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Steven Soderburgin
That's completely false, though. You can't say "******" without associating that word with the hundreds of years of racism, bigotry, and oppression, no matter what the intent.
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Apparently they are to some small-minded people
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Steven Soderburgin
Chazwozel: The edgiest halforum poster? You decide!
Ross
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You're wrong.[/QUOTE]
Again, opinion. I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm right, I'm just making arguments based on my ethics and opinions. I may be wrong by your standards, but in the end there is no clear-cut view on this specific subject.
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Steven Soderburgin
Thrill as he substitutes hate speech for words that are ALMOST derogatory words!
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makare
I use negative words alot, I swear often etc. I just have never considered censorship of those words to somehow destroy my ability to communicate. I would have to change the way I communicate, but it would not in any way censor me or my opinions.
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Steven Soderburgin
Thrill as he substitutes hate speech for words that are ALMOST derogatory words![/QUOTE]
Marvel at his ability to go just shy of over-the-line, only to cowardly back away!
Dave
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Apparently they are to some small-minded people[/QUOTE]
I don't think Ross is small minded. Like it or not it's a word that has sneaked into the lexicon of gaming culture to have a different meaning than what it is commonly referred to now and that means it's going to be used and we have to figure out how to deal with it.
So here's what I propose:
If a known epithet with multiple meanings is used in a non-confrontational, obvious way that is not directed at a specific group and that usage is reported, we will blank out the use of the word, send a non-infraction warning to the user and move on.
Does that sound fair or is it over reacting?
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Chazwozel
Thrill as he substitutes hate speech for words that are ALMOST derogatory words![/QUOTE]
Marvel at his ability to go just shy of over-the-line, only to cowardly back away![/QUOTE]
Fag.
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Steven Soderburgin
Thrill as he substitutes hate speech for words that are ALMOST derogatory words![/QUOTE]
Marvel at his ability to go just shy of over-the-line, only to cowardly back away![/QUOTE]
Be amazed at his casual sexism and homophobia, and astound at his denial of any such attitudes!
Ah, yes, gaming culture. That bastion of progressive ideas and acceptance.
Also, the meaning to which you are referring isn't really that different from the original meaning.
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Chazwozel
I..I agree? No, actually I really do.
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makare
How about if the person keeps doing it you edit out the offending word, say "you are such a fag" to the person's name, "you are such a <insert name>"? Then we all get a big haha.
this is more or less a joke in case anyone doesn't realize that.
this is more or less a joke in case anyone doesn't realize that.
ElJuski
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Not censoring your opinions doesn't mean you have to be a blatant asshole about other people. For instance, there's an awesome /b/ meme right now I'm DYING to use on you, Chaz, but I won't, because I'm feeling reasonably nice.
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But my god would it drive the point home.
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But my god would it drive the point home.
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Steven Soderburgin
Yes, I'll argue with Chazwozel. That sounds incredibly productive and not at all an exercise in futility.
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Chazwozel
Thrill as he substitutes hate speech for words that are ALMOST derogatory words![/QUOTE]
Marvel at his ability to go just shy of over-the-line, only to cowardly back away![/QUOTE]
Be amazed at his casual sexism and homophobia, and astound at his denial of any such attitudes!
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Denial? I deny nothing. Now get back into the kitchen with your life partner and bake me a pie (please don't shed any HIV on it).
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I just did that a page ago with Homer and Plinko!
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Steven Soderburgin
Cool, Chazwozel just admitted to being a bigot. Can we ban him now?
Cajungal
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Yes, I'll argue with Chazwozel. That sounds incredibly productive and not at all an exercise in futility.[/QUOTE]
Then the sarcastic comments might be just as futile, yes? And give him a reason to post that garbage. I'm not putting all the blame on you, but you can't possibly think that you were being productive at all just now.
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makare
there is no rule against being a bigot. how about you just take it to PMs and leave the thread alone.
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Chazwozel
I just think Kissybear hunts for oppression more so than is actually dealt out to him, overreactions like that warrant a good mockery.
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The South shall rise again. Don't worry, I'm quite secure enough with myself to not fret when an political correctness zealot, whiny fool makes false assertions about me. Now where's my bible and lynching rope?
After the HIV comment, I'd go ahead and post it Juski. Hell I'd do it if I were home and had access to the imagery.
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Steven Soderburgin
I'd prefer to openly call out this sort of shit when I see it.
Ah, there's the denial I predicted!
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makare
kissinger, chaz is not a bigot he is an antagonistic jerk. Calling him on his shit feeds him. FFS.
The only point you are making is that you are a willing target.
The only point you are making is that you are a willing target.
ElJuski
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After the HIV comment, I'd go ahead and post it Juski. Hell I'd do it if I were home and had access to the imagery.[/QUOTE]
I'm still on the verge of being the better man.
*shrug* Certain words, such as "the n-word" (and seriously, I flippin' hate obligatory censorship. I rarely if ever use that sort of wording, but I despise this sort of asterisking it out.), hold a connotation partially because people cling to and insist that it has a negative value - those being "targetted".
First people were handicapped. Then disabled. Then motorically challenged. Then different-abled. Then...well, I'l actually not sure what the PC version is of refering to someone with a physical handicap. Nor do I really give a crap.
