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They also taste great. Try one sometime JCM.
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JCM
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The people who made the rules didn't own pigs.
It boils down to this:
Demons of Hell have cloven hooves.
Pigs have cloven hooves.
Thus, pigs are seen as unclean, as they share that characteristic with demons from Hell.
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JCM
Not really.
All prohibitions besides the cloven hoof, mention that they are unclean, thus they should be avoided.
All Muslim sects forbid it, and a few other smaller religions.
My opinion that due to the excess of diseases one can get from a pig that isnt raised with today's cleaner standards made for a good rule, although today we can simply check where the meat we buy comes from, I figured out that since Ive eaten a lot of stuff people dont eat (horse, dog, several types of snakes, turtles + eggs, armadillo, tortoise, for example) it cant be bad me following the rules of religions I try to follow and abstain from one meat, can it?
BTW, I've also been abstaining from drinking for two years.
All prohibitions besides the cloven hoof, mention that they are unclean, thus they should be avoided.
Well,its in the Bible (old testament) as a prohibition for Jews, and also several Christian sects prohibit it (due to their interpretation of Jesus saying = "Think not that I am come to destroy the law" = the law against eating pig still stand.
All Muslim sects forbid it, and a few other smaller religions.
My opinion that due to the excess of diseases one can get from a pig that isnt raised with today's cleaner standards made for a good rule, although today we can simply check where the meat we buy comes from, I figured out that since Ive eaten a lot of stuff people dont eat (horse, dog, several types of snakes, turtles + eggs, armadillo, tortoise, for example) it cant be bad me following the rules of religions I try to follow and abstain from one meat, can it?
BTW, I've also been abstaining from drinking for two years.
Sorry. I thought that was the major explanation as to why they were considered unclean.
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JCM
My apologies, I was referring to that its not the only reason, you were right, its one of the major reasons.
Does that mean I cant eat anyone from Utah because they have a pitchfork like the devil?
Does that mean I cant eat anyone from Utah because they have a pitchfork like the devil?
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Kitty Sinatra
Yeah, I've always understood that religious prohibitions on certain foods originated from ancient food safety rules.
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Philosopher B.
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North_Ranger
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If memory serves, pigs are actually one of the more cleaner species of animals. So add that to the awesome list.
I'm still gonna eat them, though. The pig's brains, omnivore tendencies, speed, loudness or ability to keep an orgasm going are of secondary interest to me in comparison to how frickin' good bacon tastes.
I'm still gonna eat them, though. The pig's brains, omnivore tendencies, speed, loudness or ability to keep an orgasm going are of secondary interest to me in comparison to how frickin' good bacon tastes.
It boils down to this:
Demons of Hell have cloven hooves.
Pigs have cloven hooves.
Thus, pigs are seen as unclean, as they share that characteristic with demons from Hell.[/QUOTE]
Wait, seriously? I have sincere doubts as to that being the real reason. Maybe for simpletons, it might go, but I'm fairly certain that the contemporary image of devils include cloven hooves because pigs are forbidden, not the other way around.
The 'real' reason as I understand it has already been addressed, which is that they are ancient food safety rules. The same reason that the Israelites were prohibited from eating shellfish. How could Abraham know which shellfish was in a bad area and was going to kill him if he ate it? He couldn't. Solution: don't eat any.
It boils down to this:
Demons of Hell have cloven hooves.
Pigs have cloven hooves.
Thus, pigs are seen as unclean, as they share that characteristic with demons from Hell.[/QUOTE]
You know, I've studied this stuff and have never heard of that in my entire life. Where did you hear of that belief?
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JCM
I said it makes sense to avoid an unclean animal, people are so selective about their eating, so theres no harm in me obeying my religion.
Leviticus
11:7 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he [is] unclean to you.
11:8Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they [are] unclean to you.
Deuteronomy
14:8 and the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it [is] unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead caracass.
isaiah
65:3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
65:4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable [things is in] their vessels;
66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
My apologies for the confusion. I had an International Studies class in high school and my teacher mentioned that. I guess he might potentially have his facts wrong there.
