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Mr. Lawface
That doesn't really work for Firefly.
I hope you weren't too attached to Dollhouse!
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That doesn't really work for Firefly.[/QUOTE]
Firefly is troperiffic - you recognize all the traditional cliches, but they've been stewed to a fine perfection.
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crono1224
I don't get using the word troperrific, wouldn't every show be that, I mean since there is pretty much a trope for everything....
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That doesn't really work for Firefly.[/QUOTE]
What? Firefly was one of the main ones I was using to write that.
1. River (she may not be the protagonist, but the story floats around her)
2. Most of what Mal and Wash say
3. Wash is the bumbling normal, the doc is the bad-ass nerd. You've got your standard Lancer in the black chick, etc.
4. We never learn much about any of the baddies. The movie explains a little more, but not much.
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For the record, I liked Firefly. But it was just about the only Whedon show I liked. I thought Buffy and Angel were just plain stupid. I thought he did a much better job with the Buffy movie, and the funny thing is that I seem to recall reading his complaints about how he hated it because he was so constrained or something like that.
Green_Lantern
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There is such think as aversion, subversions and inversions as well, and sheer trope/per pound content. xD
At least from a tvtropes perspective, "troperiffic" refers to a show that actually acknowledges and revels gloriously in its tropes, as opposed to a show that just employs a lot of tropes.
As the article notes, YMMV as to whether a show is troperiffic or just a Cliche Storm.
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Joe Johnson
Sooooooooooo....are we done talking about Dollhouse?
The new episode/s from Friday were OK - was this episode rewritten to reflect the beginning of the end? I think he was rewriting some of the episodes, since this is now the last season.
The new episode/s from Friday were OK - was this episode rewritten to reflect the beginning of the end? I think he was rewriting some of the episodes, since this is now the last season.
This thread was more talking about Dollhouse getting canceled than talking about Dollhouse
Yeah...the guy that plays Victor nailed Topher. That was pretty good.
I really enjoyed the episodes. I'm sad to see the series go. ED might not be a great actress, but the world was interesting, especially knowing that the world depicted in Epitaph One was where the series was going to go.
And I will admit that I didn't see the "twist" coming regarding the senator.
I really enjoyed the episodes. I'm sad to see the series go. ED might not be a great actress, but the world was interesting, especially knowing that the world depicted in Epitaph One was where the series was going to go.
And I will admit that I didn't see the "twist" coming regarding the senator.
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The Pumes
I wanted Dollhouse to live, and I play to an omnipotent god that it survives in one form or another. That or I just both Topher's and Viktor's actors to hit it big.
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Joe Johnson
I have found this season to be hit or miss - though I enjoyed the direction of the last episode.
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Gill Kaiser
They thought a more action-oriented series premiere would suck in the average viewer.[/QUOTE]
So they're not malicious, just incompetant?
Cancellation is the best thing to have happened to this series.
I mean, has anyone been watching this last half of the season? FUCK! It's really ramping up!
I can't wait to find out what they took away from Ballard to get his mind working again... but I have some theories.
Ballard: "Alpha's getting away!"
*steals a kid's bike, jumping on it before looking confused*
"..... FUCK!"
I mean, has anyone been watching this last half of the season? FUCK! It's really ramping up!
I can't wait to find out what they took away from Ballard to get his mind working again... but I have some theories.
Ballard: "Alpha's getting away!"
*steals a kid's bike, jumping on it before looking confused*
"..... FUCK!"
No joke, it really makes you wonder about the level of Fox involvement in what came before if this is what they get after they close the curtains.
I actually thought it was 50/50 Joss/Fox this time around. Apparently, I owe him an apology.
I don't know the production schedule of Dollhouse off the top of my head, but it's extremely likely the whole series was already shot/in the can before the cancellation decision was made.
I kind of like it. It's like watching a train wreck happen, that you know is going to happen, but you can't do anything to stop it.
I'm really afraid of where the series is going to end, though. Obviously the Epitaph One world is where we're heading, but it'll suck to just leave the story there.
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Joe Johnson
Well, the previews for the last three episodes sort of imply it might not end there - with characters saying, "There's still time to stop it", etc.
So, will it all go to sheesh? Or will they take down the company before they can screw things up...and the epitaph one is more of a "warning of what could happen".
So, will it all go to sheesh? Or will they take down the company before they can screw things up...and the epitaph one is more of a "warning of what could happen".
Yeah, even with the fake out that they pulled in Angel too...where they build up that Angel is going evil to fit in with the Circle of the Black Thorn, or whatever it was. So, when everyone else goes to face angel to take him out, Angel uses the spell to make it look like they are fighting while he explains the plan.
