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There's gotta be at least a few people in here who know that:

I know a lot of you don't watch it anymore, but until it drops to the story quality of Naruto filler... I've been watching too long to stop now. I still like it, just not as much as in the first season. It's still better than a lot of other stuff on TV, and it's on Hulu. (I don't have a digital TV tuner yet, so.)

I'm still watching Heroes. It's not what I wish it was, but it's still entertaining.

I'd be watching it, but they made the grievous mistake of running it against House M.D. If it where still Chuck in the 8pm timeslot, I'd have trouble choosing... but it's Heroes, and while I enjoy Heroes, I LOVE House M.D. So I'll basically be watching Heroes on Hulu.

Whoa! There's a TV show featuring people with superpowers in it?! Hot digity, there's no way that could screw up!

*Watches first season* THAT WAS TOTALLY WICKED! What happens next? Did Sylar live? What happens to Hiro? MOAR!

*watches second season* Huh...well, that was a lot more hit and miss. And anti-climactic, but I blame the strike. And Sylar was useless here. At least Hiro's story was interesting. And Adam looks like a great future villain; ditto for Matt's dad. Wonder what happens next? Oh, shit! Sylar's got his powers back? OH SHI---

*starts watching third season* Okay, what the fuck is this shit? Where did this great show go? Why are they killing off all these great characters who have nothing but unlimited potential? Why do they keep going back to the future over and over again, with the stupid paintings and everything? Christ, it was cool in the first season because it was original, but now it's just overplayed. There's so many other staples of superhero mythology to pick from than this, guys! Screw it, I'm done. I'm not going back.

YAOMTC said:

Has anyone here *not* stopped watching this?

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Does it count if I never started watching it in the first place and never will?

I watch it because I like it better than anything else in its time slot (I can get the CBS shows later), and it's one of the best-looking HD shows.

I stopped watching way back in the first season because I was tired of the too-many plotlines leaving every scene too short and every episode too splintered. I picked it up again at the tail end of Season 3, but as that elicited nothing more than a "meh" I'm done with it.

The show is called Heroes but the only person who ever seems to do anything is the villain . . . they killed off in Season 1. What the fuck is wrong with the writers?

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Has anyone here *not* stopped watching this?

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Does it count if I never started watching it in the first place and never will? [/QUOTE]
This.
I think I caught part of the first episode, said "Fuck this shit".

I think being a Heroes fan is kind of like being a Red Sox fan. You keep up with it, even though most of the time it's crap, and yet sometimes, you're rewarded with some good stuff. Unfortunately, there's a LOT of crap to go through.

Almost made it through the third season. What an awful show.

They had a second and third season?

Ironically, I haven't caught up with the show

I saw the S4 Premiere then last weeks episode was pre-empted by sports here locally on NBC.. As much as I'd love to nerd rage on another network taking a shit on a show because of sports, I'm guessing I didnt miss much.

I'm hoping they give us SOMETHING this season. Some kind of good fights or a big battle, after last seasons complete bullshit behind-closed-doors crap..yea...

I'll give it till the seasons end, then I'm out for good. Nothing will re capture the magic of season 1 but we can hope..we can hope..

Ok, just watched the season premiere... It's actually a pretty good start for the season. Still need to watch episode 2 (and 3 later this week) but it doesn't look like it's going in a bad direction.

Don't do it Ash. They will just sucker you in with a few good moments than BAM! back to suckville!

This show was set up to be a one or two season show. The network doesn't have the FX budget to develop the characters beyond that. So if they try to do it, they are just going to ruin it. Which they did.

Lost fell into the same trap. It was a 2-3 season show at the max. They tried to stretch it longer, and it only got good again when they decided to end it.

Heroes could be good if they had a full character refresh every year or two, but they won't, so it will suck.

Espy said:

Don't do it Ash. They will just sucker you in with a few good moments than BAM! back to suckville!

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Like I said: Red Sox.

Anyone figured out what the fuck Hiro is doing?

3 seasons of "WE CANT CHANGE TIME, IT WILL FUCK US ALL OVER!!!" to "Ok, a small change here can't hurt.."

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Mav said:

Anyone figured out what the fuck Hiro is doing?

3 seasons of "WE CANT CHANGE TIME, IT WILL FUCK US ALL OVER!!!" to "Ok, a small change here can't hurt.."

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It's ether to show his maturity as a human being, where he's beginning to understand that changing history is a risk, but it won't always turn out bad... or it's just the writers making him dumber so he can be used by the Carnie folks.

I was totally gonna stop watching it, but then one of my friends mentioned the new season and how i should watch it, and i had nothing else do do... the bastard pulled me back in... out:

oh lord i'd forgotten about the 'behind closed doors' fight. fuck this show.

It was a royally stupid idea to let it go against House. That's the death-knell. I saw the premiere, but nothing else. It hasn't been appealing enough to Hulu.

