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I can't believe nobody has posted these videos. It makes me ashamed to be an american. I don't care if you "understand where the cops are coming from." They should not have the power to do this, and they should all be held legally responsible for breaching human rights.









MSNBC cuts off Hugo Chavez to show this.


To me, this is something to fear. Suppressed by our own state.

And people say I'm wrong when I say the police have too much power and abuse it routinely.

I think the beating of G20 protesters is kinda funny...

"Guys! Let's break the law then bitch about it when we get in trouble for it!"

All I'm sayin' on this topic. Peace.

The point is that they didn't break the law. They had maybe 5-10 people who were protesting, and the rest were college students on their campus. The police should NOT have this type of power.

I'll have to do some research before I have an opinion on this one. Just out of curiosity, what law are they supposedly breaking? From where I sit it looks like Police intimidation.

Krisken said:

I'll have to do some research before I have an opinion on this one. Just out of curiosity, what law are they supposedly breaking? From where I sit it looks like Police intimidation.

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Illegal Assembly is one I heard (not necessarily in this instance) because you need a permit to protest in Pittsburgh.

I'm not sure I understand. Protesters got rowdy, police reacted, and somehow we're living in Nazi Germany?

Protesters only got rowdy AFTER the police reacted.

We're actually living in pre-union times. This is how the police treated strikers back then.

Rob King said:

I'm not sure I understand. Protesters got rowdy, police reacted, and somehow we're living in Nazi Germany?

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Don't you get it, maaaaan? They have, like, power and stuff. We can't do what we want. It's like we're in the Soviet Union!

Le Quack said:

Protesters only got rowdy AFTER the police reacted.

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Did they? I saw police reacting, and then protesters getting rowdy, but I have no reason to trust that the protesters didn't stir shit up before the man with the camera hit 'record.'

I guess what I'm saying is I wasn't there, and those videos don't convince me. I do, however, have trust in law enforcement and disdain for hippies and anarchists.

Gruebeard;264127][quote=Krisken said:

I'll have to do some research before I have an opinion on this one. Just out of curiosity, what law are they supposedly breaking? From where I sit it looks like Police intimidation.

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Illegal Assembly is one I heard (not necessarily in this instance) because you need a permit to protest in Pittsburgh.[/QUOTE]
Which I vehemently oppose. I'm one of those who feel the First Amendment protects the right to protest and that shouldn't be taxed in any way.

Rob King;264135][quote=Le Quack said:

Protesters only got rowdy AFTER the police reacted.

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Did they? I saw police reacting, and then protesters getting rowdy, but I have no reason to trust that the protesters didn't stir shit up before the man with the camera hit 'record.'

I guess what I'm saying is I wasn't there, and those videos don't convince me. I do, however, have trust in law enforcement and disdain for hippies and anarchists.[/QUOTE]

Considering the police in this country have a rich and well documented history of infiltrating crowds of dissenters and having these members cause trouble to allow the police to bust heads, I wouldn't be at all surprised if some funny business was afoot here.

Krisken;264138][quote=Gruebeard;264127][quote=Krisken said:

I'll have to do some research before I have an opinion on this one. Just out of curiosity, what law are they supposedly breaking? From where I sit it looks like Police intimidation.

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Illegal Assembly is one I heard (not necessarily in this instance) because you need a permit to protest in Pittsburgh.[/QUOTE]
Which I vehemently oppose. I'm one of those who feel the First Amendment protects the right to protest and that shouldn't be taxed in any way.[/QUOTE]

Now ... I've never heard of this before, but it makes sense to me. Protests cost the public money. Even peaceful ones. Taxing it seems sensible. Otherwise, the money paying the public servants responsible for cleaning up has to come from somewhere. Public works budget? Education budget perhaps?

Then you have people uninvolved, and even people who disagree with the protesters essentially paying for the rally.

Krisken;264138][quote=Gruebeard;264127][quote=Krisken said:

I'll have to do some research before I have an opinion on this one. Just out of curiosity, what law are they supposedly breaking? From where I sit it looks like Police intimidation.

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Illegal Assembly is one I heard (not necessarily in this instance) because you need a permit to protest in Pittsburgh.[/QUOTE]
Which I vehemently oppose. I'm one of those who feel the First Amendment protects the right to protest and that shouldn't be taxed in any way.[/QUOTE]

Yea, needing a permit to assemble is something that should be done away with.

Durr...they're having a meeting about how to help dee environment durr....

durr...let's protest...we'll really contribute to the meeting and push our ideas through durrr....

durrr...let's hang ourselves from a bridge...durrr

If the police didn't interview, I might have just made a trip out to Pittsburgh to bust up some hippies.

Wow, that's all I can say, Chaz.

Gruebeard said:

We're actually living in pre-union times. This is how the police treated strikers back then.

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So how many are dead? shot? bloodied? broken bones?

sixpackshaker;264156][quote=Gruebeard said:

We're actually living in pre-union times. This is how the police treated strikers back then.

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So how many are dead? shot? bloodied? broken bones?[/QUOTE]

You'll never here. Hiding these numbers is part of our Vast Rightwing Conspiracy (R).

I've said to much already.

Covar;264157][quote=sixpackshaker;264156][quote=Gruebeard said:

We're actually living in pre-union times. This is how the police treated strikers back then.

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So how many are dead? shot? bloodied? broken bones?[/quote]

You'll never here. Hiding these numbers is part of our Vast Rightwing Conspiracy (R).

I've said to much already.[/QUOTE]
I literally facepalmed when Clinton said that. Both times.

Le Quack said:

Wow, that's all I can say, Chaz.

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Oh you don't like that I support the bludgeoning of morons?

The problem with Youtube videos is that the users often edit them to make a point. We don't see what happened before the videos start, so we don't have all the information we need to come to a conclusion. As such, I'm going to reserve final comment.

Krisken: agreed on the permit to assemble. It's a fundamental right that should not be infringed upon, unless it violates another person's fundamental rights.

Chazwozel;264166][quote=Le Quack said:

Wow, that's all I can say, Chaz.

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Oh you don't like that I support the bludgeoning of morons?[/QUOTE]
I don't like that you think you can choose who the morons are. I'm sure plenty of people would bludgeon you given the chance.

Krisken;264163][quote=Covar;264157][quote=sixpackshaker;264156][quote=Gruebeard said:

We're actually living in pre-union times. This is how the police treated strikers back then.

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So how many are dead? shot? bloodied? broken bones?[/quote]

You'll never here. Hiding these numbers is part of our Vast Rightwing Conspiracy (R).

I've said to much already.[/QUOTE]
I literally facepalmed when Clinton said that. Both times.[/QUOTE]
My problem is that we, much like the Jewish League, have difficulty doing anything of relevance. I mean sure Bob Costas succeeded in planting Bill Clinton's sperm on Monica's dress, but since then we've really been having trouble focusing.

aranoid:

On the one hand, I feel for the people getting teargassed, on the other hand, they're G20 protesters so I don't. On average this gets a "meh".

Krisken;264170][quote=Chazwozel;264166][quote=Le Quack said:

Wow, that's all I can say, Chaz.

