Lost: The Final Season (un-marked spoilers as it airs on the East Coast)

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Here's a mindfuck;

If Jacob threw his brother into "the light", what's to say his brother isn't truly dead? We know Smokie can only take on the form of dead people, so what if throwing a live person into "the light" (which their mother said would be "worse than dying"), unleashed this "monster"?

And what if this monster, is not Jacobs brother but just uses his appearance when he appears in human form, since his brother is 100% dead?

Meaning, who or what the fuck could the Smoke Monster be?


Just a thought...
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

It's Anubis, obviously...

and the Mayans ended their calendar in 2012 because that's when Lost will end by revealing that the whole thing was real and unleashing the power of the Egyptian God Cards on us to usher in the return of the Pharaoh's Mummy. Only That guy that was in Monkeybone can save us...
 
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lol alien.. i'd almost actually go with that theory if it werent 2007 for them (i know it was sarcasm but still funny)
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

Mav said:
lol alien.. i'd almost actually go with that theory if it werent 2007 for them (i know it was sarcasm but still funny)
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That's because 2007 it when it happened, they got off the island and used time travel to make the show, and the show is just their way to ease us into it before releasing the Kraken...
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Mav said:
Here's a mindfuck;

If Jacob threw his brother into "the light", what's to say his brother isn't truly dead? We know Smokie can only take on the form of dead people, so what if throwing a live person into "the light" (which their mother said would be "worse than dying"), unleashed this "monster"?

And what if this monster, is not Jacobs brother but just uses his appearance when he appears in human form, since his brother is 100% dead?

Meaning, who or what the fuck could the Smoke Monster be?


Just a thought...
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This is probably what is going. Smokey isn't Jacob's brother but something which took his form when it was awoken.

Also, I TOTALLY CALLED that this was entirely Jacob's fault.
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

Well technically it was his brother's fault for not taking up the mantle...


And seeing how his brother was one of the skeletons in the cave he is pretty much dead. Although Smokey does share his obsession with getting off the island, so there might be more to it.
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

@Li3n said:
Well technically it was his brother's fault for not taking up the mantle...


And seeing how his brother was one of the skeletons in the cave he is pretty much dead. Although Smokey does share his obsession with getting off the island, so there might be more to it.
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He was never offered the mantle, because he wanted to be able to choose for himself... something his mother refused to let him do. He wanted to be free, and the simple fact is that his mother clearly had other things in mind for him.
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

I think it was pretty clear to both of them who was the one who would get offered the job... so yeah, he chose to try to get off the island instead.
 
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Whatever the "light" is, its spooky as shit if you ask me.

I mean, out in the middle of no where on this island is this source of light that has something to do with life, death, etc? Is it a fountain of youth? Is it the same water that was supposed to be in the temple that suddenly became "dark" after Jacob died? And what contraption did the Others build with a frozen donkey wheel that interacts with "the light" to cause time travel?

I'm worried they aren't going to have an answer. There are 4 episodes worth of content left in the show, next week then the 3 hour finale. There are roughly like 80+ MAJOR mystery questions they haven't answered, according to DarkUfo and other major theory/spoiler sites. Some of which make me wonder "what the fuck were they thinking?" like.. What was the entire subplot dealing with Walt? If the jesus juice that Mamma Guardian has passes on her powers to Jacob, what happens now that The Man in Black has broken that jar of juice? Why would Smokie just up and randomly kill Eko? He never touched him the first time, the second time he beat the shit out of him? How could Ben "summon" Smokie? How does Widmore have knowledge of the Side-ways Alternate Universe? Where the fuck did Eloise get the idea for the giant pendulum thing that could "find" the island? so many many many more..
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

I'm pretty sure the wine that Mother used with Jacob when imbuing him doesn't have any power, but rather the act symbolized that he was willing to accept the responsibilities of becoming Guardian. As for the pendulum thing... it's entirely likely that the same force that gave MiB the idea for the Wheel also gave Eloise the idea for the pendulum. It's clear that Jacob isn't the only one who is giving out powers on the Island, as MiB could see the dead before Jacob was empowered and I don't think his mother gave it him. Perhaps there is a third power at work?
 
Shakey

Shakey

I don't think everything needs to be answered. Some of the stuff really doesn't matter. Who cares why Eko was killed? Wasn't it because he wanted off the show anyway?
 
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Shakey said:
I don't think everything needs to be answered. Some of the stuff really doesn't matter. Who cares why Eko was killed? Wasn't it because he wanted off the show anyway?
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Some of the stuff matters, like why devote time to something if theres no point in expounding on it later on? I mean so many things can easily be explained even with just a sentence or two of dialogue (like the whispers on the island being ghosts, boom answered).
 
MindDetective

MindDetective

Mav;384779][QUOTE=Shakey said:
I don't think everything needs to be answered. Some of the stuff really doesn't matter. Who cares why Eko was killed? Wasn't it because he wanted off the show anyway?
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Some of the stuff matters, like why devote time to something if theres no point in expounding on it later on? I mean so many things can easily be explained even with just a sentence or two of dialogue (like the whispers on the island being ghosts, boom answered).[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but straight exposition sucks. Show me, don't tell me. And that sometimes means you have to leave things unsaid.
 
