Presidential Physical Fitness Award? No! Makes kids feel bad.

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You know--Facebook has done one thing for me. It's proven to me that the jocks still do all right after high school despite all those pep talks the teachers used to give the nerds. "Oh, Melvin. One day you'll be Bif's boss!". Bullcrap. Bif's charismatic ability to sweet-talk means that he's still making more money than me, and is still the boss of Melvin and the other nerds who have 15 degrees.
 
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Chazwozel

wow, and segregating the fatties from the fit kids would probably be good for them. I remember the losers getting teased in gym class, making it hell for them. I look back on that and feel like I was an asshole just for not trying to stop it.

I also wonder why the fuck the teachers were so blind.
Because most people who were gym teachers in those days were the jocks and failed athletes who had nothing else going for them but their past glories and insecurities to sustain them. They look at the weak kids and are reminded that it is kids like these who are now their bosses, movers and shakers. The same kids they gave wedgies to and pantsed in front of the girls because they are smaller and weaker are the same ones who now control their lives. Gym teachers of yore were bitter ex-jocks who couldn't cope with no longer being the popular and fear-inducing figures they once were. They take out their failings on those whom they used to torment for fear that traits like compassion and pity would be misconstrued as fruity or gay. Then they dragged their sorry, balding, overweight bodies back to the trailers where their high school sweethearts (usually the prom queen) smoked their Marlboros and cooked spaghetti over a dimly lit fire while four unplanned children run around her feet in various stages of cleanliness and disrobing. Her girth and stained teeth are constant reminders that they are no longer the two they used to be as they settle into the uncomfortable evening of bland food, blander conversation and American Idol. After the kids are put to bed she goes to sleep watching E! while he surfs child porn on his computer, trying in vain to recapture his youth.[/QUOTE]


Really? My old grade school gym teacher was so fat that we called her 'Thunder-Thighs VanGordon". Even in grade school I couldn't put it past how a mean fat woman was our gym teacher. It made no sense to any of us.


<---- guesses Dave had a bad time in gym class.

High School gym class was great for me. Our football coach was the P.E. teacher and pretty much let the football players teach the class for him. We subdivided gym class into electives; I was in the weigh lifting section. It was really fun teaching my fellow classmates proper lift technique (especially the ladies <wink>)
 
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Chazwozel

You know--Facebook has done one thing for me. It's proven to me that the jocks still do all right after high school despite all those pep talks the teachers used to give the nerds. "Oh, Melvin. One day you'll be Bif's boss!". Bullcrap. Bif's charismatic ability to sweet-talk means that he's still making more money than me, and is still the boss of Melvin and the other nerds who have 15 degrees.

AHAHAHHAHAHHAAHAHA! Wait, I was both! Ack! Actually it was funny. My old football coach assumed we were all dumbasses. He had a policy of keeping a C average or you're benched. He looked at my grades and was nearly floored. I told him, "I'm not just a pretty face."
 

Dave

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wow, and segregating the fatties from the fit kids would probably be good for them. I remember the losers getting teased in gym class, making it hell for them. I look back on that and feel like I was an asshole just for not trying to stop it.

I also wonder why the fuck the teachers were so blind.
Because most people who were gym teachers in those days were the jocks and failed athletes who had nothing else going for them but their past glories and insecurities to sustain them. They look at the weak kids and are reminded that it is kids like these who are now their bosses, movers and shakers. The same kids they gave wedgies to and pantsed in front of the girls because they are smaller and weaker are the same ones who now control their lives. Gym teachers of yore were bitter ex-jocks who couldn't cope with no longer being the popular and fear-inducing figures they once were. They take out their failings on those whom they used to torment for fear that traits like compassion and pity would be misconstrued as fruity or gay. Then they dragged their sorry, balding, overweight bodies back to the trailers where their high school sweethearts (usually the prom queen) smoked their Marlboros and cooked spaghetti over a dimly lit fire while four unplanned children run around her feet in various stages of cleanliness and disrobing. Her girth and stained teeth are constant reminders that they are no longer the two they used to be as they settle into the uncomfortable evening of bland food, blander conversation and American Idol. After the kids are put to bed she goes to sleep watching E! while he surfs child porn on his computer, trying in vain to recapture his youth.[/QUOTE]


Really? My old grade school gym teacher was so fat that we called her 'Thunder-Thighs VanGordon". Even in grade school I couldn't put it past how a mean fat woman was our gym teacher. It made no sense to any of us.[/QUOTE]

Oh. I was talking about the men. The women were lesbians.
 