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Oh you don't like that I support the bludgeoning of morons?[/QUOTE]
I don't like that you think you can choose who the morons are. I'm sure plenty of people would bludgeon you given the chance.[/QUOTE]
I doubt that bothers him.

G20 protesters would probably get a lot more sympathy were it not for the rock-throwing and business-window-smashing that seems to follow them everywhere. You'll note that this sort of thing hasn't occurred at the Tea Party protests or that march on Washington a couple of weeks ago. I'm a-just sayin'...

Armadillo said:

G20 protesters would probably get a lot more sympathy were it not for the rock-throwing and business-window-smashing that seems to follow them everywhere. You'll note that this sort of thing hasn't occurred at the Tea Party protests or that march on Washington a couple of weeks ago. I'm a-just sayin'...

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I know I've read studies that show that when there is an increased police presence, there is a greater chance of violence. That may be a coincidence, however.

Edit: Besides, people are probably too concerned the nut carrying the loaded gun next to them will use it

Krisken;264183][quote=Armadillo said:

G20 protesters would probably get a lot more sympathy were it not for the rock-throwing and business-window-smashing that seems to follow them everywhere. You'll note that this sort of thing hasn't occurred at the Tea Party protests or that march on Washington a couple of weeks ago. I'm a-just sayin'...

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I know I've read studies that show that when there is an increased police presence, there is a greater chance of violence. That may be a coincidence, however.[/QUOTE]

Think its hard to put causality to that. One can just as easily say that when there's a greater chance of violence the police increase their presence.

Bah... this is how you do it police:




they've grown soft this century...

Krisken;264183][quote=Armadillo said:

G20 protesters would probably get a lot more sympathy were it not for the rock-throwing and business-window-smashing that seems to follow them everywhere. You'll note that this sort of thing hasn't occurred at the Tea Party protests or that march on Washington a couple of weeks ago. I'm a-just sayin'...

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I know I've read studies that show that when there is an increased police presence, there is a greater chance of violence. That may be a coincidence, however.

Edit: Besides, people are probably too concerned the nut carrying the loaded gun next to them will use it [/QUOTE]

Ya see? Exercising of Second Amendment rights = no crazy violence at economic summits! Everybody wins!

Armadillo;264202][quote=Krisken;264183][quote=Armadillo said:

G20 protesters would probably get a lot more sympathy were it not for the rock-throwing and business-window-smashing that seems to follow them everywhere. You'll note that this sort of thing hasn't occurred at the Tea Party protests or that march on Washington a couple of weeks ago. I'm a-just sayin'...

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I know I've read studies that show that when there is an increased police presence, there is a greater chance of violence. That may be a coincidence, however.

Edit: Besides, people are probably too concerned the nut carrying the loaded gun next to them will use it [/QUOTE]

Ya see? Exercising of Second Amendment rights = no crazy violence at economic summits! Everybody wins! [/QUOTE]
Except the guy with the gun. rly:

I can't really tell what's going on in those videos. The first one sure looked like textbook police intimidation, but they didn't actually do anything.

Whatever happened, the whole concept of illegal assembly is disgusting and should be done away with.

Yes, it logistically costs the public when protests happen, but that's a cost that any free society should be willing to live with in exchange for having a free society.

Hell, if you're worried about the financial aspects of the clean-up, the city of Pittsburgh should sell special hot dog and food cart licenses letting licensees line the blocks around the protest area and sell food and beverages to protesters. The city makes money off the licenses, the vendors make money selling food that the protesters can afford, the protesters get to shout a lot, everybody wins.

Problem is can't really tell what happened prior, if police were just being overly protective of the area or if something the protestors did set them off. The girl on the bike i almost wish got hit with a damn batton, she was pushed on her bike cause they are trying to clear the area and she was going slow and they wanted it to be in a timely fashion, and she turned around and threw a bike at the police officer which is unacceptable.

Also if they start clearing an area, and people stay it doesn't matter for what reason they are part of the riot or protest simply by being there, aka if you aren't part of that you should make sure to get the hell out.

Krisken;264170][quote=Chazwozel;264166][quote=Le Quack said:

Wow, that's all I can say, Chaz.

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Oh you don't like that I support the bludgeoning of morons?[/QUOTE]
I don't like that you think you can choose who the morons are. I'm sure plenty of people would bludgeon you given the chance.[/QUOTE]

They could try...

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Not really, I'm actually a pretty nice, easy going guy to begin with, and I'm not terribly afraid of the angst ridden douchebags who take great offense to what I say around here.

They could try...

Then again, I don't stop traffic on a busy bridge, throw rocks at local business, or shut down main streets with idiotic environmentalist rants at a conference that addresses those very issues. Yes, Greenpeace was very, very constructive at getting their point across to world leaders.

Chazwozel said:

They could try...

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Not really, I'm actually a pretty nice, easy going guy to begin with, and I'm not terribly afraid of the angst ridden douchebags who take great offense to what I say around here.

They could try...

Then again, I don't stop traffic on a busy bridge, throw rocks at local business, or shut down main streets with idiotic environmentalist rants at a conference that addresses those very issues. Yes, Greenpeace was very, very constructive at getting their point across to world leaders.

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I was more trying to say that calling someone a moron is kinda subjective, not make a statement about you and what you think.

Krisken;264373][quote=Chazwozel said:

They could try...

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Not really, I'm actually a pretty nice, easy going guy to begin with, and I'm not terribly afraid of the angst ridden douchebags who take great offense to what I say around here.

They could try...

Then again, I don't stop traffic on a busy bridge, throw rocks at local business, or shut down main streets with idiotic environmentalist rants at a conference that addresses those very issues. Yes, Greenpeace was very, very constructive at getting their point across to world leaders.

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I was more trying to say that calling someone a moron is kinda subjective, not make a statement about you and what you think.[/QUOTE]


I think many people agree that Greenpeace and PETA extremists are morons.

I just LOOOOVE the tags on this one.

Why do people still think protesting works?

BlackCrossCrusader said:

I just LOOOOVE the tags on this one.

Why do people still think protesting works?

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They don't. They've just come to the very reasonable conclusion that if Representatives don't even read bills, there's no way that they're gonna read those letters.

Haha, that chick on the bike got shellacked a good one. Next time, don't throw your bike at the cops. Ah well, I guess she'll have to call in sick tomorrow at Lentils 'r Us.

I was shown a number of these videos by my left wing protest happy friend last night. I can't watch these right now but if they're at all the same the arrests are edited to not show the offender. I've been under the effects of pepper spray and tear gas and people that bitch and moan about it needs to harden the fuck up. It's a perfectly acceptable method of crowd control, if you've never have it happen to you then at least pepper spray yourself and then see how much it sucks the next day. It won't.

Chazwozel;264442][quote=Krisken;264373][quote=Chazwozel said:

They could try...

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Not really, I'm actually a pretty nice, easy going guy to begin with, and I'm not terribly afraid of the angst ridden douchebags who take great offense to what I say around here.

They could try...

Then again, I don't stop traffic on a busy bridge, throw rocks at local business, or shut down main streets with idiotic environmentalist rants at a conference that addresses those very issues. Yes, Greenpeace was very, very constructive at getting their point across to world leaders.