It's sucksville, but I have watched every episode on Hulu. If it wasn't on Hulu, I wouldn't bother. Actually, all my tv watching is done on hulu.

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It was a royally stupid idea to let it go against House. That's the death-knell. I saw the premiere, but nothing else. It hasn't been appealing enough to Hulu.

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Basically this. I'm hoping they get a fucking clue and move it back to 9 where it was at least a moderate success. It's got to be drowning at 8.

YAOMTC said:

There's gotta be at least a few people in here who know that:

Spoiler

some of Sylar's mind thinks that he's Nathan, while the rest is stuck inside Matt's mind, like a contagion transmitted during his "operation"; Claire is in college now with a roommate that now knows about her power; Noah is learning some compassion; there is a minor character who seems to have some kind of prophetic ability through tattoos?; and Hiro is slowly dying and can't currently control his powers.

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great, its Onslaught all over again

I still watch it. It's not what I'd like it to be but it's not as bad as some of the crap out there. I know I stole part of another poster's post, but it summed up my thoughts well.

Grrr. I missed last night's episode and went to watch it on NBC's site. Their interface is worse than ever. I could not figure out how to get their higher quality video working. In protest I am aquiring the episode through other means.

I just saw the 2nd and 3rd. As much as I hate contradicting myself, this season actually has picked up a little compared to the last. I don't particularly like the carnie guy. He's sort of ho-hum. I've always hated Claire, and unfortunately, these episodes have been Claire-heavy.

Aside from the show being a blatant rip off of the X-Men, the characters all suffer serious xmenitis, a disease characterized by constantly whining about fantastic superpowers instead of enjoying them.

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Aside from the show being a blatant rip off of the X-Men, the characters all suffer serious xmenitis, a disease characterized by constantly whining about fantastic superpowers instead of enjoying them.

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To be fair to the xmen, they do get rocks thrown at them when they go out... and they wear some uncomfortable looking gear too.

Well, its picking up some.

The shit with Claire is still boring, but the girl girl kiss was hot.

Thank god they aren't stretching Sylar/Nathan all season long. I'm hoping once he gets his memory back, he's loyal to the carnies and helps them.

What the fuck is Peter's power? Is he still stuck on absorbing one power at a time or is he back to Ranged Rogue again? I like he isn't Emo Peter anymore, but some clarification would be nice.

So far decent, better than season 3 thus far.

I don't know if I'm alone in this belief, but I feel Sylar should have just been killed off properly at the end of Season 1. The character has been so wishy-washy ever since that it feels like the writers are struggling to find things to do with him.

Claire's outlived her usefulness, too. Though, I read that it was the actress' idea to do a lesbian relationship for her character and the writers just went with it.

Plus, I really want to see just ONE character that dresses up in a gaudy costume and goes on patrol and such. Because really, of all the people getting powers, SOMEONE in the world would do that. Hell, I know I would. Come to think of it, I think that'd be a great role for Hiro. Better than anything they've done with him, lately.

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I don't know if I'm alone in this belief, but I feel Sylar should have just been killed off properly at the end of Season 1. The character has been so wishy-washy ever since that it feels like the writers are struggling to find things to do with him.

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I agree, so much. Sylar surviving past season one was one of the worst things done to Heroes.

Dude the only thing Heroes is only 'still' interesting is because of Sylar if they didnt have him it would probably suck.

And that fight between them at the end of season two was total bullshit

BlackCat said:

Dude the only thing Heroes is only 'still' interesting is because of Sylar if they didnt have him it would probably suck.

And that fight between them at the end of season two was total bullshit

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You mean Season 3?

Season 2 ended with Hiro/Nathan/Matt trying to stop Peter/Kenzo from releasing the virus, Sylar was mostly running around trying to get his powers back, then took a junkie-like hit of the Shanti Cure in the alley way at the end when Elle let him get away.

Season 3 ended in the shitacular behind-closed-doors 2vs1 fight..

Which, and I'm not trying to cut them slack, but that fight would have sucked. Nathan can only fly, Peter was 1 Power Wonder at the time, so he started the fight with Nathans flying too, his choosing a single power to fight with would have been retarded, with no healing factor, he's dead meat, just like Nathan was a sitting duck for Sylar.

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Dude the only thing Heroes is only 'still' interesting is because of Sylar if they didnt have him it would probably suck.

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Or, Heroes would be better on the whole without the distraction of Sylar and the writers could have gone much better places instead of wearing down every other potential character and plotline with the grating annoyance of an over-powered villain.

Totally agree that Syler should have left the show after season 1.

So far I´m liking season 4 better then I did season 3, on the whole I find that some characters are less annoying this season then in the previous one. Hopefully the writers will try and avoid having Claire completely revert to her "angsty" persona of season 3, she was singlehandedly ruining the show in season 3 imo.