ElJuski

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In my teaching classes, the gym teachers are usually the chubby sports buffs with nothing better to do, or lazy frat boy ass bags who don't have the brains or the family connections to join gym class. Obviously a stereotype, but you can totally tell whose here training for that job, and why.

(For the record high school english teachers are usually either stoners, sorority girls, motherly types and people who got an english degree--went absolutely nowhere with it--and came back to try and get a big boy job. WHICH ONE AM I WHICH ONE AM I)
 

Dave

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In my teaching classes, the gym teachers are usually the chubby sports buffs with nothing better to do, or lazy frat boy ass bags who don't have the brains or the family connections to join gym class. Obviously a stereotype, but you can totally tell whose here training for that job, and why.
The reason this stereotype exists is because those who go to college on a sports scholarship FOR THE MOST PART pick majors that are easy to get by in. Physical sciences is one of these majors. So they get used up by the college, can't make it pro in whatever sport and come back to their home depresses, disillusioned and with no discernible skills other than their former physical prowess and UG Phys Ed degree. In Nebraska the players come back and sell real estate.

But a good number of them work on cars, other blue collar jobs...or teach gym classes.
 
So instead of needing to do 22 pushups to be told good job, you can do 7-20 and get the same results.

Yea I'm all for adapting the program to work better, but that's just lowering the standard.
 
It's not about getting an award though. It's about making sure kids are able to do at least a healthy amount of exercise. It also gives kids pointers on what they can do to help improve their scores.

The presidential award looked for the top 15% and left it at that.
 
I dunno man, if it promotes a better general health then I say go for it. I'm sure kids can just use one of the other 10 billion outlets of competition to learn how to compete with one another.

oh and as for my personal history with it, I don't actually remember ever doing the presidential fitness test. I did have to do the pacer when I had asthma though, if that counts for anything.
 

Cajungal

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So instead of needing to do 22 pushups to be told good job, you can do 7-20 and get the same results.

Yea I'm all for adapting the program to work better, but that's just lowering the standard.
In a way you're right. A lot of kids CAN, they just haven't had been properly prepared or don't want to. It's the same in academics. They're not receiving proper instruction, they're apathetic, or they just need it explained in a different way. This test is a good way of recognizing another type of skill, and it promotes a well-rounded lifestyle in that way. I wasn't a fan of the test, partially because we never really prepared for it. They just sprung it on us. But if some kids dedicate themselves to that level of fitness and maintain it even when they're not in a P.E. class, then hell yes, recognize them.

In general P.E. class, I think there should be more consistent record-keeping and goal-setting. It would help the teacher to get a better look at his/her students' individual strengths and weaknesses and help them to play to those strengths and improve the weaknesses. Maybe it's improved today, but it was a mess when I was a kid.
 
Wow, Dave, bitter much? ;)

The only thing I have to say about this is that it's really indicitive of the whole "nobody's a loser" huggy feely movement that has been slowly permeating the educational system. Kids SHOULD be in competition. If they aren't, when they get out of school, they are in no way prepared for the real world, because you don't get jobs based on how special your mommy or teacher thinks you are, you get it because you beat out the competition. It's one of the reason so many younger people feel a sense of entitlement.
 
But there is still a competitive nature in this. It's scored just like every other test kids take. If a kid is lacking in an area, they are told that.

To me it's like testing ready ability once or twice a year. They stand in front of everyone while they read from books, and the top 15% get an award. If a kid can't read at all they don't receive any help at all. But hey, if they don't want to look like an idiot in front of everyone they should just learn to read.
 
Ahh... high school sports, how I loathed thee.

I'm a fat guy. When I was a kid, I was a fat kid. worse, aside from being fat, I'm also very big. 6 foot even and very wide at the shoulders, even without the fat I'd be a big guy.