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I was more trying to say that calling someone a moron is kinda subjective, not make a statement about you and what you think.[/QUOTE]


I think many people agree that Greenpeace and PETA extremists are morons.[/QUOTE]

The thing is, there were only 20 protestors. The rest were college students standing around ON THEIR CAMPUS watching these guys. The police totally abused their power in this situation. Its not whether the protesting was right or not, but the fact that they abused the power that THE PEOPLE gave them.

I don't even agree with what they were protesting, but fuck the police for their itchy fingers.

I found a video of the police in disguise at the protests.

Amorous Bitch said:

That is some scary shit, what the fuck?

This would so not be able to happen here, even if they had a 'good reason' to act.
There are better ways.

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Oh, hello there I didn't see this comment. What are those ways?
In before shoot them all.

Le Quack said:

I found a video of the police in disguise at the protests.

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They could have been people acting, but it's most likely the real deal. It's funny they didn't try to deny who they were when they were confronted though. I'm surprised they didn't crack and back down.

Le Quack said:

I found a video of the police in disguise at the protests.

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Haha, he's wearing a Penn State hat in Pittsburgh... That's a good way to get singled out. Why were they chanting, 'fuck the police'? Because it's cool to hate on cops when they're not helping your ass?

Chazwozel;264669][quote=Le Quack said:

I found a video of the police in disguise at the protests.

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Haha, he's wearing a Penn State hat in Pittsburgh... That's a good way to get singled out. Why were they chanting, 'fuck the police'? Because it's cool to hate on cops when they're not helping your ass?[/QUOTE]

No... but it IS cool to hate on the police when they are willfully subverting the First Amendment in an attempt to control a situation. As I've already said, the Police in this country have a well documented history (Mainly 50's-70's) of planting people and having them start trouble in crowds (or egg them on from the inside, including suggesting illegal acts) in an attempt to allow them to disperse said crowd or arrest key figures in it. It just doesn't work as well as it used to because people are aware it's happening now.

AshburnerX;264709][quote=Chazwozel;264669][quote=Le Quack said:

I found a video of the police in disguise at the protests.

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Haha, he's wearing a Penn State hat in Pittsburgh... That's a good way to get singled out. Why were they chanting, 'fuck the police'? Because it's cool to hate on cops when they're not helping your ass?[/quote]

No... but it IS cool to hate on the police when they are willfully subverting the First Amendment in an attempt to control a situation. As I've already said, the Police in this country have a well documented history (Mainly 50's-70's) of planting people and having them start trouble in crowds (or egg them on from the inside, including suggesting illegal acts) in an attempt to allow them to disperse said crowd or arrest key figures in it. It just doesn't work as well as it used to because people are aware it's happening now.[/QUOTE]

Umm did you watch that video? They weren't doing anything to incite violence, I think they were there to protect and make sure the protesters didn't get out of hand.

They say they were mocking their first amendment right by being there, no they were there protecting the fucking idiots protesting and the general public from the protesters if they got out of hand.

Oh and to the dumb bitch that asked "What if we dressed up like police"? Well you would get arrested for impersonating an officer.

Yeah, I didn't see them doing anything wrong either.

HoboNinja said:

Umm did you watch that video? They weren't doing anything to incite violence, I think they were there to protect and make sure the protesters didn't get out of hand.

They say they were mocking their first amendment right by being there, no they were there protecting the fucking idiots protesting and the general public from the protesters if they got out of hand.

Oh and to the dumb bitch that asked "What if we dressed up like police"? Well you would get arrested for impersonating an officer.

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I understand the need for the police to keep order, but when your out in full head busting fascist gear and sending undercover men into the crowd, is it really surprising that the crowd turns on you? It's incredibly hard not to see this sort of thing and not feel like your trying to be suppressed and marginalized by your own government. The crowd's reaction was wrong, but the were provoked by the attitude and actions of the police in this situation, not the other way around.

Fascist gear? Really?

REALLY?

Chippy said:

Fascist gear? Really?

REALLY?

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You can't deny that the image of cops in full riot gear, with shields and batons, whiling moving in formation... slowly approaching an unarmed crowd doesn't stir up images of repression and government crackdown. If this had happened in China, we wouldn't even be arguing.

I can see this one both ways. On the one hand, yeah, they didn't do anything to cause the animosity of that crowd. I think the swearing at the police slogan is incredibly counter productive. However, when the video starts out the one man says "he broke the flash on my camera", indicating that the undercover officer pushed the camera down and broke the flash. One of the undercover officers even says "Lets not make this too much fun. I'm tired and getting old." That doesn't sound like "to serve and protect" to me.

I think it's a shame that a few bad apples are allowed into the police force. It's a group that is meant to serve the community, and it's an incredibly taxing job that requires an insane amount of patience. It does attract a certain seedy element, unfortunately, and those who are looking to use that power to bully others is a side effect to the power given.

I know that kind of behavior isn't encouraged, but I do think that people would have an easier time trusting and supporting their police force if the kind of behavior that exhibits an abuse of authority was properly reprimanded.

AshburnerX;264855][quote=Chippy said:

Fascist gear? Really?

REALLY?

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You can't deny that the image of cops in full riot gear, with shields and batons, whiling moving in formation... slowly approaching an unarmed crowd doesn't stir up images of repression and government crackdown. If this had happened in China, we wouldn't even be arguing.[/QUOTE]

They must have forgotten to bring their flowers and fans to break up the crowd.

They are going to be prepared for the worst, crowds 'can' turn ugly fast and its easier to acquire weapons(rocks etc) than armor.

crono1224 said:

They are going to be prepared for the worst, crowds 'can' turn ugly fast and its easier to acquire weapons(rocks etc) than armor.

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Yeah, there's no way that a peaceful crowd of protesters exercising their 1st Amendment rights could turn ugly upon being forced away by lockstep-marching police in riot gear.

No way at all. rly:

Wait... are people being sarcastic in here?!

TeKeo;265039][quote=crono1224 said:

They are going to be prepared for the worst, crowds 'can' turn ugly fast and its easier to acquire weapons(rocks etc) than armor.

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Yeah, there's no way that a peaceful crowd of protesters exercising their 1st Amendment rights could turn ugly upon being forced away by lockstep-marching police in riot gear.

No way at all. rly:[/QUOTE]

Government may regulate the time, place, and manner—but not content—of expression.

In other words, you're not allowed to just show up in a random place without the permits to do so and stand around chanting slogans.

Chazwozel;265082][quote=TeKeo;265039][quote=crono1224 said:

They are going to be prepared for the worst, crowds 'can' turn ugly fast and its easier to acquire weapons(rocks etc) than armor.

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Yeah, there's no way that a peaceful crowd of protesters exercising their 1st Amendment rights could turn ugly upon being forced away by lockstep-marching police in riot gear.

No way at all. rly:[/quote]

Government may regulate the time, place, and manner—but not content—of expression.

In other words, you're not allowed to just show up in a random place without the permits to do so and stand around chanting slogans.[/QUOTE]
But it's made of win!

That is still the most awesome thing I have ever seen.

