Lost: The Final Season (un-marked spoilers as it airs on the East Coast)

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Eloise Hawking told Desmond he had what he has always truly wanted, the respect of Widmore. Is the island being a dick and giving them what they think they want and purposely keeping them away from what has made them happy before? She obviously knows whats going on and why, it'll be interesting to hear her take on it.
 
Alright, so last nights episode was a big one. We're officially down a candidate, lost half of everyone who was still alive, and the truth has been revealed: Smokey can't leave until the candidates are dead... but he can't kill them directly. Any comments?

Also, why didn't they just toss the bomb in a torpedo tube and shoot it out of the sub or something? It's pretty big for a civilian one, so it probably had some.
 
No actually, it's not. He's said as much repeatedly. And last night was rough.
I wasn't at all surprised that the Pilot died though... once I saw they weren't even going to try and use the plane, I was like "Yep... he's dead." He wasn't exactly adding anything, so I guess it was time for him to go.
 
Right, as usual, I won't be spoiler marking these. If you're reading a Lost thread, you really should be expecting spoilers.

I hope Lupido isn't dead. He's one of my fave minor characters. We saw him get knocked for a loop, but it's not impossible for him to live.

Still, three main characters are dead. Well, two for sure. As for the third, we saw the explosion, but surely they'd give Sayid a better send off than that. I honestly hated how drawn out the Kwons were. It was pretty damned obvious, right down to Jin's line about never leaving her.

A thought occured to me that hasn't been addressed, yet: How does a Candidate get crossed off? It's not through just death, since Kate and Claire are still alive. In fact, what about Kate got her crossed off? Sawyer's done just as many awful things, if not more, and he's still a Candidate. I have a feeling we'll get a lot of explanations in...well, that episode I'd mentioned a few weeks back that's apparently planned.

Overall, yeah, not one of the better episodes of the season, to be honest. As soon as I saw "Locke" hand Jack the backpack, I knew what was going to happen. No idea why Jack wouldn't think of that, either.

It's...kind of surreal, though. We've got four more episodes left, now.
 
Jin's a selfish idiot bastard. He should have left and tried to save himself for their DAUGHTER'S sake! I can't believe Sun didn't say as much. As soon as he knew it was hopeless to try and save Sun then NOT leaving their only child 100% orphaned should have been priority number 1. Better to lose a mother than both father AND mother.
 
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Jin's a selfish idiot bastard. He should have left and tried to save himself for their DAUGHTER'S sake! I can't believe Sun didn't say as much. As soon as he knew it was hopeless to try and save Sun then NOT leaving their only child 100% orphaned should have been priority number 1. Better to lose a mother than both father AND mother.
Yeah, that rubbed me the wrong way, too.
 
Jin's a selfish idiot bastard. He should have left and tried to save himself for their DAUGHTER'S sake! I can't believe Sun didn't say as much. As soon as he knew it was hopeless to try and save Sun then NOT leaving their only child 100% orphaned should have been priority number 1. Better to lose a mother than both father AND mother.
Yeah, that rubbed me the wrong way, too.[/QUOTE]

Ditto. I'm expecting everyone who died will come back to life in the end now though. They wouldn't have done the bit with the daughter if they weren't.
 
I figured it was going to go one of two ways:
1) Jin would stay with her because he'd never leave her again.
2) She's beg him to leave, for the sake of their daughter.

Given how much emphasis they put on their reunion an episode or two ago, I assume correctly to the former.
 
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Yeah, I couldn't believe that Sun wouldn't say "Escape, for our daughter.", or something like that.

That was a pretty heavy episode, though other than the deaths, there wasn't much to it.

I DO think that Sayid is dead, which is too bad - he was one of my favorites. After the four got out, and got to the beach, I started thinking about the fact that a LOT of main characters are gone now. It didn't really hit me until you see just the four on the beach. Granted, Claire is still alive, and Locke exists in physical form (which is a slap in the face to me, since he was also one of my favs). Other than that, just the four, right? Or am I forgetting someone.
 
Yeah, I couldn't believe that Sun wouldn't say "Escape, for our daughter.", or something like that.

That was a pretty heavy episode, though other than the deaths, there wasn't much to it.

I DO think that Sayid is dead, which is too bad - he was one of my favorites. After the four got out, and got to the beach, I started thinking about the fact that a LOT of main characters are gone now. It didn't really hit me until you see just the four on the beach. Granted, Claire is still alive, and Locke exists in physical form (which is a slap in the face to me, since he was also one of my favs). Other than that, just the four, right? Or am I forgetting someone.
Your forgetting Desmond, who's apparently still alive.
 
Random theory: in the end, they will all have to choose which time line is actually theirs, thus saving Sun, Jin, Sayid, Locke, etc., whose choice won't be that difficult.
 
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Oh yeah, Desmond. (which, using TV logic, he's still alive - since we didn't actually SEE Sayid kill him).
 
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Joe Johnson

Sayid told Jack he was alive.
WHAT? When? On the most recent episode? How'd I miss that?

Also, I guess Ben and Richard are alive, but I never put them in the "main character" category, since they were technically "others".
 
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If they kill Desmond it will be the last straw. Cuse and Lindelof better look out.
 
What I'm wonder is how they'll get off the island now. I mean, it's pretty clear they aren't ALL going to be getting off, but unless whoever takes over the mantle of Jacob can wisk them off the island, they're kinda stuck now.
 
He landed the damn bird in the first place, despite it being, you know, the goddamn island of doom. If ANYONE can fly that sonovabitch out of there, it's Lupido.
(Heh, sorry, I have a bit of a mancrush on his character.)
 
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Yeah, I'm not convinced he died. He could easily just come to shore at the beginning of the next episode. I figured they wanted to just show the 4 main characters there for emotional impact.

Or, he could just be dead. Which would suck, I liked him as well.

Can't they still "turn the wheel" to get out?
 
They could. Wasn't there supposed to be some kind of ramification that, if you turn the wheel, you can never come back to the island? That seems to never really be true, since Ben turned it and he's still okay.
 
Actually, Jacob apparently had some means of getting off the island that we don't know about. It's most likely that the Candidate will simply use that to get them off when it's time.
 
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Ok so The Man in Black and Jacob are brothers, we kinda knew that.

At least we know why they were trying to kill each other, somewhat, mother issues.

Though, what the fuck is the tunnel of light? Is it the fountain of youth? I mean a lot of things are leaning towards that. And if you throw a live person in it, they become Smoke Monsters?

And why the fuck is it so important that The Man in Black stay on the island?! If he wants to leave so bad let him, the poor guy just wants to see the world..
 
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