Horrible Political Cartoons

[JONJONAUG]

Because some are just so god damned horrible

What's extra funny about this one, besides the obvious racism, is that it's a well known fact that Obama can speak fluent Spanish.

Partying like it's 2004.

Stuff like this makes me depressed that the GOP is succeeding in turning workers against labor unions. Also "Big Al Gore" is hilarious.

I have no words

Single women can't raise a kid, more at 11

Here's a chart explaining how US immigration works

Haha, gay people are so flamboyant.

 

[bhamv3]

I'd like to think some of these are deliberately horrible, to provoke debate.

It's possible, right?

Right?

 

[Krisken]

Debate? Probably not. Provoke? Definitely.

 

[Dusty668]

Sorry not seeing the obvious racism. I may be blinded though by the years of Bush's ears, Clintons massive chin & draping 'interns', Bush's cowboy hats, Carters teeth, Ford's Gigandourous forehead, Nixon's foot long nose with Victory fingers, and Agnew's ears and foot long nose. This is in NO way similar to FDR's ginormus teeth with cigarette holder, McArthurs huge army hat and pistols, or Taft's zeppelin like tummy. I had no idea Obama knew spanish, but I did know Arizona was more or less wanting to throw Hispanic citizens back over a border, perhaps into a economically disadvantaged area, and yah that might make the leader of Mexico have an unfavorable opinion of the United States that the cartoonist could use as a joke. Or maybe he meant this instead:

In his speech Thursday to a joint session of (The United States) Congress, Calderon made his most controversial headline. Pleading for help in limiting the flow of weapons into his country from American sources, the Mexican leader asked Congress to reinstate this country's ban on assault weapons. The ban was signed into law by President Bill Clinton in 1994 but later repealed. We'd be happy to see it reinstated.

Predictably, Calderon's request has inflamed the emotions of Second Amendment defenders, who view it as an outsider meddling with a cherished constitutional right.

So, one factoid and we have a sparking ground for all kinds of discussions. Drug Prohibition working as well as alcohol prohibition except it's people in Mexico dying not Chicago. Them drug dealers will get my AK-47 when they pry it from my cold dead hands, or give me a quarter pound of that Tijuana red. Who the heck is Mexico's leader to come and tell us how to run a country when he can't police his own insurgents armed by us?

I would go on but I've run out of rat's ass to give.

 

[Hailey Knight]

Who the heck is Mexico's leader to come and tell us how to run a country when he can't police his own insurgents armed by us?

I'd imagine that if they weren't using U.S. weapons, they'd be a lot easier to deal with. You're basically pitting the Mexican government resources against the American black market private resources. There's no way they can stack up to that.

That said, prohibiting the assault weapons may not mean jack shit for Mexico, since they're being moved there illegally anyway.

 

[AshburnerX]

That said, prohibiting the assault weapons may not mean jack shit for Mexico, since they're being moved there illegally anyway.

^This^. They were still getting huge amounts of the weapons even during the Assault Ban, which was mainly due to the fact that there wasn't anyone you could sell them to legally in the US. This made it very lucrative to export the weapons legally into Mexico and then just sell them to the drug cartels. Illegal shipments happen too, but not nearly as much as people think.

 

[SpecialKO]

That said, prohibiting the assault weapons may not mean jack shit for Mexico, since they're being moved there illegally anyway.

^This^. They were still getting huge amounts of the weapons even during the Assault Ban, which was mainly due to the fact that there wasn't anyone you could sell them to legally in the US. This made it very lucrative to export the weapons legally into Mexico and then just sell them to the drug cartels. Illegal shipments happen too, but not nearly as much as people think.[/QUOTE]

Radley Balko has a good article about this.

Basically, data is showing that not only are the vast, vast majority of assault/heavy weapons used by the cartels thought to come from other countries besides the US, but thousands of the guns that are from the US aren't purchased from US gun dealers, but stolen from US military shipments to Mexican law enforcement agencies by agents or soldiers who defect to the cartels, or were always working for the cartels in the first place.

While I am actually in support of more (or at least more enforced) gun control in the US, Calderon's contention that the cartels are being armed by US gun dealers just doesn't seem to hold much water.

 

[Necronic]

That last cartoon, was that one of the one's from the Draw Mohammed day thing? Say what you will about the gay joke involved in that cartoon, but any cartoonist that has the balls to draw a depiction of Mohammed is fine by me.

 

[Dusty668]

According to the site it was posted on May 20, but no real comments are made about the toons either.

 

[Matt²]

yeah I'm not seeing the obvious racism either.

 

[drawn_inward]

yeah I'm not seeing the obvious racism either.

It's a liberal grasping at straws crying foul at any criticism of their beloved one. How anyone can think Obama is not just Bush all over again is beyond me.

Also, JonJon, you really think the Unions are a good thing?? Why do you think that GM is so seriously jacked up? While I don't think all union org. are evil incarnate, I think they are completely antiquated.