TeKeo;265039][quote=crono1224 said:

They are going to be prepared for the worst, crowds 'can' turn ugly fast and its easier to acquire weapons(rocks etc) than armor.

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Yeah, there's no way that a peaceful crowd of protesters exercising their 1st Amendment rights could turn ugly upon being forced away by lockstep-marching police in riot gear.

No way at all. rly:[/QUOTE]

It's a catch 22.

Police in riot gear will upset the hippies but possibly ensure that the protest is controllable, but if they showed up without riot gear there would be a whole lot more trouble if things got rough.

I say stick with the riot gear. You can call it fascist if you like, Mr Fawkes.

Rob King;265101][quote=TeKeo;265039][quote=crono1224 said:

They are going to be prepared for the worst, crowds 'can' turn ugly fast and its easier to acquire weapons(rocks etc) than armor.

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Yeah, there's no way that a peaceful crowd of protesters exercising their 1st Amendment rights could turn ugly upon being forced away by lockstep-marching police in riot gear.

No way at all. rly:[/quote]

It's a catch 22.

Police in riot gear will upset the hippies but possibly ensure that the protest is controllable, but if they showed up without riot gear there would be a whole lot more trouble if things got rough.

I say stick with the riot gear. You can call it fascist if you like, Mr Fawkes.[/QUOTE]
Hippies aren't the only ones who protest. If you don't like colorful, biased language, you should at least try avoiding it yourself.

Chazwozel;265082][quote=TeKeo;265039][quote=crono1224 said:

They are going to be prepared for the worst, crowds 'can' turn ugly fast and its easier to acquire weapons(rocks etc) than armor.

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Yeah, there's no way that a peaceful crowd of protesters exercising their 1st Amendment rights could turn ugly upon being forced away by lockstep-marching police in riot gear.

No way at all. rly:[/QUOTE]

Government may regulate the time, place, and manner—but not content—of expression.

In other words, you're not allowed to just show up in a random place without the permits to do so and stand around chanting slogans.[/QUOTE]

What does that have to do with the appearance, behavior, and attitude of the police contributing to the inflammation, rather than the dissipation, of tension?

Also, how much are the permits in question? Local government cannot, in fact, set whatever permit they want, no questions asked.

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Rob King said:

Police in riot gear will upset the hippies but possibly ensure that the protest is controllable, but if they showed up without riot gear there would be a whole lot more trouble if things got rough.

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Yes, nothing keeps protests controllable like a line of riot police banging their Asps on their riot shields in time while marching forward threateningly.

Krisken said:

Hippies aren't the only ones who protest. If you don't like colorful, biased language, you should at least try avoiding it yourself.

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Hey. If you can be ridiculous, so can I. I never claimed to be the bigger man.

EDIT: Oops. I didn't look who I was responding to. But my point stands.

TeKeo said:

Yes, nothing keeps protests controllable like a line of riot police banging their Asps on their riot shields in time while marching forward threateningly.

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Did I miss when it was clearly established that the police moved first? Because if they didn't, then I'm fine with their war dance. Anything that gets the job done is fine by me.

Rob King said:

TeKeo said:

Yes, nothing keeps protests controllable like a line of riot police banging their Asps on their riot shields in time while marching forward threateningly.

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Did I miss when it was clearly established that the police moved first? Because if they didn't, then I'm fine with their war dance.

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They need to clearly establish that they didn't.

There are few things more important in a free society than ensuring that those with the power of arrest and the ability to lawfully resort to violence against their fellow-citizens have done so correctly.

Anything that gets the job done is fine by me.

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Heh. Now that's pretty funny.

"TeKeo said:

Rob King said:

Did I miss when it was clearly established that the police moved first? Because if they didn't, then I'm fine with their war dance.

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They need to clearly establish that they didn't.

There are few things more important in a free society than ensuring that those with the power of arrest and the ability to lawfully resort to violence against their fellow-citizens have done so correctly.

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I guess that's fair-ish. But I don't take any issue with the specific actions of the police in this incedent. It's the lead-up that's important.

If they instigated with the war dance, then it's not only unjust, but a little bit frightening.

If they reacted, though, then I'm willing to dismiss the war dance. I don't know if it's standard operating procedure or not, but the assumption in this thread seems to be that it's not. If it's not, I wouldn't get all up ins over it. Someone got creative because they clearly thought it would help. If it did or didn't isn't the big issue. If it made things worse, and then got repeated over and over and over at protest after protest ... we'd have a problem. But the willingness to be creative is something that needs to be encouraged ...

TeKeo said:

Anything that gets the job done is fine by me.

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Heh. Now that's pretty funny.

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... so we can read fun stories like this on the internet!

So we come full circle to understanding that we don't understand who acted first, the problem with random videos is they usually aren't started from the begining but more when things start to get ugly, and because of that time lapse we can't really determine what started what.

Another issue is police are going to err on the side of caution just because of shit thats happened before, whether or not its justified its a simple fact of them knowing shit can happen.

crono1224 said:

So we come full circle to understanding that we don't understand who acted first, the problem with random videos is they usually aren't started from the begining but more when things start to get ugly, and because of that time lapse we can't really determine what started what.

Another issue is police are going to err on the side of caution just because of shit thats happened before, whether or not its justified its a simple fact of them knowing shit can happen.

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I would argue that police are people too, and they make mistakes, have emotions, and fall under the same problems as most people who have power and are in a stressful situation.

Krisken;265201][quote=crono1224 said:

So we come full circle to understanding that we don't understand who acted first, the problem with random videos is they usually aren't started from the begining but more when things start to get ugly, and because of that time lapse we can't really determine what started what.

Another issue is police are going to err on the side of caution just because of shit thats happened before, whether or not its justified its a simple fact of them knowing shit can happen.

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I would argue that police are people too, and they make mistakes, have emotions, and fall under the same problems as most people who have power and are in a stressful situation.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, now i'm not trying to say the police are infallible but its hard to discern fault from these videos and the woman throwing the bike made a huge mistake, regardless of if the police instigated the situation, you should still leave.

Also if a cop pushes you a bit, violence against them negates almost any argument you would have.

I was thinking today, and cops need checks and balances just like everything else in the government. There should be a whole NEW public sector devoted to nick-picking everything a cop does and make sure everything done is legal and constitutional.

Amorous Bitch said:

but... who watches the watchers?

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Too complicated.

And there are already internal investigation units that are suppose to check the police, as well you can file lawsuits against them.

The problem is there does have to be checks in balances sure but if they are scrutinized too much it doesn't let them really preform on their feet as well. Almost same problem with health care and the 1000 test you are given just to try and cover their asses.

Le Quack said:

I was thinking today, and cops need checks and balances just like everything else in the government. There should be a whole NEW public sector devoted to nick-picking everything a cop does and make sure everything done is legal and constitutional.

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They do, it's called Internal Affairs, or Military police for the army, or any higher tier of authority.

Point is, cops are checked and re-checked to a very high degree. They'e required to file a report whenever they finish the shift, or an incident occurs. Le Quack, why don't you swallow your prejudice and actually talk to a cop about how he/she does their job.

If you knew the fucking paperwork involved in picking up a drunk bum and tossing him the tank for the night.