Meh, I still find Sylar at his worst waaay more entertaining than some of the other main characters that are still around, no matter the circumstances.

All in all, I think this season is being much better than the previous one. Most of it makes sense! And I feel the writers have at least some idea of what they want to do, unlike in books 3 and 4.

yeah i'm sorry i got the seasons mixed up just that fight could have been epic like how they screwed it up at the end of season one as well whats the point of all these powers if we cant have a decent mini mega boss fight with a lot of collateral damage?

LOL the kids singing the theme to "The Greatest American Hero"! I was really liking the whole hole Sue Thomas/file-clerk bit... until her power split a hole in her wall. *sigh* Dazzler knock-off here we come.

Yes, what is the point of having all these world destroying powers if you're not going to have epic action scenes? If they're not going to do stuff like that, maybe they should consider going a more subtle route instead. Stop giving characters the cliche X-men beat-em-up powers, and start examining a broader scope of abilities, maybe something without obvious military application. The tattoo guy who can control earth is an interesting start, but how about more creative use of subtle powers?

Ugh. MORE whining about powers. And could this show rip off X-Men anymore? Now they have a Magneto and a Brotherhood.

And you're right. Let's DO something with these powers. They serve almost no point in the plot as it other than pretty occasional special FX.

I had hoped that the new writers would speed up the glacial pace, but if anything, that episode was even slower. There were maybe four major plot advancements in that one hour show.

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yeah i'm sorry i got the seasons mixed up just that fight could have been epic like how they screwed it up at the end of season one as well whats the point of all these powers if we cant have a decent mini mega boss fight with a lot of collateral damage?

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Well, season 1 was perfect. Did we want the big epic fight? Yea but think of like this;

If they had a big epic fight in the season 1 finale, how would it have played out? Peter would win, at least up until he lost control of his radio active powers, since Sylar couldnt heal then and Peter could.

PLUS

Assuming NBC played it smart for the following seasons, giving us the instant gratification of a big fight in season 1 would turn some people off. Not a lot but some people watch the big fight and go "well, i doubt they'll top that", tv shows are like any form of entertainment, "always keep them wanting more".

Now, by season 3, they coulda gave us a couple mid sized fights but the behind doors shit was lame ;\

I still watch it and it's a little better than season two and three. I like the fact they've scaled back on heroes and are focusing on just a few. I also like the heroes getting back to their day to day activities. The Sylar/Matt thing is enjoyable. And Hiro and Ando are fun to watch. The storyline where the guy wanted to kill himself because he brought shame to his family for copying his ass was great. Unfortunately, the rest of the characters are boring. I wish they had done season one as a stand alone mini series because it was a fun ride. Like I said I still watch but unlike season one I would not recommend it to any friends or coworkers.

Haven't watched last night's episode yet, but I found last week's to be the most enjoyable episode in a while.

I really like the carnival concept, the actor will always be scummy dirty T-Bag from Prison Break to me but I think he's pulling off the carnival master very well. I loved the iconic posing as he was "welcoming" Sylar in at the end. I also liked how they brought Sylar back as he was terribly missed.

For the first time in a long time, Peter isn't annoying me. And while color-combat power seems WAY cheesy, I'm willing to give it a try.

Figured someone was aware of Claire, figured it wasn't Gretchen, but didn't see invisibility coming (pun semi intended). That being said, I am still VERY done with Claire in general. Please move along. And take Tracy with you.

And give me more Hiro. Repeated story line or not (and really, we get it, time travel is scary dangerous bad risky), him and Ando are too entertaining to psas up.

the music powers were pretty cool in my opinion and of course sylar came back from the grave again.

does this mean we have to sylars now? My opinion is stil held Peter's mom is a bitch. Was she the mom in the remake of the Manchurian Candidate?

Holy fucking shit...this is one damn good episode of Heroes tonight (11/02/09). One of the best thus far of the season..and its barely half way over..

Hiro tossing out a Chrono Trigger reference, sweet!

Seeing Charlie again Seeing Issac

Knowing he saved her but she is still dying from the tumor

Toying again with the idea of making Sylar good. Do something with him.

Okay, THAT was actually good. If they could keep up this pacing and these story twists, the show might be saved.

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Okay, THAT was actually good. If they could keep up this pacing and these story twists, the show might be saved.

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If they do it right, the show could be in for a complete and utter reboot.

If Sylar never killed Charlie, and never met with Peter in Odessa, who knows what else doesn't happen. And now he has to jump through time hoops (figuratively speaking) for the carny guy to get Charlie back? Who knows what else he could change!

PLUS..what if Hiro was telling the truth, and he visited the future and saw how Sylar was truly killed? All the heroes gathering to defeat him.. Imagine the series finale, one big battle royal, FINALLY? I'll hang in there just to see that happen..

