I hope you weren't too attached to Dollhouse!

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Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

because. well. It's cancelled. Joss Whedon failed to find an audience again? holy shit how did that happen????????????

alternate post: Fox screwed over good sci-fi again? holy shit how did that happen??????????
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

and i knew not watching it was the right choice... now when i see it in the future my rage will only be half of what it would be if i had seen it when it aired...
 
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Kitty Sinatra

Whedon's gonna announce the cancellation via twitter? He should've done it back when we had that contest. That would've scared the life out of enough of y'all, he would've won.
 
Fun Size

Fun Size

Pity. I was pretty on the fence on the show, and then I saw the unaired episode on the DVD. Between that and the season thus far, I was starting to get into it. My bad. At least he gets to end this one, unlike Firefly. "Merry Christmas - you're all fired."
 
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TotalFusionOne

My views on Fox:

They buy a lot of shows that are being shopped around not to air them themselves, but in order to make sure no one else airs them. Fireflys perfect spot would have been Sunday nights at 8 or 9 which would have gone head on with Simpsons/Family Guy. It would have wrecked the Fox lineup and forced many people just to DVR what they normally would watch, so they bought up Firefly and drove it into the ground.

Dollhouse and Sarah Conner have similar stories. Nothing. For. Adults. Airs. On. Friday. Night. Period. It doesn't work. It's never worked. Family shows and old people shows is all that should go there.
 
Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

TotalFusionOne said:
My views on Fox:

They buy a lot of shows that are being shopped around not to air them themselves, but in order to make sure no one else airs them. Fireflys perfect spot would have been Sunday nights at 8 or 9 which would have gone head on with Simpsons/Family Guy. It would have wrecked the Fox lineup and forced many people just to DVR what they normally would watch, so they bought up Firefly and drove it into the ground.
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Everything you just said is wrong. They buy shows for the same reason anyone buys shows: they think they'll make them money.
 
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elph

I have a theory that Dollhouse wasn't meant to live that long. That (if I'm remembering this all correctly) Joss only had a contract with Fox for 4 new shows and that Dollhouse was #4 (Buffy, Angel, & Firefly being the other 3). This now frees him from Fox's clutches and open to shop around.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

elph said:
I have a theory that Dollhouse wasn't meant to live that long. That (if I'm remembering this all correctly) Joss only had a contract with Fox for 4 new shows and that Dollhouse was #4 (Buffy, Angel, & Firefly being the other 3). This now frees him from Fox's clutches and open to shop around.
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Except Buffy and Angel started out on the WB, not Fox.
 
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Kitty Sinatra

And what you're saying is that both Fox and Whedon put their money, time and creativity into making something they wanted to fail.

They both wanted it to last, man. Even if it was the last show Whedon was gonna make for Fox.
 
Dieb

Dieb

It was a pretty damn good show. Probably the darkest network show I've ever watched, which is probably why it never found an audience. So it goes.
 
MindDetective

MindDetective

AshburnerX;297088][quote=elph said:
I have a theory that Dollhouse wasn't meant to live that long. That (if I'm remembering this all correctly) Joss only had a contract with Fox for 4 new shows and that Dollhouse was #4 (Buffy, Angel, & Firefly being the other 3). This now frees him from Fox's clutches and open to shop around.
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Except Buffy and Angel started out on the WB, not Fox.[/QUOTE]

It is a Fox property, though. http://www.foxhome.com/buffysplash/
 
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TotalFusionOne

Charlie Dont Surf;297084][quote=TotalFusionOne said:
My views on Fox:

They buy a lot of shows that are being shopped around not to air them themselves, but in order to make sure no one else airs them. Fireflys perfect spot would have been Sunday nights at 8 or 9 which would have gone head on with Simpsons/Family Guy. It would have wrecked the Fox lineup and forced many people just to DVR what they normally would watch, so they bought up Firefly and drove it into the ground.
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Everything you just said is wrong. They buy shows for the same reason anyone buys shows: they think they'll make them money.[/QUOTE]

Then why didn't they air Firefly correctly?
 
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TwoBit

I'm still surprised it got a second season before it was inevitably canceled.
 
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elph

Reboneer;297291][quote=Green_Lantern said:
True Calling wasn't Whedon creation and fox show as well?
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It was a Fox show, but not a Whedon creation. It also really, really sucked.[/QUOTE]

I like to think I'm very forgiving for most shitty shows. I'll tend to at least try to keep my critisim contained to how the specific show is being handled and not compare it too much to other shows of it's type...

With that being said... I caught a marathon on Sci Fi (I refuse to call it by that.. other name) a couple times of Tru Calling. To say that it 'really really sucked' is still giving it far too much credit. This show did not give me much hope for the acting talent of Eliza, and still, she plays a wonderful blank in Dollhouse, but crappy any thing else.
 
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Chibibar

I actually kinda like Dollhouse. It took me a while to get "into it" so I'm sad.

8-9pm on a Friday is a bad time for many viewer group (16-30 give or take) most people around that age usually go OUT on a Friday night.

So my "conspiracy theory" is that Fox DID want it to fail, if they didn't should have put on a more prime time slot like Thursday or Sunday.
 
SpecialKO

SpecialKO

It's too bad, but in the end, for whatever reason/fault, I agree that I don't think they knew who there audience was supposed to be.

I think Joss had his own idea, and Fox had their ideas, and I'm sure some of the other folks involved had their own ideas, but it never really seemed to mesh outside of a couple of the better episodes (and the unaired one).

And at the end of the day, a product that doesn't know who their audience is can't succeed.
 
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Alex B.

I'm not surprised. I stopped watching it near the end of the first season, but I feel bad for the people who really liked it.

I would love love love to see Dichen Lachman (Sierra) in a Queen and Country style espionage series.
 
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Joe Johnson

I liked it. It wasn't a perfect show by any means, but certainly better than many of the shows that DON'T get cancelled.
 
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How to make a Whedon show.

Step one: Attractive girl with superpowers. Bonus points for making her stupid. Center story around this girl

Step two: Write a bunch of dialogue that sounds vaguely like the way people really talk, esp. regarding pop culture. Make it rambling and geek-like, yet strangely foreign, so that the net result is like watching a play of geeks talking.

Step three: hit trope-filled cast of five or so. Include bad-ass nerd and the bumbling normal who occasionally gets a moment to shine

Step four: Fill with unfleshed, poorly explained antagonists.

etc. etc.
 
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