriously, they need to grow a pair. I spent the last year in South Korea and the police there really come down hard on protesters.

If I could ever have a wish granted by something like the Make A Wish Foundation, I'd ask to be taken to the next G8, G20, or WTO summit and be the first to turn a fire hose on those hippies. I could die a happy man. Ain't I a stinker?

 

[North_Ranger]

Protests have an unfortunate tendency to attract individuals with AUTHORITY ISSUES. You know exactly who I'm talking about. They're the people who scream bloody murder when they get pulled over and the cop asks to search their trunk. They're the people who start kicking and screaming when airport security checks their bags. Maybe their parents should've spanked them when they were kids. That would've put them in their place. Just because they're protesting doesn't mean they're Nelson Mandela.

The cops are definitely in a Catch 22 situation. They HAVE to wear that riot gear because protests can easily turn into riots. The smashed business windows also give every indication that the protest is NOT peaceful. Those goddamn hippies think they can smash stuff up but then start with the "Ow! Ow! He bwoke my widdle arm!" when the cops react. Seriously, they need to grow a pair. I spent the last year in South Korea and the police there really come down hard on protesters.

If I could ever have a wish granted by something like the Make A Wish Foundation, I'd ask to be taken to the next G8, G20, or WTO summit and be the first to turn a fire hose on those hippies. I could die a happy man. Ain't I a stinker?

Nope.

Maybe you would be if you were hosing them with worcestershire sauce and throwing slices of beef at them... but honestly, who wouldn't do that?

 

[Rob King]

Maybe you would be if you were hosing them with worcestershire sauce and throwing slices of beef at them... but honestly, who wouldn't do that?

As an aside, I have never learned how to speak this word. I cook with it all the time. My father always used it growing up, but he never spoke it's name out loud either. It's been a part of my life, but I have no verbal tag to attach to it. We've always just avoided referring to it by name.

Is it wor-chest-er-shire sauce?