Its about time we got some full on time line screw ups, for all we know Peter never got Claires power, went nuclear, took out NY, Arthur never nabbed Adam's ability, who knows.. I just pray they take this opportunity..please take it and USE it, there is still some life left in the show, reboot it now, get rid of Claire, get rid of Nikki/Jessica/Whoever, get rid of Mohinder and Matt. De-power Sylar or kill him, bring in more villains, new heroes, and something different than OMG TEH WORLD IZ ENDING!

I still watch the show, but I won't be able to check the new episode until tomorrow. I like the new season a lot more than the previous two and I think I'll be watching the show until the end. I still watch smallville so the bar is not so high

It really does seem like this season is shaping up rather nicely. I also dug the Chrono Trigger reference... very apt for Hiro, considering all the time travel. Let's just hope he doesn't pull a Chrono Cross and fuck everything up for everyone BECAUSE of that time traveling.

I actually didn't like this episode. Arggh. I was okay with this season. I'll see where it goes, it just feels like nothing will come of it; nothing major, anyway.

I really wish they'd shake things up.

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I actually didn't like this episode. Arggh. I was okay with this season. I'll see where it goes, it just feels like nothing will come of it; nothing major, anyway.

I really wish they'd shake things up.

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This is how I felt too. I was hoping for something earth shattering (maybe killing off a character for real?). I'm sure I'll keep watching though. Hell, I've stuck with it this long.

Yeah, but plot point actually occurred over the course of the hour, which is a vast improvement.

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I actually didn't like this episode. Arggh. I was okay with this season. I'll see where it goes, it just feels like nothing will come of it; nothing major, anyway.

I really wish they'd shake things up.

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This is how I felt too. I was hoping for something earth shattering (maybe killing off a character for real?). I'm sure I'll keep watching though. Hell, I've stuck with it this long.[/QUOTE]

If you've read spoilers, they ARE killing off 1 character this season, 1 male character. I can tell you down to two people who its between (based on spoilers). Interesting choices if you ask me.

I think it's going to be Noah Bennet... he's been getting fed shit all this season and I think it's going to stick.

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I think it's going to be Noah Bennet... he's been getting fed shit all this season and I think it's going to stick.

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Killing off the only major character with no powers would be too bad.

I'd kind of like to see Sylar go b/c they are writing anything good for him.

It looks like they are setting up for Hiro to go, with the tumor and all.

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I think it's going to be Noah Bennet... he's been getting fed shit all this season and I think it's going to stick.

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Killing off the only major character with no powers would be too bad.

I'd kind of like to see Sylar go b/c they are writing anything good for him.

It looks like they are setting up for Hiro to go, with the tumor and all.[/QUOTE]

He has an easy out though: Go back in time to see Linderman, get him to heal Hiro via Hiro's father's influence or as a favor. Or save the kid who got murdered by the crooked cop. Ether is fairly simply for Hiro.

Killing Hiro would certainly kill the show. He's the only popular character they've got.

Sylar won't be going anywhere... he's still under contract for 2 years at least.

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I think it's going to be Noah Bennet... he's been getting fed shit all this season and I think it's going to stick.

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Nope, he lives.

Where are the spoilers at anyway?

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I think it's going to be Noah Bennet... he's been getting fed shit all this season and I think it's going to stick.

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Killing off the only major character with no powers would be too bad.

I'd kind of like to see Sylar go b/c they are writing anything good for him.

It looks like they are setting up for Hiro to go, with the tumor and all.[/quote]

He has an easy out though: Go back in time to see Linderman, get him to heal Hiro via Hiro's father's influence or as a favor. Or save the kid who got murdered by the crooked cop. Ether is fairly simply for Hiro.[/QUOTE]

Peter got the healing powers from that kid already... no need for Linderman...


Also, yay, Charlie is back... even if she's in Limbo... i hope Hiro gets a happy ending eventually.

Maybe Charlie is keeping Peter's old fling company.

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Maybe Charlie is keeping Peter's old fling company.

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lol..no she is stuck in the alternate timeline future, that they basically wrote off since it was a plothole, charlie is just somewhere in the past or future of the current timeline

K, I'm bringing this back up.

This is definitely the best season since the 1st. There's actually some sort of plot/direction. They aren't fundamentally changing the personality of the characters to the point of unbelievability. The plot twists are believable. Will we ever get some big ass smack down fight between any of the characters? Unfortunately, probably not. I don't think they'll ever regain the popularity they had of the 1st season, meaning they probably won't have the budget to do something big. I can live with that.

Though, I guess you COULD argue we finally got to see Peter and Sylar fight.

I don't really like what they're doing with Nathan and Sylar. They're just dragging it out.

They could set up an epic fight b/t Sylar and Peter, but they probably won't do that soon.

As for the carnies, that holds some potential. I just hope Hiro gets Charlie back.