North_Ranger
Staff member
Professors always simplify things for their students. And in fields were interpretation is the key, there's always the danger of multiple interpretations or being influenced by 'popular history', eg. The Tempest by William Shakespeare not getting many performances these days because of its association with imperialism. Shakespeare, of course, had no such intentions, writing at the very dawn of growing British global influence.
My understanding, and I have zero scientific basis for this since I haven't personally done any study, is that it was due health issues of the time(a quick google search gives me this on wiki: "A 1985 study by Nanji and French[9] found that there was a significant correlation between cirrhosis and pork consumption. Modern day swine raising is very different from earlier times with greater exposure to toxins but reduced exposure to pests and disease." take that for what it is) or it was a symbolic thing.
All I know is that for whatever reason it was, as a Christian I am no longer held to it or any other dietary law. I enjoy that.
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LordRavage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pig
Pigs harbour a range of parasites and diseases that can be transmitted to humans. These include trichinosis, Taenia solium, cysticercosis, and brucellosis. Pigs are also known to host large concentrations of parasitic ascarid worms in their digestive tract.[22] The presence of these diseases and parasites is one of the reasons why pork meat should always be well cooked or cured before eating. Some religious groups that consider pork unclean refer to these issues as support for their views.[23]
Pigs are susceptible to bronchitis and pneumonia. They have small lungs in relation to body size; for this reason, bronchitis or pneumonia can kill a pig quickly.[24] There is concern that pigs may allow animal viruses such as influenza or Ebola Reston to infect humans more easily. Some strains of influenza are endemic in pigs (see Swine influenza), and pigs also can acquire human influenza.
Pigs can be aggressive and pig-induced injuries are relatively common in areas where pigs are reared or where they form part of the wild or feral fauna.
(but I do have to say, zee pig taste good)
Pigs harbour a range of parasites and diseases that can be transmitted to humans. These include trichinosis, Taenia solium, cysticercosis, and brucellosis. Pigs are also known to host large concentrations of parasitic ascarid worms in their digestive tract.[22] The presence of these diseases and parasites is one of the reasons why pork meat should always be well cooked or cured before eating. Some religious groups that consider pork unclean refer to these issues as support for their views.[23]
Pigs are susceptible to bronchitis and pneumonia. They have small lungs in relation to body size; for this reason, bronchitis or pneumonia can kill a pig quickly.[24] There is concern that pigs may allow animal viruses such as influenza or Ebola Reston to infect humans more easily. Some strains of influenza are endemic in pigs (see Swine influenza), and pigs also can acquire human influenza.
Pigs can be aggressive and pig-induced injuries are relatively common in areas where pigs are reared or where they form part of the wild or feral fauna.
(but I do have to say, zee pig taste good)
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Philosopher B.
You bet your ass. Bring on the diseases!
And there ain't a man alive who wouldn't like a bite of this:
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WolfOfOdin
Satan has Cloven hooves due to early christians attempting to equate him with the mystery cults of Bacchus/Dionysus and the worship of Pan. Oddly, Satan usually has Chicken feet in some of the Chelm/Polish Jewish stories I've read as his major telling feature.
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Chazwozel
Witches have chicken feet in Polish folklore too. Fucking Babajaga!
Yeah, that's what I meant, since I quoted filmfanatic. I knew about the unclean thing.
Which does make sense at that point in time, and I suppose pigs are a bit fatty. I'm sure all meat products have some potential to fuck you up; can't say if pig meat is any worse.
I know I'm not supposed to have bacon as a cholesterol deal, but damn do I love bacon.
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JCM
Shego- yes, its not as unclean as before, if you get pig meat from modern rearing farms and know exactly where your bacon comes from. And its also forbidden by my religion, so I avoid eating it. Of course, I wont follow everything, for example, I maried Luiza, who is from a very Catholic family, against today's Islamic rules (but allowed by the Qran), but theres no harm in not eating pig meat, is there?
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