Le Quack really hates cops at an extreme level and I would like to give him a chance to explain why he thinks this of police before everyone jumps on him.

Cops keeping an eye on Cops doesn't sit well with me... it should be a department unrelated to the Police, headed by someone elected by the people. Shenanigans go unanswered for, replace the head of the department with someone who will.

I want to add how impressed I am with everyone in this thread. There were times it could have spiraled down into the dredge as most threads like this inhabit, but for the most part it has remained fairly respectful and at times even light hearted.

Kudos.

Krisken said:

I want to add how impressed I am with everyone in this thread. There were times it could have spiraled down into the dredge as most threads like this inhabit, but for the most part it has remained fairly respectful and at times even light hearted.

Kudos.

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I hope you burn in the immortal fires of Gehenna. *rage*

Krisken said:

I want to add how impressed I am with everyone in this thread. There were times it could have spiraled down into the dredge as most threads like this inhabit, but for the most part it has remained fairly respectful and at times even light hearted.

Kudos.

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Your mother is a whore

Rob King;265142] [quote=TeKeo said:

Anything that gets the job done is fine by me.

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Heh. Now that's pretty funny.

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... so we can read fun stories like this on the internet![/QUOTE]

If the Pittsburgh police managed to disperse by the riots by dressing up in pink gorilla suits, singing a song, and dancing, I would nominate them for BEST POLICE ACTION EVAAR!!!!1
:toocool:

crono1224;265417][quote=Krisken said:

I want to add how impressed I am with everyone in this thread. There were times it could have spiraled down into the dredge as most threads like this inhabit, but for the most part it has remained fairly respectful and at times even light hearted.

Kudos.

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Your mother is a whore [/QUOTE]
You can't say things like that without dealing with her pimp.

BlackCrossCrusader;265316][quote=Le Quack said:

I was thinking today, and cops need checks and balances just like everything else in the government. There should be a whole NEW public sector devoted to nick-picking everything a cop does and make sure everything done is legal and constitutional.

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They do, it's called Internal Affairs, or Military police for the army, or any higher tier of authority.

Point is, cops are checked and re-checked to a very high degree. They'e required to file a report whenever they finish the shift, or an incident occurs. Le Quack, why don't you swallow your prejudice and actually talk to a cop about how he/she does their job.[/QUOTE]
Inspector General in the Army. The Military Police just head up the enforcement of the UCMJ. The Inspector General is the branch responsible for investigating corruption.

Le Quack said:

I can't believe nobody has posted these videos. It makes me ashamed to be an american. I don't care if you \"understand where the cops are coming from.\" They should not have the power to do this, and they should all be held legally responsible for breaching human rights.








MSNBC cuts off Hugo Chavez to show this.

To me, this is something to fear. Suppressed by our own state.

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Speaking as an active protester, and I have never been beaten by a cop, here are 3 tips-

1) See cops with their sticks out coming towards you? Dont scream obscenities in his face, put your hands behind your head, and obey anyting he says, he´s doing his job. 90% of the time he´ll just ignore you and focus the head of the hippie next to you screaming about "the pigs"

2) Your protest is blocking off traffic and disturbing people to the level where you see riot control guns/tools being taken out? Stand aside, kneel/lie down and enjoy observing the chaos around.

3) Your protest has gotten too far and you see a big armored truck or two? Get the fuck out of there.

While I'm against police aggression, its easy to follow procedure when its one or two cops against an unruly drunk, but another game when you are against 10-100 people per cops with some dicks just itching to take out their frustrations by throwing stones on a cop.

Is there a place you can sign up to help cops billy-club hippies protesting over nonsense?

Start with these guys, work your way up

I think it's nonsense, therefore let's hit them! Come on guys...

I only watched about half of the first video, and what I see is policemen trying to scare people. I think they should have gone about it some other way but oh well. What I want to ask is, you people talking about 'what happened previosly' aren't talking about that video, right? Because in that video that doesn't matter. If, for instance, the protesters had been violent, the police should have acted in that same moment against the people who were being violent. If the protesters insulted the policement, just suck it. Dunno, I don't see what they were doing wrong.

EDIT: Ah, and all those 'let's bludgeon hippies comments' make me think there are policemen hit-happy who hit people without a real valid reason in these cases and that some of you people support them. I hope it's not like that, 'cause it'd terrible.

I don't hate cops; they are just people. I hate the way cops get indoctrinated not to think for themselves and the way they militarize cops. My dream job is a forensic analyst for the FBI. That's obviously a cop job. What I do hate are cops trying to meet quotas, cops abusing their authority, and cops trying their damnest to get you to do something wrong. I also hate it when cops screw up and try to hide it. I read somewhere where they bust a guy growing ONE plant of marijuana and told them reporters than an ounce of the weed went for 6000 dollars. Thats utter bullshit and a lie. I hate cops that don't know what they are talking about, and I hate cops that don't understand that they aren't above the law. Cops are necessary, and should be kept in their place. They are paid to SERVE US, not try and CATCH US.

The video I posted about the undercover cops happened two days after the "real" protest and problems. They were just there watching the scene. The undercover cops at the REAL protest didn't get filmed because nobody had known that they were being watched by undercover cops.

So, the conversation regarding agents provocateurs came to mind when I saw this site.

What do we think? I don't agree with planting undercover cops to provoke a crowd into illegal action, but how about leaving easily-stealable cars around as bait for car thieves?

Rob King said:

So, the conversation regarding agents provocateurs came to mind when I saw this site.

What do we think? I don't agree with planting undercover cops to provoke a crowd into illegal action, but how about leaving easily-stealable cars around as bait for car thieves?

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So, you support car thieves right to steal unlocked cars?

Rob King said:

So, the conversation regarding agents provocateurs came to mind when I saw this site.

What do we think? I don't agree with planting undercover cops to provoke a crowd into illegal action, but how about leaving easily-stealable cars around as bait for car thieves?

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Making it easy isn't the same as pressuring someone into it. Still their uninfluenced choice.

sixpackshaker said:

So, you support car thieves right to steal unlocked cars?

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No. I was asking the question. I personally think it's a fantastic idea, and it has the added benefit of yielding entertaining video that has been distributed on the internet.

It's just that, earlier someone said something along the lines of "The job of the police is to protect you, not to catch you." Following this philosophy, it seems that the bait-cars would be just as bad as agents provocateurs.

Why is publicly-disrupting protest allowed at all? If you want to have a rally against the G20 (or G8, or Bush, or Clinton, or Obama, or the ruler of Timbuktu), rent a damned hall, or conference center, and HAVE ONE! Don't disrupt the rest of us who ALSO paid for that public space, and just feel like walking down the street. Buy advertising, get your message out, but don't block my access to public facilities either with your "cause". There's plenty of ways to get your message out without being disruptive.

And so many talk about taking away their right to free assembly, well isn't that more or less what they want to do for the G20 participants? Blocking access to buildings, etc.

Eriol said:

Why is publicly-disrupting protest allowed at all?

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We have the freedom of assembly. Then government curtails that right when it begins to interfere with public safety and the normal functioning of a city.

Also if you set up out of the public eye, your message will not get out.