If find [strike]The Brotherhood[/strike] the carnival plot kind of annoying. At least the carnies are starting to act less like sheep. I also still want to slap Claire and Tracy for whining about powers. And why the hell is Tracy whining about turning to ice again? She seemed "cool" enough with it before to give a clever wink to Claire.

I think Tracy's problem was more that she didn't seem to be able to control it.

As to the Nathan/Sylar thing, watch the latest episode.

I have a love/hate thing with the carnies. I like that there is actually a group in this universe who gathered together. Is the carnie leader gathering these heroes not to destroy, but to build his own land somewhere?

Sounds a bit like Genosha. I don't mind if the writers dip into some of the X-men storylines. Hell, I'd welcome that if done properly. I'd just like to see some serious fighting b/t groups. Carnage and chaos. I'm tired of the one-on-one little fights. Can we get an entire episode battle royale?

I don't mind where they steal from either - comic book companies have been stealing from each other for years, why can't a TV show?

And, I completely agree with the groups thing. Considering how many people seem to pop up with powers every few episodes, it seems like there'd be SOME group of people out there who would "team up".

I wish everyone would shut up about "not being able to live their lives". Especially Claire. What is so different about her? She's basically normal as long as she's not injured. Which you know happens publicly to everyone on a daily basis, right? Their trying to do the X-Men discrimination thing, but it's falling apart. The reason it worked in X-Men was that people openly knew about muties.

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I wish everyone would shut up about "not being able to live their lives". Especially Claire. What is so different about her? She's basically normal as long as she's not injured. Which you know happens publicly to everyone on a daily basis, right? Their trying to do the X-Men discrimination thing, but it's falling apart. The reason it worked in X-Men was that people openly knew about muties.

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Well, when Claire was loosing her ability to feel pain, and thought she'd stop being able to feel anything at all, it made sense for her to worry about her power. With that crisis over, it's not her power causing troubles, it's other people with powers trying to screw with her that's the issue. Maybe in 40 years or so, when everyone around her is starting to wrinkle and gray, and she still looks twenty-something, then she can start agonizing about her power again.

You're right about the discrimination thing. Especially since I'm not sure we've seen a single person on heroes who can't hide their power as long as they can learn to control it (Except the self-mutated Mohinder, I just remembered). None of them look like a freak. No one has wings, fur, scales, cat eyes or anything else that would make it hard for them to blend-in. The whole fear of discovery hinges on one thing, controlling powers, and that shtick is already getting old.

Perhaps the real freaks are what the next season will be about? The ones who can't hide their changes?

Yeah, for some reason it's easy to hide their powers, and yet there seems to be an infinite supply of people who know about everyone that has a power.

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Yeah, for some reason it's easy to hide their powers, and yet there seems to be an infinite supply of people who know about everyone that has a power.

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I think that's because for every power you possess your IQ goes down 4 points.

Peter was damn near Forrest Gump at the end of the first season.

I just can't seem to put this series down. Though this season has been better, the afore mentioned hiding of powers irks me and thus Claire and the lack of asskicking so far. It is a nice buildup, but I hope it won't end with another closed door scene..

http://www.screenjunkies.com/tvnews/exclusive-heroes-will-most-likely-get-5th-season

why... WHY. why is it that a show like chuck has to struggle to get a third season, and this gets FIVE?!

My personal version of twitchmoss post:

twitchmoss said:

http://www.screenjunkies.com/tvnews/exclusive-heroes-will-most-likely-get-5th-season

why... WHY. why is it that a show like [strike]chuck[/strike] Pushing Daisies has [strike]to struggle to[/strike] don't get a third season, and this gets FIVE?!

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http://www.hulu.com/heroes <-- all of season 4 through the end of today.

I just got caught up with heroes over the last few days. It's still interesting and fun.

So, did they already build Genosha?

Just like my boycott of EA games, I'm done with Heroes cause NBC are assholes who got rid of Conan.

I'll miss Hiro, Charlie, Sylar and the gang. Was a good 4 years.

You could just torrent it, you know. It wouldn't be benefiting NBC.

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So, did they already build Genosha?

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For real. If they duplicate one more x-man.... plus [strike]Magneto[/strike] Samuel is kind of a douche more than a villain.

Yes, Samuel is just a whiny annoying tool. Give us a badass like Magneto! I don't want to sympathize or empathize with the dude. I want to despise him and fear him. Ugh.

Me, I like my antagonists/protagonists/main characters complicated and unconventional at times. I actually like Samuel just as much as I do Sylar (but for different reasons). Each to their own, though.

Besides, it's not as if there's many other shows with superhuman characters out there right now, right? It's filling a void, and doing not a bad job of it right now, IMO.

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Yes, Samuel is just a whiny annoying tool. Give us a badass like Magneto! I don't want to sympathize or empathize with the dude. I want to despise him and fear him. Ugh.

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I like when villains cause me to both sympathize and fear them, my favorite is Mr.Freeze.