I kind of like it. It's like watching a train wreck happen, that you know is going to happen, but you can't do anything to stop it.
I'm really afraid of where the series is going to end, though. Obviously the Epitaph One world is where we're heading, but it'll suck to just leave the story there.[/QUOTE]
The last episode of the second season is Epitaph Two, I'm assuming it continues where the last one left off.
WHATTHEFUCK??!?
I remember reading a short story years ago about a bunch of kids who start a rooftop garden on an apartment building. At the end of the story, the building's superintendent has the janitor go up to throw out the vegetables and destroy the garden. Before he gets a chance, though, the kids destroy it themselves, rather than let someone else get their mitts all over their creation and hard work.
I feel almost like that's where this is going. Whedon is saying "We're canceled anyhow. How can we fuck this up beyond belief?" I mean, did this episode even make sense? I honestly don't know. My brain is overloaded from what's happened, and I can't even judge it at this point. But it feels like too much.
And for good measure:
WHATTHEFUCK??!?
No, I am confident this was planned from the beginning. We'll find out whether it actually makes sense next week.
Real spoilers this time:
Real spoilers this time:
Seriously what the hell? Gah!
Okay for real for real:
It is worth remembering that Boyd has always been intentionally shrouded in mystery. There's multiple times when someone asks why he works at the Dollhouse when he appears to be a pretty decent guy, and the show very deliberately doesn't let us learn the answer. I've often wondered what kind of backstory he could possibly have that would deliver on the suspense. Everything I thought of wasn't extreme enoughg to be worth the secrecy. Well, this certainly was worth the wait.
Other things worth recollecting:
Boyd probably was the one who reprogrammed Saunders as a sleeper to kill Bennet. Probably to slow down the team from getting Caroline's memory (of Boyd) for a little while longer.
Boyd (as we know him) might not even be the real Boyd. He (or, hell, the "head of the company" version of him, could be a doll.
Boyd has always served a rather significant purpose of being a metaphorical father figure. He cares for Echo like a daughter. Yet he has always been complicit in her "domestication" (if you managed to get this far without knowing the whole show is a feminist metaphor about reclaiming your own power and identity, um, well now you know. Go google your way into a variety of interviews and analysis). Knowing that he is not merely complicit but actively responsible radically changes the metaphor, although we won't know for sure how until next week.
Other things worth recollecting:
Boyd probably was the one who reprogrammed Saunders as a sleeper to kill Bennet. Probably to slow down the team from getting Caroline's memory (of Boyd) for a little while longer.
Boyd (as we know him) might not even be the real Boyd. He (or, hell, the "head of the company" version of him, could be a doll.
Boyd has always served a rather significant purpose of being a metaphorical father figure. He cares for Echo like a daughter. Yet he has always been complicit in her "domestication" (if you managed to get this far without knowing the whole show is a feminist metaphor about reclaiming your own power and identity, um, well now you know. Go google your way into a variety of interviews and analysis). Knowing that he is not merely complicit but actively responsible radically changes the metaphor, although we won't know for sure how until next week.
It's possibly that Boyd realized that no matter how he might control the company, the technology would get out of control. We know that Clyde 1.0's brain is being used to run simulations on ways the world might NOT end, so Boyd could be trying to prevent that. Which would stil make him an asshole for imprisoning Clyde 1.0 and starting the dollhouse in the first place, but not the worst of the people in the show)
Right, Boyd COULD be doing a "greater good" thing here. We know approximately why he was a handler in the LA Dollhouse - to observe and further the development of Echo's ability to integrate multiple personalities. The questions are 1) how did he know Caroline would have this ability? 2) Why does he want this ability? It could be that, in true villian fashion, he doesn't want to be affected by his own world-ending device. After all, you don't release a killing virus into the world unless you know it won't affect you. Similarly, in a world where anyone can be wiped, he would want the ability to keep his own original personality.
Another possibility is that he forsaw the end of the world as soon as Clyde 1.0 invented brain wiping. It's not too big a stretch to see that, in a world where people's personalities can be completely reworked, a future like Epitaph One is almost inevitable. The only way to stop it is to find a way to resist wiping. Boyd figured that out, and started Rossum specifically to find such a way. Perhaps all the evil they do is in an effort to stop the end of the world
Another possibility is that he forsaw the end of the world as soon as Clyde 1.0 invented brain wiping. It's not too big a stretch to see that, in a world where people's personalities can be completely reworked, a future like Epitaph One is almost inevitable. The only way to stop it is to find a way to resist wiping. Boyd figured that out, and started Rossum specifically to find such a way. Perhaps all the evil they do is in an effort to stop the end of the world
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