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Lost: The Final Season (un-marked spoilers as it airs on the East Coast)
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I have more questions.
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Philosopher B.
I don't know if Lost was awesome, or if it's just awesome seeing Lost again. It must be BOTH.
Can't wait to see this season as it unfolds.
Can't wait to see this season as it unfolds.
Still waiting for some answers...
Right, just watched it and not going to hide it behind spoilers. If you're reading on after clicking on the frigging Lost thread, then you have no sympathy from me.
Damn good episode. We got ourselves something of a Lazurus pit, confirmation on who Locke is, and a whole lotta people returning.
Honestly, I'm a little surprised by how everything post-bomb turned out. I'm thinking that BOTH timelines are going on, now. We're getting to see what would've happened to everyone had the plane actually landed. And unfortunately, as Evil Locke pointed out, it's not a happy ending for pretty much anyone. Seriously, if you compare the character development of nearly everyone whose lives have changed since the crash with how they were landing in LAX, then they've all become better people. Hugo has made a lot of good friends and gotten away from the curse, Jack has become a sheppard to the people, Kate's free, Sawyer had closure with his father's murderer, Jin and his wife become closer than ever, etc. Even though Charlie died, he became a much better and selfless person by the end. Really, the only one I can think of that things didn't turn out so well for is Boone. Jury's still out on Claire, depending on if we ever see her again on the island.
Still, it bugs me a little that we've had little mention of gods throughout the show and suddenly, we're stuck in a war between two of them (Jacob and Evil Locke/smoke monster). We've had hints that they're Egyptian gods, with the Smoke Monster being Anubus, but up until now, it's been background material, with Egyptian symbology.
A little miffed about yet another group on the island suddenly popping up. But, they worship Jacob, so there's a theme of gods and worship in this season. The first season was about the island itself. The second was all about the hatch. The third was the Others. The fourth was about getting back to the island. The fifth was about time travel. Now, we're getting into the motivations of the two gods and why everything is the way it is.
So yeah, to say I'm stoked for this season would be an understatement.
Damn good episode. We got ourselves something of a Lazurus pit, confirmation on who Locke is, and a whole lotta people returning.
Honestly, I'm a little surprised by how everything post-bomb turned out. I'm thinking that BOTH timelines are going on, now. We're getting to see what would've happened to everyone had the plane actually landed. And unfortunately, as Evil Locke pointed out, it's not a happy ending for pretty much anyone. Seriously, if you compare the character development of nearly everyone whose lives have changed since the crash with how they were landing in LAX, then they've all become better people. Hugo has made a lot of good friends and gotten away from the curse, Jack has become a sheppard to the people, Kate's free, Sawyer had closure with his father's murderer, Jin and his wife become closer than ever, etc. Even though Charlie died, he became a much better and selfless person by the end. Really, the only one I can think of that things didn't turn out so well for is Boone. Jury's still out on Claire, depending on if we ever see her again on the island.
Still, it bugs me a little that we've had little mention of gods throughout the show and suddenly, we're stuck in a war between two of them (Jacob and Evil Locke/smoke monster). We've had hints that they're Egyptian gods, with the Smoke Monster being Anubus, but up until now, it's been background material, with Egyptian symbology.
A little miffed about yet another group on the island suddenly popping up. But, they worship Jacob, so there's a theme of gods and worship in this season. The first season was about the island itself. The second was all about the hatch. The third was the Others. The fourth was about getting back to the island. The fifth was about time travel. Now, we're getting into the motivations of the two gods and why everything is the way it is.
So yeah, to say I'm stoked for this season would be an understatement.
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Reboneer
What? Those are the Others.
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Wyrminarrd
Great start to the seasons, it will be interesting to see how they play the "flashes" out.
What? Those are the Others.[/QUOTE]
Ah, but I mean the Chinese man and his translator. New "Others" who have never been seen before.
Ben has talked about going to the Temple on a lot of occasions
Ah, that's true. I stand corrected.
Well, actually, I'm sitting down. But I'm still corrected.
Well, actually, I'm sitting down. But I'm still corrected.
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Rubicon
Ok managed to get to see it thanks to abc.com (didnt feel like waiting on a torrent)
They are definitely leaning toward the whole "they're gods" type thing. If so, how could Jacob die? If Evil Locke is the other dude that we saw at the end of season 5, he is also the Smoke Monster?
Richard might be Prometheus? Being in chains and a god, and all? Prometheus did piss off Zeus for sharing fire with humans and Richard has been fairly kind to the Losties, generally.
They have a fountain of youth? That explains some things. But how about the other miraculous healing the island has done?
Why are the Jacob worshipers a mix of like japanese guys, 70s era hippies, the flight attendant and more?