Oh look, Cops being douches.

Cops shoot homeowner even after the 911 operator tells them hes holding the burglar at gun point. Cops try to them cover up their mistake, after shooting him 6 times in the back. Cops are always right, aren't they?

http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/09/26/the-look-from-the-rear.aspx?ref=rss

Le Quack said:

Oh look, Cops being douches.

Cops shoot homeowner even after the 911 operator tells them hes holding the burglar at gun point. Cops try to them cover up their mistake, after shooting him 6 times in the back. Cops are always right, aren't they?

http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/09/26/the-look-from-the-rear.aspx?ref=rss

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... And what does this have to do with the matter at hand?

Eriol said:

And so many talk about taking away their right to free assembly, well isn't that more or less what they want to do for the G20 participants? Blocking access to buildings, etc.

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Freedom to peacefully assemble means that the government can not prevent crowd from gathering. A second group of private citizens that prevent you from doing so does not infringe upon your right. Another example is freedom of the press. The government cannot prevent you from writing an article for a newspaper, that does not mean that Newspapers must print your article.

Le Quack said:

Oh look, Cops being douches.

Cops shoot homeowner even after the 911 operator tells them hes holding the burglar at gun point. Cops try to them cover up their mistake, after shooting him 6 times in the back. Cops are always right, aren't they?

http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/09/26/the-look-from-the-rear.aspx?ref=rss

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I hope you never have to make a life or death decision. These guys make them on damn near a daily basis.

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yep, they screwed the pooch. and instead of doing right afterward they got worried about the guy that screwed up's career. They will face charges for misconduct and lose their badges.

sixpackshaker;267805][quote=Le Quack said:

Oh look, Cops being douches.

Cops shoot homeowner even after the 911 operator tells them hes holding the burglar at gun point. Cops try to them cover up their mistake, after shooting him 6 times in the back. Cops are always right, aren't they?

http://blog.simplejustice.us/2009/09/26/the-look-from-the-rear.aspx?ref=rss

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I hope you never have to make a life or death decision. These guys make them on damn near a daily basis.[/QUOTE]

They still made a deplorable decision to try and weasel out of it by trying to get the gun seller to say it was an illegal firearm (He wouldn't play ball) and then trying to pin drug charges on the guy they shot, despite him never having visited those states. I'd chalk them up a mulligan if they'd have copped to it, but they tried to subvert their power instead. THIS is why no one trusts the police.

Oh look, Le Quack being a douche.

http://www.halforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9613

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AshburnerX said:

THIS is why no one trusts those particular police officers.

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FTFY.

It's what makes it hard to trust them, absolutely. I believe that most cops aren't like that but how do I know what kind of cop I'm dealing with? It makes the whole police/public interaction too adversarial and it saddens me.

(and this is relevant to the thread because someone asked the duck why he hated cops)

Now they HAVE gone too far!

Oh look, the cop that shot him 6 times in the back gets off scott free.
http://www.kpho.com/news/21121206/detail.html

Le Quack said:

Oh look, the cop that shot him 6 times in the back gets off scott free.
http://www.kpho.com/news/21121206/detail.html

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They better hope he takes a settlement for his sum... chances are good that he'll win if they can prove that he was shot while on the ground.

Protests have an unfortunate tendency to attract individuals with AUTHORITY ISSUES. You know exactly who I'm talking about. They're the people who scream bloody murder when they get pulled over and the cop asks to search their trunk. They're the people who start kicking and screaming when airport security checks their bags. Maybe their parents should've spanked them when they were kids. That would've put them in their place. Just because they're protesting doesn't mean they're Nelson Mandela.

The cops are definitely in a Catch 22 situation. They HAVE to wear that riot gear because protests can easily turn into riots. The smashed business windows also give every indication that the protest is NOT peaceful. Those goddamn hippies think they can smash stuff up but then start with the "Ow! Ow! He bwoke my widdle arm!" when the cops react. Seriously, they need to grow a pair. I spent the last year in South Korea and the police there really come down hard on protesters.

If I could ever have a wish granted by something like the Make A Wish Foundation, I'd ask to be taken to the next G8, G20, or WTO summit and be the first to turn a fire hose on those hippies. I could die a happy man. Ain't I a stinker?

IronBrig4 said:

Protests have an unfortunate tendency to attract individuals with AUTHORITY ISSUES. You know exactly who I'm talking about. They're the people who scream bloody murder when they get pulled over and the cop asks to search their trunk. They're the people who start kicking and screaming when airport security checks their bags. Maybe their parents should've spanked them when they were kids. That would've put them in their place. Just because they're protesting doesn't mean they're Nelson Mandela.

The cops are definitely in a Catch 22 situation. They HAVE to wear that riot gear because protests can easily turn into riots. The smashed business windows also give every indication that the protest is NOT peaceful. Those goddamn hippies think they can smash stuff up but then start with the "Ow! Ow! He bwoke my widdle arm!" when the cops react. Seriously, they need to grow a pair. I spent the last year in South Korea and the police there really come down hard on protesters.

If I could ever have a wish granted by something like the Make A Wish Foundation, I'd ask to be taken to the next G8, G20, or WTO summit and be the first to turn a fire hose on those hippies. I could die a happy man. Ain't I a stinker?

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Nope.

Maybe you would be if you were hosing them with worcestershire sauce and throwing slices of beef at them... but honestly, who wouldn't do that?

North_Ranger said:

Maybe you would be if you were hosing them with worcestershire sauce and throwing slices of beef at them... but honestly, who wouldn't do that?

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As an aside, I have never learned how to speak this word. I cook with it all the time. My father always used it growing up, but he never spoke it's name out loud either. It's been a part of my life, but I have no verbal tag to attach to it. We've always just avoided referring to it by name.

Is it wor-chest-er-shire sauce?

Rob King;268081][quote=North_Ranger said:

Maybe you would be if you were hosing them with worcestershire sauce and throwing slices of beef at them... but honestly, who wouldn't do that?

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As an aside, I have never learned how to speak this word. I cook with it all the time. My father always used it growing up, but he never spoke it's name out loud either. It's been a part of my life, but I have no verbal tag to attach to it. We've always just avoided referring to it by name.

Is it wor-chest-er-shire sauce?[/QUOTE]Many ways-,
wus-te-shir, wus-ter-sher, wus-ter-shire

Rob King;268081][quote=North_Ranger said:

Maybe you would be if you were hosing them with worcestershire sauce and throwing slices of beef at them... but honestly, who wouldn't do that?

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As an aside, I have never learned how to speak this word. I cook with it all the time. My father always used it growing up, but he never spoke it's name out loud either. It's been a part of my life, but I have no verbal tag to attach to it. We've always just avoided referring to it by name.

Is it wor-chest-er-shire sauce?[/QUOTE]

Woos-ter-sher. Saying it's actually a lot simpler than spelling it.

I pronounce it as Iaculus spelled it there. Was thaught it by a Brit.

The Brits, btw, are fucked up when it comes to pronouncing place names. "Gloucestershire" is gloss-ter-sher; and they drop the w in names like Dunwich and Norwich, becoming dun-itch and nor-itch.