The thing is - calling a guy a crip, or a gimp? Calling something lame? Saying something's retarded? Those I can all easily see as truely derogatory. Calling someone "handicapped" is currently still highly un-PC; yet a lot of users just mean it as a descriptive. Having a handicap in golf or whatever, isn't meant as an insult to the differently abled (and yes, I've heard people say the term should be changed).
By the people themselves *claiming* a term as instantly and always derogatory, it *becomes* more and more linked with a minority and a negative stereotype of it. Saying any term anyone fnds offensive is, de facto, an offensive word and should be avoided/censored is completely ridiculous. Soem words *can* be used in different meanings (such as handicapped). Some pretty muchc an't (the N-word). Does "gay" or "fag" belong inthe one category or the other? I dunno.
Gay is definitely used as a non-derogatory way of saying "practising homosexual". Fag, when refering to a person who is fysically attracted to those of the same gender and/or sex, would seem to be always meant derogatorily...and it's a diminutive term when used elsewhere, too. That doesn't, to my mind, automatically mean that every time it's used, it's being used in a manner meant to be negative towards homosexuals.
As far as I'm concerned, anything should be OK, as long as it isn't used ad hominem or in a strictly derogatory way towards said minority....But if every use *is* going to offends omeone...Well...I dunno.
I think "You fucking queer!" is a punishable offense, whereas "I had a gay old time" isn't. Clearly. "Man, I had an annoying game on CSS today. The other guy was a total respawn fag" sounds, to me, the same as "the other guy was a retard", "the other guy was a lame ass", "the other guy was a fucking n00b". They're all negative, but I'd say none of them are meant explicitly to hurt the possibly offended parties.
First people were handicapped. Then disabled. Then motorically challenged. Then different-abled. Then...well, I'l actually not sure what the PC version is of refering to someone with a physical handicap. Nor do I really give a crap.
The thing is - calling a guy a crip, or a gimp? Calling something lame? Saying something's retarded? Those I can all easily see as truely derogatory. Calling someone "handicapped" is currently still highly un-PC; yet a lot of users just mean it as a descriptive. Having a handicap in golf or whatever, isn't meant as an insult to the differently abled (and yes, I've heard people say the term should be changed).
By the people themselves *claiming* a term as instantly and always derogatory, it *becomes* more and more linked with a minority and a negative stereotype of it. Saying any term anyone fnds offensive is, de facto, an offensive word and should be avoided/censored is completely ridiculous. Soem words *can* be used in different meanings (such as handicapped). Some pretty muchc an't (the N-word). Does "gay" or "fag" belong inthe one category or the other? I dunno.
Gay is definitely used as a non-derogatory way of saying "practising homosexual". Fag, when refering to a person who is fysically attracted to those of the same gender and/or sex, would seem to be always meant derogatorily...and it's a diminutive term when used elsewhere, too. That doesn't, to my mind, automatically mean that every time it's used, it's being used in a manner meant to be negative towards homosexuals.
As far as I'm concerned, anything should be OK, as long as it isn't used ad hominem or in a strictly derogatory way towards said minority....But if every use *is* going to offends omeone...Well...I dunno.
I think "You fucking queer!" is a punishable offense, whereas "I had a gay old time" isn't. Clearly. "Man, I had an annoying game on CSS today. The other guy was a total respawn fag" sounds, to me, the same as "the other guy was a retard", "the other guy was a lame ass", "the other guy was a fucking n00b". They're all negative, but I'd say none of them are meant explicitly to hurt the possibly offended parties.
I'm going to weigh in on the whole fag thing seeing as I'm probably the most vocal FAG in the group.
I HATE the fact that it's become common lexicon among young people. I'll tell you right now, it IS hurtful. I hate to use the whole "you'll never understand because you've never been in that position" argument, but in my case it's true. I came out when I was pretty young, and had to deal with being called a fag on a regular basis and it almost drove me to suicide when I was younger. Luckily I'm a stronger person than they were assholes.
To Shego, If that image said Do it DYKE, do you think you'd have the same response to it?
The usage of the word hasn't changed. calling people ******s is still inherently tied to homophobia. It's calling people gay, and saying that because they are implied as being gay they are stupid, weak willed, and effeminate.
You can use all the justifications that you want, but you are being a racist when using the Nword and a homophobe when using the word Fag. Just because you're able to rationalize it doesn't make it right.
I HATE the fact that it's become common lexicon among young people. I'll tell you right now, it IS hurtful. I hate to use the whole "you'll never understand because you've never been in that position" argument, but in my case it's true. I came out when I was pretty young, and had to deal with being called a fag on a regular basis and it almost drove me to suicide when I was younger. Luckily I'm a stronger person than they were assholes.
To Shego, If that image said Do it DYKE, do you think you'd have the same response to it?
The usage of the word hasn't changed. calling people ******s is still inherently tied to homophobia. It's calling people gay, and saying that because they are implied as being gay they are stupid, weak willed, and effeminate.
You can use all the justifications that you want, but you are being a racist when using the Nword and a homophobe when using the word Fag. Just because you're able to rationalize it doesn't make it right.
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Chazwozel
After the HIV comment, I'd go ahead and post it Juski. Hell I'd do it if I were home and had access to the imagery.[/QUOTE]
I'm still on the verge of being the better man.[/QUOTE]
DO IT CIGARETTE!!!!!!
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Chazwozel
I'd prefer to openly call out this sort of shit when I see it.
Ah, there's the denial I predicted![/QUOTE]
You are woman, hear you roar?
This. Goodbye, dude. You're just not worth knowing anymore.
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