Answered some questions but not others O_O just gimme answers.. please JJ please
They are definitely leaning toward the whole "they're gods" type thing. If so, how could Jacob die? If Evil Locke is the other dude that we saw at the end of season 5, he is also the Smoke Monster?
Richard might be Prometheus? Being in chains and a god, and all? Prometheus did piss off Zeus for sharing fire with humans and Richard has been fairly kind to the Losties, generally.
They have a fountain of youth? That explains some things. But how about the other miraculous healing the island has done?
Why are the Jacob worshipers a mix of like japanese guys, 70s era hippies, the flight attendant and more?
Answered some questions but not others O_O just gimme answers.. please JJ please
He wouldnt be Prometheus. The gods that have been referred to in the show so far have been Egyptian in nature, not Greek. And I'd definitely say Mr. Black is the other guy that was hanging out with Jacob at the start of last season's finale.
My guess with Richard is he's immortal, thanks to the Lazurus Pit (for lack of another term to use for the moment). The "nice to see you out of chains" line pretty much cements my theory that Richard was on that ship that we saw at the beginning of season 5's finale. I'm guessing it was a Spanish slave ship (the one that we see in late season two; that had the very volitile explosives).
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I don't think so. Right now, my theory is that its purpose serves to show us how much everyone on the island has changed (in positive ways). Because we can see a LOT of things going to crap since they landed in LAX.
This is a spoiler for stuff that HAS NOT AIRED YET.
It is a spoiler for upcoming things that will happen in this last season. Mark anything like this! I wish I hadn't read it, but oh well, I fucked up. You probably don't want to read this.
It is a spoiler for upcoming things that will happen in this last season. Mark anything like this! I wish I hadn't read it, but oh well, I fucked up. You probably don't want to read this.
The two timelines will merge/crossover halfway through this season
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Veteran
I'm very much routing for Evil Locke. I'm sick of the Others and their ambiguous ways. If it's one thing I don't like in movies and TV it's mysterious good guys. If all the good guys worked together from the start, the bad guys would be defeated. But no! The secretive bunch HAVE to be secretive and thus many people die along the way to quest completion.
Well fuck the Others. I hope they get eaten by the smoke monster.
Well fuck the Others. I hope they get eaten by the smoke monster.
North_Ranger
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I'm glad I stopped watching around the time Mr Eko showed up. Don't get me wrong, Lost is most certainly a fine series, but the plethora of mind-raping, WTF-inducing, where-the-hell-did-THAT-come-from plot twists + long hiatuses between seasons because the Finnish TV execs would rather show 'documentaries' about the world's fattest teenager = loss of interest.
I'm glad I stopped watching around the time Mr Eko showed up. Don't get me wrong, Lost is most certainly a fine series, but the plethora of mind-raping, WTF-inducing, where-the-hell-did-THAT-come-from plot twists + long hiatuses between seasons because the Finnish TV execs would rather show 'documentaries' about the world's fattest teenager = loss of interest.
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Joe Johnson
Soooo, is Sayid really dead - and he's now Jakob? (the same way that smokey is now Locke?)
I think Sayid is Sayid. He is still in his body. When the man in black became evil locke, he didn't possess normal locke's dead body and reanimate him. He just shapeshifted. I think Jacob and MIB play by the same rules. I could be way off, but that's just how it seems.
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Bergamot
Are you sure?
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Rubicon
See, this would be a good case to torrent it. If a tv station won't offer it.. and I'm assuming the dvd sales took forever to get there too, that'd be a morally legit reason.
When Eko showed up, it got aweeeesome. That's around the time we got to see the Smoke Monster for the first real time, around the time the visions for the Losties started, the entire ordeal with the Hatch and the Tailies, the introduction of Ben Linus, etc. Season 1 was a builder, season 2 really started the gears moving, you should check it out again. The WTF moments come at a slower pace in other seasons but they are bigger moments when they do happen
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This. I marked out when I saw him, Charlie and Claire.
It's Yu-Gi-Oh!
Tonight's episode title and who it's about:
What Kate Does
See, this would be a good case to torrent it. If a tv station won't offer it.. and I'm assuming the dvd sales took forever to get there too, that'd be a morally legit reason.
When Eko showed up, it got aweeeesome. That's around the time we got to see the Smoke Monster for the first real time, around the time the visions for the Losties started, the entire ordeal with the Hatch and the Tailies, the introduction of Ben Linus, etc. Season 1 was a builder, season 2 really started the gears moving, you should check it out again. The WTF moments come at a slower pace in other seasons but they are bigger moments when they do happen
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This. I marked out when I saw him, Charlie and Claire.[/QUOTE]
Just about everyone on the plane in the sideways-flash was someone who showed up on the island in the first two or three seasons.