Gruebeard said:

I pronounce it as Iaculus spelled it there. Was thaught it by a Brit.

The Brits, btw, are fucked up when it comes to pronouncing place names. "Gloucestershire" is gloss-ter-sher; and they drop the w in names like Dunwich and Norwich, becoming dun-itch and nor-itch.

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Like your American English is spelled phonetically...

Or in Mika Häkkinen English: Laik jöör Ömerikön Inglish is spelt fönetikli.

North_Ranger said:

...American...

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Hey, fuck off with the smurfing insult, Finnboy :canada:

Gruebeard;268164][quote=North_Ranger said:

...American...

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Hey, fuck off with the smurfing insult, Finnboy :canada:


[/QUOTE]

Oh, sorry then. Let me correct my statement.

Like yer trans-Atlantic English is spelled phonetically, eh?

Umm, My Atlantic is Bi- not Trans-

. . . meh, that one just rather sucks.

yeah, I know. It was a lame joke with no actual thought put into it. I mean, being an ocean, the Atlantic is most likely asexual and genderless.

You take that back!

I'm sorry. The Atlantic is a mostly straight girl.


An ugly, cold bitch at times, ugly as all sin compared to the lovely Pacific, and blandly ordinary compared to the exotic and slutty Indian.

She ... she gets violent ... sometimes. *fights back tears*

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/07/marshawn-pitts-cop-caught_n_312354.html

Cops rule!

Everyone know beating the shit out of special needs kid is fun.

Le Quack said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/07/marshawn-pitts-cop-caught_n_312354.html

Cops rule!

Everyone know beating the shit out of special needs kid is fun.

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You know what? Fuck off. For every one cop like that there's thousands who do their jobs (fucking stressful jobs I could add) the way they're supposed to.

I'm gonna add, I am appalled by the activities of the officer in the video. That shit is deplorable and if there's any logic or justice in the Chicago PD he will be brought up on charges and fired.

Frankie;271295][quote=Le Quack said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/07/marshawn-pitts-cop-caught_n_312354.html

Cops rule!

Everyone know beating the shit out of special needs kid is fun.

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You know what? Fuck off. For every one cop like that there's thousands who do their jobs (fucking stressful jobs I could add) the way they're supposed to.[/QUOTE]Depends.

We have 4 groups here.

a) Cops who abuse the law
b) Cops who know about a) but dont do anything to stop it
c) Cops who dont know about a) (nor have heard anything from b) and c)
d) Cops who know about a) and do something to stop it.

Now I doubt there is anyone in group c), people cant be that blind, which leaves us to ask how many cops belong to group d).

Because anyone in a) and b) is equally bad in my opinion, so before screaming for someone to shut the fuck up, tell me, how many people belong in d)?

Frankie;271295][quote=Le Quack said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/07/marshawn-pitts-cop-caught_n_312354.html

Cops rule!

Everyone know beating the shit out of special needs kid is fun.

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You know what? Fuck off. For every one cop like that there's thousands who do their jobs (fucking stressful jobs I could add) the way they're supposed to.

I'm gonna add, I am appalled by the activities of the officer in the video. That shit is deplorable and if there's any logic or justice in the Chicago PD he will be brought up on charges and fired.[/QUOTE]

These are the people that we give power over ourselves. They better damn well be able to make good decisions and handle stress. If not, they don't deserve the power that cops have.

e) Cops who know about it and do what they can, which often not a whole hell of a lot, sadly, to stop it.

Most of us fall into E unfortunately. When something like what happened in that video happens, the man is brought down. Unfortunately, my own organization has a massive black eye going for it right now with the ongoing tazer death situation with a polish man nearly two years and what buttfuck little was done to investigate the truth behind what had actually happened. It's infuriating when brass tries to sweep that shit up.

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Le Quack;271311][quote=Frankie;271295][quote=Le Quack said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/07/marshawn-pitts-cop-caught_n_312354.html

Cops rule!

Everyone know beating the shit out of special needs kid is fun.

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You know what? Fuck off. For every one cop like that there's thousands who do their jobs (fucking stressful jobs I could add) the way they're supposed to.

I'm gonna add, I am appalled by the activities of the officer in the video. That shit is deplorable and if there's any logic or justice in the Chicago PD he will be brought up on charges and fired.[/QUOTE]

These are the people that we give power over ourselves. They better damn well be able to make good decisions and handle stress. If not, they don't deserve the power that cops have.[/QUOTE]

And 99.99% of the time they do. It's infuriating to be lumped in with assholes like that when you know for a fact it's an incredibly rare occurance.

Is it just me or do the policemen in the States suffer from lack of respect (from the public side)?

I'm willing to bet its more often than .01% of the time.

Also, how are citizens supposed to know the difference?
Better to treat them all like they abuse the law so you don't get into shit.

They all wear the same uniform. How can we pick the good ones from the bad ones?
We can't. Don't blame the populace for overreacting for shit like this.

North_Ranger said:

Is it just me or do the policemen in the States suffer from lack of respect (from the public side)?

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It's not just the states.

Le Quack said:

Also, how are citizens supposed to know the difference?
Better to treat them all like they abuse the law so you don't get into shit.

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A thought:

If you encounter a good cop, and treat him like he abuses the law, your defiance will be dealt with properly. Police 1, Quack 0.

If you encounter a bad cop, and treat him like he abuses the law, your defiance will be either dealt with properly, or improperly. Police 1, Quack < 0.

You are 'in shit' either way, I would wager.

Frankie;271326][quote=North_Ranger said:

Is it just me or do the policemen in the States suffer from lack of respect (from the public side)?

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It's not just the states.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I dunno...

I've been at and seen a couple of protests here in Finland (nothing of the G20 magnitude of course, and I stopped going once I became a little more cynical), and I've never seen anyone start throwing that shit what I saw in those videos.

And before anyone starts wondering what kind of a meek, police-beaten nazi nation I live in... I've only seen police in riot gear once, and that was several years ago.

Rob King;271331][quote=Le Quack said:

Also, how are citizens supposed to know the difference?
Better to treat them all like they abuse the law so you don't get into shit.

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A thought:

If you encounter a good cop, and treat him like he abuses the law, your defiance will be dealt with properly. Police 1, Quack 0.

If you encounter a bad cop, and treat him like he abuses the law, your defiance will be either dealt with properly, or improperly. Police 1, Quack < 0.

You are 'in shit' either way, I would wager.[/QUOTE]

What I mean is, act scared and be polite.

North_Ranger;271334][quote=Frankie;271326][quote=North_Ranger said:

Is it just me or do the policemen in the States suffer from lack of respect (from the public side)?

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It's not just the states.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I dunno...

I've been at and seen a couple of protests here in Finland (nothing of the G20 magnitude of course, and I stopped going once I became a little more cynical), and I've never seen anyone start throwing that shit what I saw in those videos.

And before anyone starts wondering what kind of a meek, police-beaten nazi nation I live in... I've only seen police in riot gear once, and that was several years ago.[/QUOTE]



Isn't that like the Finland air force flag?

OH SHIIIIIIIIIII

Le Quack;271336][quote=Rob King;271331][quote=Le Quack said:

Also, how are citizens supposed to know the difference?
Better to treat them all like they abuse the law so you don't get into shit.

