Green_Lantern
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It's the massive plastic forehead.
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kaykordeath
Finale thoughts:
I didn't hate it.
That being said, I'd be fairly comfortable with this being a SERIES finale. Just enough tied up and cases closed with some character growth in the end with enough "what next" to leave you thinking that their world really will go on. Sylar's on again off again on again off again redemption will hopefully take. I never minded the redemption only hated the teasing of it back and forth.
And as for the "brave new world" do we REALLY need to SEE those stories play out? Do we really need to see the series continue to ERASE Claire's reveal? And if not, then to prove Noah right? Do we really want "no more mutants?" If we do get one more season, I'd love to see it return to the promise of season 1 about being stories of Heroes around the world, as opposed to some Epic crisis.
I didn't hate it.
That being said, I'd be fairly comfortable with this being a SERIES finale. Just enough tied up and cases closed with some character growth in the end with enough "what next" to leave you thinking that their world really will go on. Sylar's on again off again on again off again redemption will hopefully take. I never minded the redemption only hated the teasing of it back and forth.
And as for the "brave new world" do we REALLY need to SEE those stories play out? Do we really need to see the series continue to ERASE Claire's reveal? And if not, then to prove Noah right? Do we really want "no more mutants?" If we do get one more season, I'd love to see it return to the promise of season 1 about being stories of Heroes around the world, as opposed to some Epic crisis.
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I still think that subplot is just stupid. I think the idea of widespread hatred of [strike]mutants[/strike] specials is probably a bit dated. There'd be plenty, of course, but it wouldn't be the world Noah's describing. Plus, I still don't get what Claire has to hide. What? Most, if not all of these people are perfectly capable of blending in. All the carnies seemed to blame their lot in life on their powers. Why? What exactly makes that true? I don't get it.
So, for someone that used to love the series but hasn't followed it since, oh, early Season 3, what's the run down on this season so far? Good? Bad? Anything of significance going on?
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kaykordeath
Individual episodes- Some good some bad, an extremely mixed back.
Characterization- Some people liked Samuel the head carnie as the big bad, some hated him (and not in the good hate the villain kind of way). I enjoyed him. We was, to me, entertaining to watch.
Overall plot arc for the year- Pretty much a dud. Just an example of some epic threat is looming and growing and oooh isn't he mysterious and wow look at all the past heroes mythology he ties into and oooh character drama and hesitation and consequence and now let's all come together and unite against this big threat and over...
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chakz
Individual episodes- Some good some bad, an extremely mixed back.
Characterization- Some people liked Samuel the head carnie as the big bad, some hated him (and not in the good hate the villain kind of way). I enjoyed him. We was, to me, entertaining to watch.
Overall plot arc for the year- Pretty much a dud. Just an example of some epic threat is looming and growing and oooh isn't he mysterious and wow look at all the past heroes mythology he ties into and oooh character drama and hesitation and consequence and now let's all come together and unite against this big threat and over...[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say it was a dud. I mean it wasn't great but it was still ok. I mean they did some good things with the characters, the plot wasn't frustrating there were no particularly boring moments and it ended on a pretty good note. I suppose "It didn't suck" isn't exactly what you want out of a tv show, but its better than what we've been getting.
I'm sure the overall plot needs another seasons (yes it seems the show might have a plot again, lets see how long it lasts.) but they could still go some places with the characters. Sylar and peter have started a "Dynamic duo" thing, and I'd be interested in seeing where it goes. Hiro is always a pleasure to watch, he seems to be done, but they could really do anything with him. Same thing for Parkman he could really do anything. I kind of wish Clair would go away, but I can see where she could grow out of this too. I would, how ever like to see where bennets relationship with her goes after this. Though I'd enjoy it more if they somehow did it without her.
Ultimately I (mostly) agree with you kay, they could very well end it here. Its a good spot to turn it off. Not really good, but not too bad either. The only two I'd really want to see is peter and sylar, who seems to be a believable good guy now.
http://www.avclub.com/articles/brave-new-world,38029/
The AV Club had a pretty hilarious review of the finale, giving it an F. I just read it out of morbid curiosity, though. I haven't watched since the Season 3 premiere.
The AV Club had a pretty hilarious review of the finale, giving it an F. I just read it out of morbid curiosity, though. I haven't watched since the Season 3 premiere.
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I read that just now. The author of that review is guilty of almost as many omissions and factual errors as he accused Kring and co. of. Like the opening of his second paragraph. That's just flat wrong. The entire point of this season in fact has been that Samuel's powers are proportional to the number of nearby specials. I have no idea where he's getting the "absolutely no mention" thing from. It's been following Samuel since they went to the old lab. Hell, the character himself references the film.
The show is not worth watching so I'm confused as to why I still do. What made season 1 so great was a. the self discovery of powers and how people coped and b. a totally bad ass villian. They should treat each season as a stand alone mini series with new characters. I'd have kept "the company" as the one constant and scrub most everyone else each season. This way you don't have to top the "save the world" from season 1. With new characters you could bring in minor storylines (like Parkman finding out his wife was having an affair) and keep the characters grounded in a somewhat normal life. There's not really anywhere to go with the current cast of characters. And the whole "Sylar is a good guy" is just a cop out. It's like the writers said "he's really popular but we can't continue to have him kill so we've got to figure out how to make him good." Let's forget that he brutally murdered dozens of people. Now he's a hero.