I actually liked PE, because we'd mostly just play basketball, and I liked basketball. But whenever these fitness things would come up, I always hated them. There was no way I'd be able to do a pullup, sit-ups I was done with at the 10 count, and running? Yeah, more like a brisk walk.

But none of this humiliated me. I did my thing, did what I could do, and was done. What did humiliate me, though, was during some week long physical fitness thing.

I don't know if it's standard, or a Florida only thing, or just unique to the school I went to, but there was a week of physical events that we had to compete in. You'd sign up for different olympic-style events (shot put, relay, different length races, etc) and compete in the ones you signed up for. You had to sign up for at least two in order to get a passing grade.

The coach, an older woman, then informed the class that some students who weren't physically able wouldn't be required to do more than the shot put. She gave a kid with muscular dystrophy as an example, explaining that she wouldn't force someone with a disability to compete. She then called on each kid, so they would announce what they were signing up for, and she'd write it down. When she got to me, she announced that I was one of those special cases, and I didn't have to compete in anything other than the shot put if I didn't want to.

:confused: wtf lady? I'm not disabled!

I signed up for everything. Oh god I hated it. That was a terrible week.
 
All I'm going to say is that if the goal is to get fat kids into shape, rather than hand out dumb awards, you should get every fat kid a hot personal trainer/gym partner.

I'm not saying this is financially viable.

I'm not saying this is logistically practical.

I'm not saying that it's emotionally stable in the long-term.

I'm just saying, and anyone's who worked with a hot trainer or had a smokin' gym buddy knows this, there's no better motivation on Earth to dump that flab by the way side.
 
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makare

I agree that competition is not a bad thing but that presidential award was pointless. I went to like five different schools as a kid and only one even acknowledged it. My teachers were always really fit and pretty good at getting us motivated to play and get active, you know, in gym class. Outside of gym class we were more for walking around town and causing trouble than exercising. Sigh. I miss those days.
 
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Chazwozel

Ahh... high school sports, how I loathed thee.

I'm a fat guy. When I was a kid, I was a fat kid. worse, aside from being fat, I'm also very big. 6 foot even and very wide at the shoulders, even without the fat I'd be a big guy.

I actually liked PE, because we'd mostly just play basketball, and I liked basketball. But whenever these fitness things would come up, I always hated them. There was no way I'd be able to do a pullup, sit-ups I was done with at the 10 count, and running? Yeah, more like a brisk walk.

But none of this humiliated me. I did my thing, did what I could do, and was done. What did humiliate me, though, was during some week long physical fitness thing.

I don't know if it's standard, or a Florida only thing, or just unique to the school I went to, but there was a week of physical events that we had to compete in. You'd sign up for different olympic-style events (shot put, relay, different length races, etc) and compete in the ones you signed up for. You had to sign up for at least two in order to get a passing grade.

The coach, an older woman, then informed the class that some students who weren't physically able wouldn't be required to do more than the shot put. She gave a kid with muscular dystrophy as an example, explaining that she wouldn't force someone with a disability to compete. She then called on each kid, so they would announce what they were signing up for, and she'd write it down. When she got to me, she announced that I was one of those special cases, and I didn't have to compete in anything other than the shot put if I didn't want to.

:confused: wtf lady? I'm not disabled!

I signed up for everything. Oh god I hated it. That was a terrible week.
Dude, if you played football as an offensive guard, you would have been king of the school. Everyone loves the football fat guys.
 
Ravenpoe;331054 snippity snip[/QUOTE said:
Dude, if you played football as an offensive guard, you would have been king of the school. Everyone loves the football fat guys.
Everyone always told me I should play football, because I was built like a football player. But I just didn't like football.

Instead, I was part of a backyard wrestling league.

... don't laugh, I was great at it.
 
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Twitch

MARCHING BAND WHOOOOO!
Seriously though, I got more fit running laps, marching for 3-6 hours a day (6 only two days a week), and carrying a trumpet at ready then I did doing anything else in High School.
I used to be able to run a 6 minute mile, now I'm lucky to make 10.
 
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