Magneto is less sympathetic, but I do feel a bit of empathy to him. =P

But I don't find Samuel complicated at all. He's a man-child.

Also, speaking of Genosha, didn't that already happen in like season 2 when they were flying the specials out somewhere?

I hate the term "ability". I just sounds like they are trying to carefully avoid the word "power".

Well... looks like Samuel just became a legitimate, full on villain. Too bad he basically acted like a high schooler when he did it.

Green_Lantern said:

I like when villains cause me to both sympathize and fear them, my favorite is Mr.Freeze.

Magneto is less sympathetic, but I do feel a bit of empathy to him. =P

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I agree on both of these, but what is there to empathize with Samuel about? He isn't being persecuted, his wife wasn't killed, etc. Same with Sylar.
I wouldn't mind seeing Hiro going rogue b/c Samuel's actions end up killing her. I could empathize with that.


BTW, Mr. Freeze from the animated series is by far one of my favorite villains!

Easy. One can empathize with Samuel because he was turned down by the only woman he ever really had feelings for. Even after he showed her the fantasy home he built. I also get the feeling he had her in mind when he had the plant guy make the oasis.

It's not exactly a "suck it up and move on" sort of situation, IMO. She was one of the few things he really cared about, aside from "the family".

He was pretty obsessive though. Dude was a creeper.

But I felt sorry for the creeper... at least until he went and destroyed the town. Then I was just like "okay sweet he's a real supervillain now".

"drawn_inward said:

Green_Lantern said:

I like when villains cause me to both sympathize and fear them, my favorite is Mr.Freeze.

Magneto is less sympathetic, but I do feel a bit of empathy to him. =P

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I agree on both of these, but what is there to empathize with Samuel about? He isn't being persecuted, his wife wasn't killed, etc. Same with Sylar.
I wouldn't mind seeing Hiro going rogue b/c Samuel's actions end up killing her. I could empathize with that.

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Sorry, I misread your post and thoughed that you DON'T want a villain like magneto.

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BTW, Mr. Freeze from the animated series is by far one of my favorite villains!

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Of course, BTAS Mr.Freeze is The Mr.Freeze, accept no substitutes.

Stopped in season three, the part where its all Mutant act and they are shoved into a plane.

I was half-expecting Sylar to take over a genetic testing lab island and call it Genosha.

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Of course, BTAS Mr.Freeze is The Mr.Freeze, accept no substitutes.

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Speaking of which, I'm currently in the process of... purchasing the series. I haven't seen it since I was a kid, so I don't remember it very well besides the opening theme and that it was just awesome in general. The purchase is about 80% complete. I'm looking forward to watching it again when this transaction has finished...

Man, I think I am going to quit this show. It's getting worse and worse. The court room crap is just the lamest stuff ever. Emo-sylar. I'm done. If they bring in J.M.S. to write, I'll come back.

I get why Samuel did what he did, that woman was basically his last excuse to even continue trying to live with humans. Still mega lame for him to throw a tantrum and destroy a town, but hey, at least he's an actual villain now?

The whole court scene was kinda lame and very predictable, but Emolar takes the cake really.

I personally thought the "court" scene was hilarious. I couldn't take it seriously at all with Hiro's dead father banging his grated cheese "gavel".

Personally, the quoting Quantum Leap and then getting called on it totally made it work for me.

drawn_inward said:

Man, I think I am going to quit this show. It's getting worse and worse. The court room crap is just the lamest stuff ever. Emo-sylar. I'm done. If they bring in J.M.S. to write, I'll come back.

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Screw that, bring in JMS to actually do a Rising Stars TV show, which Heroes half ripped-off for there first season.

I'd still like to actually see some, you know, superpowers.

I freakin' hate Claire. Did I mention that? Geez quit your bitching about not being normal when for all intents and purposes you are.

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I freakin' hate Claire. Did I mention that? Geez quit your bitching about not being normal when for all intents and purposes you are.

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She's just playing the part of a teenage/college girl. You could hate worse.

The cheerleader girl? I've only seen seasons 1 and 2, but I can't understand how she got that part. I think she's pretty awful. She's my least favorite actress on the show.

So Heroes still sucks? Wow. Would would have thought...

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The cheerleader girl? I've only seen seasons 1 and 2, but I can't understand how she got that part. I think she's pretty awful. She's my least favorite actress on the show.

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It's the massive plastic forehead.

Either that or they wanted a character the audience would want to see jump off a scaffolding repeatedly.

Clatu verata....um....shit....um.....nik*cough Cough*


Thread necronomicon aside- Anybody else watch the wall? I like were its going.


You know what? This season would of made for a good second season. The writers have to fight an uphill battle with this one, and that detracts from it some what. But if it had started at the top of the hill, it probably would have been pretty acceptable.

stienman;332236][QUOTE=Cajungal said:

The cheerleader girl? I've only seen seasons 1 and 2, but I can't understand how she got that part. I think she's pretty awful. She's my least favorite actress on the show.