I know they don't have a big budget but look at Supernatural. They don't have a big budget but they pull off a good story and have decent special effects. Heroes is frustrating because they spend all season building up a showdown and then have a battle behind closed doors, or in this case, a two minute throw down with Peter. And wouldn't it have been easier to have Hiro teleport Samuel out of the park instead of everybody else? I just don't know where else they can go with this series but I'm thinking neither do the writers.
I know they don't have a big budget but look at Supernatural. They don't have a big budget but they pull off a good story and have decent special effects. Heroes is frustrating because they spend all season building up a showdown and then have a battle behind closed doors, or in this case, a two minute throw down with Peter. And wouldn't it have been easier to have Hiro teleport Samuel out of the park instead of everybody else? I just don't know where else they can go with this series but I'm thinking neither do the writers.
As far as seasons/finales go, overall, I thought it was mediocre.
Sylar becoming a goody again, fine, I don't like it but ok, it's somewhat understandable though horribly paced. Samuel was a nice villain though, I liked his power and where they took him. Final fight was a disappointment, but somewhat expected after the last finale. It just seems like this whole season was a giant build up to a dud.
Instead of a new season I'd end it here, on this premise of outing themselves.
Like Fade said, the whole 'oh noes we're mutants' plot is kind of useless to explore, because it's been done before and it seems like nearly every mutant in Heroes can hide their abilities just fine, so there's little to no conflict to explore there. I'm sure they'll somehow get things going, but I can't imagine it being good writing.
Having said all that though, Hiro and Sylar are keeping me into this series so I'll end up watching the next season as well.
Sylar becoming a goody again, fine, I don't like it but ok, it's somewhat understandable though horribly paced. Samuel was a nice villain though, I liked his power and where they took him. Final fight was a disappointment, but somewhat expected after the last finale. It just seems like this whole season was a giant build up to a dud.
Instead of a new season I'd end it here, on this premise of outing themselves.
Like Fade said, the whole 'oh noes we're mutants' plot is kind of useless to explore, because it's been done before and it seems like nearly every mutant in Heroes can hide their abilities just fine, so there's little to no conflict to explore there. I'm sure they'll somehow get things going, but I can't imagine it being good writing.
Having said all that though, Hiro and Sylar are keeping me into this series so I'll end up watching the next season as well.
According to the AV Club article the writers don't have the seasons planned out. That should not happen. Imagine if they wrote Dexter like that. How can you effectively tell a story if you don't know how it's going to end? Hiro is the only reason I watch the show. He is totally enjoyable. And I still don't know why they didn't kill off Sylar at the end of season one. I understand he's popular. Hell, I thought Trinity was awesome in Dexter but how bad would the series become if they kept him around for the next few seasons? Or if they kept the Ice Truck killer around after season one? Are these the only heroes in the world that can stop villians? Why do we still have Claire, Matt, Tracie/Nicki or whatever she goes by now? I wish they'd end the series after this season. Possibly bring it back as a mini series in the future when the writers have an idea of what they are going to do. No sense if putting the show through a slow death.
At least we actually got to see the final battle this time. Last season it took place behind closed doors and while we KNEW something awesome was happening in there, we never got to fucking see it.
The plot from Season 2 that I liked was Claire becoming interesting in science and the applications of her powers to helping the world, and I think that would be a very good thing to revisit in the next season. Preferably it would be revisited in such a way that Claire ISN'T an idiot - she knows perfectly well that if she's not careful she'll end up in a lab being studied. Having her working with Mohinder on it instead of handing herself off to some evil lab would be nice.
And then of course there'd still be bad people trying to abuse her, but it's an even fight executed by smart people. Yeah, yeah, pipe dream. Whatever.
As for Sylar, I didn't like how quickly he turned good again, and I understand the people who think he should have been eliminated after Season 1, but I honestly only watch the show because he's in it, so I can't blame them for keeping him there.
And then of course there'd still be bad people trying to abuse her, but it's an even fight executed by smart people. Yeah, yeah, pipe dream. Whatever.
As for Sylar, I didn't like how quickly he turned good again, and I understand the people who think he should have been eliminated after Season 1, but I honestly only watch the show because he's in it, so I can't blame them for keeping him there.
To be fair, it only seems quick to us. To him, it was 5 years. A lame loophole I'll admit, but it at least makes sense.
Yeah, Sylar becoming a good guy didn't bother me at all. It's something that has actually been going on for several episodes (earlier than the trapped in his mind thing). What worries me is that they will probably turn him bad again halfway into the next season...
And blegh that last line was cheesy.
And blegh that last line was cheesy.
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It sure was. Plus it made no sense to the cameras she was approaching. Not to mention, NO ONE would think of superpowers when she did that. They'd think it was a stunt. Especially at a carnival. People's minds always average things to normality. And even when they don't, most people would only be slightly amazed (possibly jealous).
Also, even though she can heal, she still should've passed out underground. Her lungs may regenerate, but they still couldn't provide oxygen that wasn't there. Also, how did Traci not pass out from lack of air? And also, did Peter magically regain more-than-one-power-at-once in the 5 years in Sylar's head? He seemed to rotate Multiple Man around before going mental. Then he flew without touching Nathan.
Also, even though she can heal, she still should've passed out underground. Her lungs may regenerate, but they still couldn't provide oxygen that wasn't there. Also, how did Traci not pass out from lack of air? And also, did Peter magically regain more-than-one-power-at-once in the 5 years in Sylar's head? He seemed to rotate Multiple Man around before going mental. Then he flew without touching Nathan.
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Wyrminarrd
Peter didn't spin multiple man around, that was done by Syler and showed how well the two of them were starting to work together.
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