Lost: The Final Season (un-marked spoilers as it airs on the East Coast)
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I didn't even think of that, but now I can't get it out of my head.
And if there is one person I wouldn't mind seeing die, it would be Kate.
From what he said seems like some sort of referee/arbiter... loved the bit when SmokeLocke channels realLocke by saying the same thing.
Was Kate not written on the cave? They counted off everyone else but I didn't notice them mention her.
Also, what about the tailies that were taken because they were on a list? Ben told Ethan and Goodwin to make lists, which they used to look up information and then kidnap people who were deserving. Were those lists made with input from Jacob? Are those people that were taken written on the cave too? Are they crossed off? Argh!
I think someone could be crossed off/ruled out as a "candidate" without getting killed.
I don't see much other option, really. I don't think it was made very clear, though.
I don't see much other option, really. I don't think it was made very clear, though.[/QUOTE]
You make a good point, especially after I've come to expect such straightforward and transparent storytelling from Lost.
I don't see much other option, really. I don't think it was made very clear, though.[/QUOTE]
You make a good point, especially after I've come to expect such straightforward and transparent storytelling from Lost.
[/QUOTE]I know, what's with the sudden shift towards vague and convoluted stories?
If they were, it wouldn't have been directly through Ben (assuming Ben is telling the truth about never actually speaking with Jacob). While he's definitely lost his rudder as far as staying in control of the situation, it's probably a mistake to assume that Ben has given up on working his own angle.
Speaking of which, in the school in the side-ways flash? :aaahhh:
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He visited Kate. When her and her friend tried to shop lift the lunch box as kids, he offered to pay for it to get her off the hook with the store owner.
I'm guessing cause we know Rose and Bernard do die, it's pretty much all but confirmed they were the skeletons we found in season 1, in the caves, so since they do die at some point in one of the timelines, they aren't candidates.
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I don't see much other option, really. I don't think it was made very clear, though.[/QUOTE]
SmokeLocke even told Sawyer there were options.
Accept the position, and see where it takes you.
Don't accept it, see what happens.
Don't do anything and see what happens.
Or simply try to leave the island.
So at least some options that eliminate you as a candidate, might not end with the person being dead
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He still is. If you watch the scene where the latino woman goes with him into the Statue, she asks him how Jacob died. He point blank lies about who killed him, covering his own ass. So we know he's playing angles.TeKeo said:
Sad part is, I don't think he thought it through. If the latino woman and the other Jacob followers know enough to use ash to keep Smokey at bay, then they should know the rules supposedly, that Jacob and Smokey have to abide by. Meaning, she knows Smoke Locke, couldn't kill Jacob and Ben was the only other person there.
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So I guess not.
With the sideways flashes I'm beginning to worry this is gonna end with "it was all a dream!"
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No.
That was a popular theory back around season one which the writers and JJ himself have debunked as not true.
Besides, why would purgatory have two guardians, one good, one evil? With time travel involved?
The islans is purgatory theory has been around since, literally, season 1 and the creators have specifically said it's not the case.
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I love Lost so goshdang much right now. I think Ben has become my new favorite living character (well, aside from Hurley and Desmond). My fav non-Ben scene of the latest episode was between Richard and Jack. Nestor Carbonell = awesomeness. This season has really been coming along radly.
But purgatory is serious business, young man. :angry:
That Ben episode was fantastic!
Also, doesn't exist...
Think of last season's finale, where Jacob went around touching everyone. They seem to have been okay, despite some pretty insane things they've gone through.
I had a feeling Richard was immortal for awhile. I also figured he was on that ship after seeing it in the distance at the start of last season's finale. When Evil Locke said "It's nice to see you out of those chains" (paraphrasing), that solidified it for me. My best guess? He was a slave or a prisoner on that ship.
Still not sure how all of this is going to play out, but goddamn this most recent episode was great. No surprise, when iBen was the focal point. I hope to hell that TV show that the guy that plays Locke gets green-lit.
I had a feeling Richard was immortal for awhile. I also figured he was on that ship after seeing it in the distance at the start of last season's finale. When Evil Locke said "It's nice to see you out of those chains" (paraphrasing), that solidified it for me. My best guess? He was a slave or a prisoner on that ship.
Still not sure how all of this is going to play out, but goddamn this most recent episode was great. No surprise, when iBen was the focal point. I hope to hell that TV show that the guy that plays Locke gets green-lit.
Locke is dead, and he was touched. I'd guess the immortality only exists so that Jacob can see everything through. If someone needs to die to accomplish what he wants, they can.
I really hope that the ending isn't basically Jacob saying that he was in control from the start and he simply pushed people along to get the end he wanted. I'm starting to dislike him the more I hear about him.
I really hope that the ending isn't basically Jacob saying that he was in control from the start and he simply pushed people along to get the end he wanted. I'm starting to dislike him the more I hear about him.
Seeing how Richard was sure someone else could kill him with a big enough explosion that's not necessarily it... plus Locke died because of Smokey.
Seeing how Richard was sure someone else could kill him with a big enough explosion that's not necessarily it... plus Locke died because of Smokey.[/QUOTE]
Locke died because Ben killed him, Smokey may have had a hand in setting it up, but Jacob could have easily stepped in if he wanted to. I have a feeling Richard wasn't sure either, he was just willing to try anything. And it didn't even work, it's not that the explosion wouldn't kill him, it's that Jacob didn't let the explosion happen.
That's what Jack thinks. Seems to me Jacob was pushing Jack and Hurley to go with Richard to help prove to Richard he was still around. The whole reason Jack followed Richard was because he knew Hurley was stalling, which Jacob told him to do.
I have a feeling Jacob is letting Smokey do as he pleases to help weed out the candidates. Seems like it's down to Jack and Hurley now. I still want real Locke to come back though.:humph:
I have a feeling Jacob is letting Smokey do as he pleases to help weed out the candidates. Seems like it's down to Jack and Hurley now. I still want real Locke to come back though.:humph:
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Jacob is kind of a dick to be honest. I mean, does the entire process for a candidate require them to be obscured from the truth and knowledge of what is going on? "Yes you are destined for this, this and this. I need you to do this, that and this. But I cannot ever tell you why other than vague clues" is basically what Jacob has been doing where as Smokey has been a bit more forth coming and honest about what he will and won't do (i.e. those that left the temple when he asked, he kept his word and did not kill them).
I'm leaning with Smokey thus far.. just because I'm sure Jacob has some higher than thou purpose and its part of some grand plan, leaving people in the dark is bullshit as well. I loved when Jack broke the mirror, simply cause he as I was tired of Jacob's bullshit.
Ben should have went with Smokey, since he did save his life (freeing him and leading him to a rifle).
I'm leaning with Smokey thus far.. just because I'm sure Jacob has some higher than thou purpose and its part of some grand plan, leaving people in the dark is bullshit as well. I loved when Jack broke the mirror, simply cause he as I was tired of Jacob's bullshit.
Ben should have went with Smokey, since he did save his life (freeing him and leading him to a rifle).
Perhaps, but it was most likely because he wanted him to kill the woman. Smokey may or may not be in the right, but he definitely has an agenda other than getting off the Island. At least Jacob is pretty forthcoming with the fact that one of them will replace him and that person doesn't get to go home, even if they don't know WHY they will.
So we placing any bets for who ultimately gets picked? I'm leaning toward Hurley myself, even if Jack seems like the obvious choice.
I have a feeling it'll come down to Jack and Sawyer on either end (Jack w/Jacob, Sawyer w/Smokey). They've set up a similar dichotamy between the two throughout the entire show.
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