Shakey

Shakey

Mav;384779][QUOTE=Shakey said:
I don't think everything needs to be answered. Some of the stuff really doesn't matter. Who cares why Eko was killed? Wasn't it because he wanted off the show anyway?
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Some of the stuff matters, like why devote time to something if theres no point in expounding on it later on? I mean so many things can easily be explained even with just a sentence or two of dialogue (like the whispers on the island being ghosts, boom answered).[/QUOTE]

Some of it, yes. I don't think all of it matters though. I have no problem having some of it being a mystery rather than a crappy explanation for the sake of tying up loose ends.
 
Calleja

Calleja

I do think Smokey is still Jacob's brother... remember they still can't hurt each other. It's sort of just MiB's consciousness that left the body when he was thrown into the light, and now he has to take the form of dead people if he wants to become physical. My theory anyways, we'll probably never get a straight answer for that.

Hell, Damon Lindelof just went on record saying we will NOT, EVER, know MiB's name.
 
drawn_inward

drawn_inward

I don't get the point of the alternate universe; other than to show they're all connected. I don't quite get what's going on. Maybe they'll reveal that later.

Perhaps the smoke monster was imprisoned on the island and it needed a body to release it? I don't think it is Jacob's bro. It may possess his memories, and such. I just think it's the grim reaper of sorts.
 
@Li3n

@Li3n

dr_awkward said:
Perhaps the smoke monster was imprisoned on the island and it needed a body to release it? I don't think it is Jacob's bro. It may possess his memories, and such. I just think it's the grim reaper of sorts.
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Yeah, now that i think about it it also channelled Locke with the "don't tell me what i can't do" line and stuff, which at the time looked just like a simple parallel, but now seems like more.

But i think i would have preferred it if it was Jacob's bro merged with the Smoke, a la the Lich King, except that the Smoke is more of a force of nature that doesn't actually think like a human.


Who cares why Eko was killed? Wasn't it because he wanted off the show anyway?
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Cosidering the latest revelations wouldn't it be because he said no and stopped being a candidate, thus Smokey was able to kill him.
 
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Jimmy Kimmel, or so the guys over at 4815162342.com say so.

Either way its fucking hilarious
 
Calleja

Calleja

HOLY FUCKNIG SHIT AGAIN... that reminded me... WE'LL WE EVER KNOW WTF IS UP WITH THE NUMBERS!?! THE GOD DAMNED NUMBERS!!!
 
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Actually we will.

Assuming they will provide an answer, in the cave Smokie took Sawyer too, all the Candidate names are written on the cave walls. People who are no longer Candidates, have their names crossed out. The Losties who were still Candidates at the time, each had a number assigned to their name (4, 8, 15, etc etc) so the numbers do mean something. Exactly what? We don't know. But we still have 4 hours of content left to possibly find out.

*edit* and here is a much better quality version of the Lost Game clip from above, it starts at about 1:57

 
Espy

Espy

This episode really only created more questions and confusion. I'm not saying I want everything answered, frankly, I don't, but I do want a little resolution and I too am wondering how much we will actually get.

Also: If Jacob cant' hurt his brother and vice versa why did they have him beat the crap out of him every other scene and then kill him???
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

Espy said:
This episode really only created more questions and confusion. I'm not saying I want everything answered, frankly, I don't, but I do want a little resolution and I too am wondering how much we will actually get.

Also: If Jacob cant' hurt his brother and vice versa why did they have him beat the crap out of him every other scene and then kill him???
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Hurt probably equals Kill in this case, and if he could have killed him by now, something tells me he would have.
 
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Yea everyone around the net discussing Lost has been flipping out over Jacob beating the shit out of Smokie. Yes, their "Mother" did say "can't hurt each other" but honestly, we know for a fact she meant "kill". That was the loophole Smokie talked about the first time we ever saw him in "human form" speaking to Jacob. And shortly after he manages to convince Ben to kill Jacob for him.
 
MindDetective

MindDetective

Some of you are setting yourselves up for disappointment, I think. Better reel those expectations in because they are going to leave a lot for YOU to interpret.
 
Espy

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MindDetective said:
Some of you are setting yourselves up for disappointment, I think. Better reel those expectations in because they are going to leave a lot for YOU to interpret.
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I completely agree with that, but I don't think asking for some resolution is an unfair expectation and frankly, I think they will deliver. It won't satisfy all of course, but I trust these guys to deliver a satisfying ending.
 
MindDetective

MindDetective

Oh, I agree. The resolution will come in terms of what happens to the characters (namely Jack, Kate, Sawyer,Hurley, and Desmond) and not what will satisfy the questions we don't know. The producers of Lost have made it very clear that they are more interested in telling the stories of each character than in bending to our curiosity. In my opinion, that's the right focus. Stories are about people, not about answering a myriad of questions.
 
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I can buy that - without the characters there IS no story.

However, for the love of god, it's the last season, stop giving us new questions. It would have been pretty easy for this season to wrap up most of the old questions in a fun way and that easily fits in with the character stories, that also isn't just some guy standing in front of a microphone reading the "answers" from a sheet of paper.
 
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