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There is a picture of "her", and you can't tell if it as wax statue or a human being.

Finale thoughts:

I didn't hate it.

That being said, I'd be fairly comfortable with this being a SERIES finale. Just enough tied up and cases closed with some character growth in the end with enough "what next" to leave you thinking that their world really will go on. Sylar's on again off again on again off again redemption will hopefully take. I never minded the redemption only hated the teasing of it back and forth.

And as for the "brave new world" do we REALLY need to SEE those stories play out? Do we really need to see the series continue to ERASE Claire's reveal? And if not, then to prove Noah right? Do we really want "no more mutants?" If we do get one more season, I'd love to see it return to the promise of season 1 about being stories of Heroes around the world, as opposed to some Epic crisis.

I still think that subplot is just stupid. I think the idea of widespread hatred of [strike]mutants[/strike] specials is probably a bit dated. There'd be plenty, of course, but it wouldn't be the world Noah's describing. Plus, I still don't get what Claire has to hide. What? Most, if not all of these people are perfectly capable of blending in. All the carnies seemed to blame their lot in life on their powers. Why? What exactly makes that true? I don't get it.

So, for someone that used to love the series but hasn't followed it since, oh, early Season 3, what's the run down on this season so far? Good? Bad? Anything of significance going on?

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So, for someone that used to love the series but hasn't followed it since, oh, early Season 3, what's the run down on this season so far? Good? Bad? Anything of significance going on?

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Individual episodes- Some good some bad, an extremely mixed back.

Characterization- Some people liked Samuel the head carnie as the big bad, some hated him (and not in the good hate the villain kind of way). I enjoyed him. We was, to me, entertaining to watch.

Overall plot arc for the year- Pretty much a dud. Just an example of some epic threat is looming and growing and oooh isn't he mysterious and wow look at all the past heroes mythology he ties into and oooh character drama and hesitation and consequence and now let's all come together and unite against this big threat and over...

kaykordeath;339669][QUOTE=ThatNickGuy said:

So, for someone that used to love the series but hasn't followed it since, oh, early Season 3, what's the run down on this season so far? Good? Bad? Anything of significance going on?

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Individual episodes- Some good some bad, an extremely mixed back.

Characterization- Some people liked Samuel the head carnie as the big bad, some hated him (and not in the good hate the villain kind of way). I enjoyed him. We was, to me, entertaining to watch.

Overall plot arc for the year- Pretty much a dud. Just an example of some epic threat is looming and growing and oooh isn't he mysterious and wow look at all the past heroes mythology he ties into and oooh character drama and hesitation and consequence and now let's all come together and unite against this big threat and over...[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't say it was a dud. I mean it wasn't great but it was still ok. I mean they did some good things with the characters, the plot wasn't frustrating there were no particularly boring moments and it ended on a pretty good note. I suppose "It didn't suck" isn't exactly what you want out of a tv show, but its better than what we've been getting.
I'm sure the overall plot needs another seasons (yes it seems the show might have a plot again, lets see how long it lasts.) but they could still go some places with the characters. Sylar and peter have started a "Dynamic duo" thing, and I'd be interested in seeing where it goes. Hiro is always a pleasure to watch, he seems to be done, but they could really do anything with him. Same thing for Parkman he could really do anything. I kind of wish Clair would go away, but I can see where she could grow out of this too. I would, how ever like to see where bennets relationship with her goes after this. Though I'd enjoy it more if they somehow did it without her.

Ultimately I (mostly) agree with you kay, they could very well end it here. Its a good spot to turn it off. Not really good, but not too bad either. The only two I'd really want to see is peter and sylar, who seems to be a believable good guy now.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/brave-new-world,38029/

The AV Club had a pretty hilarious review of the finale, giving it an F. I just read it out of morbid curiosity, though. I haven't watched since the Season 3 premiere.

I read that just now. The author of that review is guilty of almost as many omissions and factual errors as he accused Kring and co. of. Like the opening of his second paragraph. That's just flat wrong. The entire point of this season in fact has been that Samuel's powers are proportional to the number of nearby specials. I have no idea where he's getting the "absolutely no mention" thing from. It's been following Samuel since they went to the old lab. Hell, the character himself references the film.