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A thought:

If you encounter a good cop, and treat him like he abuses the law, your defiance will be dealt with properly. Police 1, Quack 0.

If you encounter a bad cop, and treat him like he abuses the law, your defiance will be either dealt with properly, or improperly. Police 1, Quack < 0.

You are 'in shit' either way, I would wager.[/QUOTE]

What I mean is, act scared and be polite.[/QUOTE]

Aah. Well, even if I could tell you with 100% confidence that every last cop in the world was a good cop, I would probably prescribe that course of action anyhow.

Or, a similar one. Not sure how I like 'scared' as a descriptor, but it seems not far off of appropriate.

Frankie;271339][quote=North_Ranger;271334][quote=Frankie;271326][quote=North_Ranger said:

Is it just me or do the policemen in the States suffer from lack of respect (from the public side)?

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It's not just the states.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I dunno...

I've been at and seen a couple of protests here in Finland (nothing of the G20 magnitude of course, and I stopped going once I became a little more cynical), and I've never seen anyone start throwing that shit what I saw in those videos.

And before anyone starts wondering what kind of a meek, police-beaten nazi nation I live in... I've only seen police in riot gear once, and that was several years ago.[/QUOTE]



Isn't that like the Finland air force flag?

OH SHIIIIIIIIIII[/QUOTE]

Dude... Now you're just being an asshole.

That symbol actually pre-dates the Third Reich: a blue swastika was the personal good luck charm of the Swedish aristocrat, Count Eric von Rosen, who donated his plane to the fledgling Air Force in 1918. As a show of gratitude and respect, the swastika was in common use in Finnish military symbolism until 1945, when it was removed by the Allied Control Commission (i.e. a corps of 200 Soviet and 15 British officers who were sent to Finland after the war to oversee that Finland complied with the terms of the Moscow armistice).

A guy on the street pulled a gun on me today. I went to the police. The dude I talked to was a waste of oxygen. I went to another cop, asked to file a complaint. He helped me file the complaint from just the guys first name and the time I called, then he sent a squad car to find and pick up the guy. Mother fucking cops can all rot in hell.

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North_Ranger said:

Dude... Now you're just being an asshole.

That symbol actually pre-dates the Third Reich: a blue swastika was the personal good luck charm of the Swedish aristocrat, Count Eric von Rosen, who donated his plane to the fledgling Air Force in 1918. As a show of gratitude and respect, the swastika was in common use in Finnish military symbolism until 1945, when it was removed by the Allied Control Commission (i.e. a corps of 200 Soviet and 15 British officers who were sent to Finland after the war to oversee that Finland complied with the terms of the Moscow armistice).

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I think he's just messing with you, until the twenties the US military and the fucking boy scouts used them. I bet Canada did as well. And earlier when Frankie said not just the states he meant it because he's an officer up in the great white north.

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Le Quack said:

What I mean is, act scared and be polite.

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So the ass in me wants to say that the way to treat good cops is to not be polite. The rest of me just wants to warn you that cops, they can smell fear, they know when you fake it. They're coming for you le quack. And when they do... god help us all. It's black vans and death camps for the lot of us.

North_Ranger;271383][quote=Frankie;271339][quote=North_Ranger;271334][quote=Frankie;271326][quote=North_Ranger said:

Is it just me or do the policemen in the States suffer from lack of respect (from the public side)?

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It's not just the states.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I dunno...

I've been at and seen a couple of protests here in Finland (nothing of the G20 magnitude of course, and I stopped going once I became a little more cynical), and I've never seen anyone start throwing that shit what I saw in those videos.

And before anyone starts wondering what kind of a meek, police-beaten nazi nation I live in... I've only seen police in riot gear once, and that was several years ago.[/QUOTE]



Isn't that like the Finland air force flag?

OH SHIIIIIIIIIII[/QUOTE]

Dude... Now you're just being an asshole.[/QUOTE]
I'm 100% sure he was joking.

And I'm 100% sure you misinterpreted his previous post. When he talked about Police lacking respect "not just in the States" he meant it's also the case in Canada where he's a Mountie.

Okay, I misinterpreted the "not just in the States" thing. I forgot he was a mountie.

And the swastika thing... I prefer to err on the side of human ignorance rather than assume people know about the heraldic tradition of a small European nation

North_Ranger said:

Okay, I misinterpreted the "not just in the States" thing. I forgot he was a mountie.

And the swastika thing... I prefer to err on the side of human ignorance rather than assume people know about the heraldic tradition of a small European nation

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Yeah, not serious at all. Sorry if I offended.

I sense much anger about police, you know i have heard from several officers noticing differences from being in a rough city and getting flipped off and having people blow whistles when they enter a neighborhood (to warn people), to moving to a nice suburb and having people wave and being suprised.

I don't say that to prejudice either side, but merely stating that even subconciously they would be more willing to go that extra mile to protect you if you treated them with respect and decency. Sure some abuse powers are assholes, but tell me what incentive is that cop going to put his life on the line for you, if you just called him a fucking dirty pig?

He doesn't have to rush in to save you from a robber or what ever, his job is for him to be safe.

crono1224 said:

I sense much anger about police,

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Waa i ruined my post with silly word phrasage.

La Quack strikes me as the kind of person who has a "F*ck the Police" sticker on his car then gets all pissed off when he gets pulled over by those "Dirty Pigs"

North_Ranger said:

Okay, I misinterpreted the "not just in the States" thing. I forgot he was a mountie.

And the swastika thing... I prefer to err on the side of human ignorance rather than assume people know about the heraldic tradition of a small European nation

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Could be wrong, but wasn't it initially a Hindu symbol?

Frankie;271488][quote=North_Ranger said:

Okay, I misinterpreted the "not just in the States" thing. I forgot he was a mountie.

And the swastika thing... I prefer to err on the side of human ignorance rather than assume people know about the heraldic tradition of a small European nation

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Yeah, not serious at all. Sorry if I offended.[/QUOTE]

De nada. Sorry I refered to you as a rectal opening

Iaculus;271564][quote=North_Ranger said:

Okay, I misinterpreted the "not just in the States" thing. I forgot he was a mountie.

And the swastika thing... I prefer to err on the side of human ignorance rather than assume people know about the heraldic tradition of a small European nation

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Could be wrong, but wasn't it initially a Hindu symbol?[/QUOTE]

Yes, and no. the European symbol has little or nothing to do with the Hindu one. They are both ancient symbols. The European one up to the 30's (Hitler) was a symbol of good luck. If I remember correctly the Finnish Air Force used that symbol before the Nazi's.

Iaculus;271564][quote=North_Ranger said:

Okay, I misinterpreted the "not just in the States" thing. I forgot he was a mountie.

And the swastika thing... I prefer to err on the side of human ignorance rather than assume people know about the heraldic tradition of a small European nation

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Could be wrong, but wasn't it initially a Hindu symbol?[/QUOTE]

According to Wikipedia, the use of the symbol predates even Hinduism, going as far back as the Neolithic period. Apparently it's one of those symbols that are universally produced in various cultures throughout Eurasia.