Last night's episode was...okay. They dragged on the mystery of Sayid and why they were doing everything do him. And the stuff with Kate & Claire was kind of uninteresting. And the big with Sawyer and Kate? Good god, did anyone else get flashbacks from Dawson's Creek?
I think this just continues the tradition that Kate-centered episodes suck.
I think this just continues the tradition that Kate-centered episodes suck.
I love that they're bringing everyone back. Claire, Mac(from his 1 minute of screen time), fucking ETHAN, Arzt again, Frogurt. I can't wait to see the parade of awesome cameos from one-off people on the Island over the rest of the season.
I think Claire has the same sickness that Rousseau had and Sayid has now.
I think Claire has the same sickness that Rousseau had and Sayid has now.
That's what they've set up, what with the "Hey, this is a Rousseau style trap, but she's been dead for years!" thing.
Mayyyybe they couldn't just kill him on their own. :shocked:
Finally got cought up on it. Wow.
I'm not buying that they are gods yet. I'm leaning more towards watchers. Maybe the first two that found whatever it is that makes the island tick. One good, one bad. It sounds like when Richard arrived Jacob was able to lock Smokey in some how. Richard obviously hasn't seen him since they landed, so something must have happened at his arrival.
I wouldn't be surprised if Sayid is Smokies way into the temple. I don't think Sayid has the same thing going on that Claire and Rousseau had. That seems to come with having a child on the island. Plus, it seems like every vision that people see on the island has been staged by Smokey. The only time we have a true confirmed sighting of Jacob is when he is killed. We really don't know who is behind every other vision.
The pill? Well, we saw what happened when they tried to shoot Smokey on the beach, and Richard stopped everyone else from trying to shoot at him again, so who knows. I don't think it's actually him in Sayid, but maybe it's that he's corrupted.
Personally I'd like to see it end with the island purged and new watchers. Locke as the new good, and Ben as the new bad.
What I'd really like to see is more shows like this that last maybe 3 or 4 seasons tops. Kind of like an extended Twilight Zone. Make it one show that refreshes every few years with a new story line.
I'm not buying that they are gods yet. I'm leaning more towards watchers. Maybe the first two that found whatever it is that makes the island tick. One good, one bad. It sounds like when Richard arrived Jacob was able to lock Smokey in some how. Richard obviously hasn't seen him since they landed, so something must have happened at his arrival.
I wouldn't be surprised if Sayid is Smokies way into the temple. I don't think Sayid has the same thing going on that Claire and Rousseau had. That seems to come with having a child on the island. Plus, it seems like every vision that people see on the island has been staged by Smokey. The only time we have a true confirmed sighting of Jacob is when he is killed. We really don't know who is behind every other vision.
The pill? Well, we saw what happened when they tried to shoot Smokey on the beach, and Richard stopped everyone else from trying to shoot at him again, so who knows. I don't think it's actually him in Sayid, but maybe it's that he's corrupted.
Personally I'd like to see it end with the island purged and new watchers. Locke as the new good, and Ben as the new bad.
What I'd really like to see is more shows like this that last maybe 3 or 4 seasons tops. Kind of like an extended Twilight Zone. Make it one show that refreshes every few years with a new story line.
Watched the latest episode last night. Assuming the smoke monster was telling the truth, we learned a lot.
Smoke monster was at one point a regular person. Something in the island changed him to what he is now. The scale showed that he was supposed to be the "dark" to offset Jacob as the "light". Supposedly he wants off the island. My guess is it's a lie to try and get the Oceanic group off the island, since Jacob was looking for a replacement within them. Maybe Jacob was planning on replacing him too, and he doesn't want to leave. We also found out that he cannot transform into someone else anymore, possibly from Jacob's death.
The mysterious kid. Possibly the true force behind the island? Or maybe it's Jacob messing with Smokey. Smokey isn't real sure what's going on with him either, for once he seems confused.
Locke turned out OK in the alternate timeline. He's finally come to terms with his handicap, seems to have found a job he enjoys, and is getting married. Nothing too exciting going on with that timeline other than everyone is still interconnected.
Smoke monster was at one point a regular person. Something in the island changed him to what he is now. The scale showed that he was supposed to be the "dark" to offset Jacob as the "light". Supposedly he wants off the island. My guess is it's a lie to try and get the Oceanic group off the island, since Jacob was looking for a replacement within them. Maybe Jacob was planning on replacing him too, and he doesn't want to leave. We also found out that he cannot transform into someone else anymore, possibly from Jacob's death.
The mysterious kid. Possibly the true force behind the island? Or maybe it's Jacob messing with Smokey. Smokey isn't real sure what's going on with him either, for once he seems confused.
Locke turned out OK in the alternate timeline. He's finally come to terms with his handicap, seems to have found a job he enjoys, and is getting married. Nothing too exciting going on with that timeline other than everyone is still interconnected.
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