The show is not worth watching so I'm confused as to why I still do. What made season 1 so great was a. the self discovery of powers and how people coped and b. a totally bad ass villian. They should treat each season as a stand alone mini series with new characters. I'd have kept "the company" as the one constant and scrub most everyone else each season. This way you don't have to top the "save the world" from season 1. With new characters you could bring in minor storylines (like Parkman finding out his wife was having an affair) and keep the characters grounded in a somewhat normal life. There's not really anywhere to go with the current cast of characters. And the whole "Sylar is a good guy" is just a cop out. It's like the writers said "he's really popular but we can't continue to have him kill so we've got to figure out how to make him good." Let's forget that he brutally murdered dozens of people. Now he's a hero.
I know they don't have a big budget but look at Supernatural. They don't have a big budget but they pull off a good story and have decent special effects. Heroes is frustrating because they spend all season building up a showdown and then have a battle behind closed doors, or in this case, a two minute throw down with Peter. And wouldn't it have been easier to have Hiro teleport Samuel out of the park instead of everybody else? I just don't know where else they can go with this series but I'm thinking neither do the writers.

As far as seasons/finales go, overall, I thought it was mediocre.

Sylar becoming a goody again, fine, I don't like it but ok, it's somewhat understandable though horribly paced. Samuel was a nice villain though, I liked his power and where they took him. Final fight was a disappointment, but somewhat expected after the last finale. It just seems like this whole season was a giant build up to a dud.
Instead of a new season I'd end it here, on this premise of outing themselves.

Like Fade said, the whole 'oh noes we're mutants' plot is kind of useless to explore, because it's been done before and it seems like nearly every mutant in Heroes can hide their abilities just fine, so there's little to no conflict to explore there. I'm sure they'll somehow get things going, but I can't imagine it being good writing.

Having said all that though, Hiro and Sylar are keeping me into this series so I'll end up watching the next season as well.

According to the AV Club article the writers don't have the seasons planned out. That should not happen. Imagine if they wrote Dexter like that. How can you effectively tell a story if you don't know how it's going to end? Hiro is the only reason I watch the show. He is totally enjoyable. And I still don't know why they didn't kill off Sylar at the end of season one. I understand he's popular. Hell, I thought Trinity was awesome in Dexter but how bad would the series become if they kept him around for the next few seasons? Or if they kept the Ice Truck killer around after season one? Are these the only heroes in the world that can stop villians? Why do we still have Claire, Matt, Tracie/Nicki or whatever she goes by now? I wish they'd end the series after this season. Possibly bring it back as a mini series in the future when the writers have an idea of what they are going to do. No sense if putting the show through a slow death.

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Final fight was a disappointment, but somewhat expected after the last finale. It just seems like this whole season was a giant build up to a dud.
Instead of a new season I'd end it here, on this premise of outing themselves.

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At least we actually got to see the final battle this time. Last season it took place behind closed doors and while we KNEW something awesome was happening in there, we never got to fucking see it.

The plot from Season 2 that I liked was Claire becoming interesting in science and the applications of her powers to helping the world, and I think that would be a very good thing to revisit in the next season. Preferably it would be revisited in such a way that Claire ISN'T an idiot - she knows perfectly well that if she's not careful she'll end up in a lab being studied. Having her working with Mohinder on it instead of handing herself off to some evil lab would be nice.

And then of course there'd still be bad people trying to abuse her, but it's an even fight executed by smart people. Yeah, yeah, pipe dream. Whatever.

As for Sylar, I didn't like how quickly he turned good again, and I understand the people who think he should have been eliminated after Season 1, but I honestly only watch the show because he's in it, so I can't blame them for keeping him there.

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As for Sylar, I didn't like how quickly he turned good again, and I understand the people who think he should have been eliminated after Season 1, but I honestly only watch the show because he's in it, so I can't blame them for keeping him there.

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To be fair, it only seems quick to us. To him, it was 5 years. A lame loophole I'll admit, but it at least makes sense.

Yeah, Sylar becoming a good guy didn't bother me at all. It's something that has actually been going on for several episodes (earlier than the trapped in his mind thing). What worries me is that they will probably turn him bad again halfway into the next season...

And blegh that last line was cheesy.

It sure was. Plus it made no sense to the cameras she was approaching. Not to mention, NO ONE would think of superpowers when she did that. They'd think it was a stunt. Especially at a carnival. People's minds always average things to normality. And even when they don't, most people would only be slightly amazed (possibly jealous).

Also, even though she can heal, she still should've passed out underground. Her lungs may regenerate, but they still couldn't provide oxygen that wasn't there. Also, how did Traci not pass out from lack of air? And also, did Peter magically regain more-than-one-power-at-once in the 5 years in Sylar's head? He seemed to rotate Multiple Man around before going mental. Then he flew without touching Nathan.

How does Traci breath when she's in water form?!

And i'm guessing Claire would have gone into a coma like Adam did (if i remember right).

Also, why didn't Peter just copy Sylar's power, then he could have any ability too.

I thought that was the reason he could fly! He just copied Sylar.

Sure, it makes sense, as with the spinning stuff, but it was annoying that they didn't show it...

Peter didn't spin multiple man around, that was done by Syler and showed how well the two of them were starting to work together.

Yeah at that point he couldn't have copied Sylar since he still had Matt's powers.