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Constitutional limitations apply to all levels and branches of government.[/QUOTE]
Alright. Maybe I bolded too much. Allow me to try again.
No law has been made here. The media dicks around with the government in most countries. And in pretty much every one of those countries, the government dicks right back. It's when laws are passed in the midst of all of the dicking, that we start crossing lines, as confirmed by your constitution, apparently.
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You're right, no law has been passed here, and therefore there has not been a clear First Amendment violation. My point is that they're starting to skirt the line, with the push to have Fox "alienated" and pressuring the other networks to maybe toss them from the White House Press Pool.
Putting aside hypothetical constitutional crises for a second, it's just plain unseemly for the White House to be getting involved in a public "war" with Fox. It makes the WH sound like a bunch of thin-skinned amateurs, and probably isn't the best thing to be doing when we're supposed to be dealing with more important matters (Afghanistan, anyone? Almost two months since McChrystal's troop increase request.) Krisken's link showed that some elements in the Bush White House wanted to publicly call out MSNBC, but the idea was shelved due to it being "unpresidential."
I really think this is going to backfire on Obama in a big way. Even liberal commentators are questioning the wisdom of going after Fox like this, and Fox's ratings are continuing to go up.
I see. I don't think this could really lead to a constitutional crisis at all, which is why I don't take this as seriously, I guess, but I can see what you're saying now.
My only concern here is whether it would backfire, but Fox has been under pressure from the White House for a while, hasn't it? Didn't one of the linked articles mention that they haven't been granted any interviews with Obama recently, when the other networks have? Maybe being as explicit as the White House has been this time might be unwise, but I certainly don't think it's undue. And it's certainly not unconstitutional.
You know, if an administration want to piss off and alienate the viewers of Fox/CNN/MSNBC, then by all means, they can go nuts. I don't really care if they never give Fox or NBC or Cartoon Network an interview. It's their gamble to make and they can live with what comes from it, regardless of whom the administration is at the time.
In the end people need to watch a hell of a lot less 24 hour news networks anyway.
In the end people need to watch a hell of a lot less 24 hour news networks anyway.
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I think everyone can agree on this point.
I think everyone can agree on this point.[/QUOTE]
:tea: I'll join ya's on that one.
I think everyone can agree on this point.[/QUOTE]
:tea: I'll join ya's on that one.[/QUOTE]
Here too.
To the pub!
I think everyone can agree on this point.[/QUOTE]
:tea: I'll join ya's on that one.[/QUOTE]
Here too.
To the pub![/QUOTE]
I see what you di- eh, whatever.
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I think everyone can agree on this point.[/QUOTE]
:tea: I'll join ya's on that one.[/QUOTE]
Now, the new question is, can we all agree that the Minnesota Gopher hockey team rules all?
I'll hang up and listen.
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Considering I'm a pragmatic socialist in favor of a mixed-system, I still find the woman to be a bit of an idiot.
Now to see if I'm going to be called a traitor or an irredeemable fool for believing in socialism >_>
Now to see if I'm going to be called a traitor or an irredeemable fool for believing in socialism >_>
Er, why? The entire western world is mixed-system, with varying degress of socialism. In fact, off the top of my head I can't think of any pure capitalist societies out there; maybe some in Africa but that's probably more anarchist than capitalist.
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Eh, there's a tea party group at Rutgers that's been picketing the main campus with "Socialism is Treason!" and "Disband the Democratic Party!" signs as of late when I go to speak to the admins there. I get accosted every time for my views haha.
I hope these aren't Rutgers students! Because if they were, the irony would be thick - demonstrating against socialism at a public university...
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I dunno, but they ARE insanely annoying. I made a crack about the inevitability of empires to fall and a very angry, very big man got in my face and screamed that I was a traitor and should be deported to cuba with my commie buddies.
I dunno, but they ARE insanely annoying. I made a crack about the inevitability of empires to fall and a very angry, very big man got in my face and screamed that I was a traitor and should be deported to cuba with my commie buddies.[/QUOTE]
Dang.. I'm glad Canadian politics are a little less cut-throat.
I wonder who would win in a fight between Jean Cretien and Dick Cheney ...Dude also took down a burglar in his own house. At 62, he was still kicking ass
I wonder who would win in a fight between Jean Cretien and Dick Cheney ...[/QUOTE]Dude also took down a burglar in his own house. At 62, he was still kicking ass
I think we all would.
I wonder who would win in a fight between Jean Cretien and Dick Cheney ...[/QUOTE]Dude also took down a burglar in his own house. At 62, he was still kicking ass
I think we all would.[/QUOTE]
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I wonder who would win in a fight between Jean Cretien and Dick Cheney ...[/QUOTE]Dude also took down a burglar in his own house. At 62, he was still kicking ass
I think we all would.[/QUOTE]
hahah.
The Shrubber speaks truth.
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