 

[Krisken]

I don't see racism in that comic either. I'll be honest, I don't see Drawn Inward's "He's Bush all over again" either, though I suppose that just means I'm beyond him. :laugh:

 

[Dei]

Is it racism because they exaggerated his "black features"? Because if so, that's what you do when you draw political cartoons, you exaggerate their most obvious features, and has nothing to do with race. Where's the racism? I'm confused.

 

[Necronic]

yeah I think that's what people are implying, which is actually racist itself. It's like hanging out with a little person and completely ignoring his size in everything you do. I mean, if they did him up like Sambo....yeah that would be pretty damned racist...

 

[AshburnerX]

Also, JonJon, you really think the Unions are a good thing?? Why do you think that GM is so seriously jacked up?

Because Americans lost faith in the company when they hadn't released a decent car in decades? I'm sorry, but unless you can beat a Japanese car in at least two of the following:

- Price
- Reliability
- Style

... no one is going to fucking buy American, unless they have no choice. That's part of the reason why American manufacturers focused on gas guzzling Sport SUVs: Japan wasn't making anything like it and the American manufacturers knew they would appeal to the truck crowd. Then gas prices shot up because of the War and the rest is history. GM didn't fail because of Unions, it failed because of bad products and bad management.

 

[crono1224]

Also, JonJon, you really think the Unions are a good thing?? Why do you think that GM is so seriously jacked up?

Because Americans lost faith in the company when they hadn't released a decent car in decades? I'm sorry, but unless you can beat a Japanese car in at least two of the following:

- Price
- Reliability
- Style

... no one is going to fucking buy American, unless they have no choice. That's part of the reason why American manufacturers focused on gas guzzling Sport SUVs: Japan wasn't making anything like it and the American manufacturers knew they would appeal to the truck crowd. Then gas prices shot up because of the War and the rest is history. GM didn't fail because of Unions, it failed because of bad products and bad management.[/QUOTE]

Nope it's cause all the workers get paid 100k+ and never work because of unions [/sarcasm]... Seriously though there are a few different factors that went into why the shit the brick, it certainly doesn't help for the last 5+ years when i open a consumer report, the bottom 5~ cars in each category was one of the big three.

 

[Dei]

Here's the thing. At one point, unions kept employers from taking advantage of employees. Nowadays, it feels like unions are just there to keep people in jobs WHETHER OR NOT THEY DESERVE THEM. I can think of a few examples, but one that is actually closer to home and verified is that my father in law has been warned by his union leader to lower his productivity so that the people he works with don't look bad. You have things like the teacher's union, which repeatedly protect bad teachers, and won't even allow sexually abusive teachers to be fired, just shuffled off into back rooms where they do nothing BUT STILL GET PAID FULL SALARY. Unions basically have business by the balls, and the positions have been reversed.

 

[drawn_inward]

GM didn't fail because of Unions, it failed because of bad products and bad management.

I think it's more of a trifecta of those 3 things. I don't hate unions all together. Workers now have more rights then they did when unions were formed. The need for them is diminishing.

 

[Soliloquy]

Though it does raise the question: if unions go away, will things get bad to the point that we need them again?

 

[Shakey]

Though it does raise the question: if unions go away, will things get bad to the point that we need them again?

I doubt it. We have a minimum wage and workplace safety standards. Most unions really only fight for increased benefits and inflated salaries now. Some of the unions are different, but it will never be as bad as it was when unions first started here.

 

[Dusty668]

Dunno, seen more exaggeration in actual pictures, so I am not getting it.

 

[AshburnerX]

Though it does raise the question: if unions go away, will things get bad to the point that we need them again?

I doubt it. We have a minimum wage and workplace safety standards. Most unions really only fight for increased benefits and inflated salaries now. Some of the unions are different, but it will never be as bad as it was when unions first started here.[/QUOTE]

Except Minimum Wage isn't enough to survive on for a family and we still have many, many companies that refuse to meet workplace safety standards, as it would bankrupt them to make them. Not so coincidentally, the jobs that are most likely to pay you minimum wage and have safety violations are also the most likely not to have a union.

 

[Shakey]

I don't think unions are useless. The problem is that most established unions are less about helping their members get a good work environment and good pay, and more about covering their own ass and looking like they are needed.

 

[crono1224]

GM didn't fail because of Unions, it failed because of bad products and bad management.

I think it's more of a trifecta of those 3 things. I don't hate unions all together. Workers now have more rights then they did when unions were formed. The need for them is diminishing.[/QUOTE]

They established power, they aren't going to want to relinquish their hold, no one does when they gain so much power sadly.

Though it does raise the question: if unions go away, will things get bad to the point that we need them again?

I doubt it. We have a minimum wage and workplace safety standards. Most unions really only fight for increased benefits and inflated salaries now. Some of the unions are different, but it will never be as bad as it was when unions first started here.[/QUOTE]

Except Minimum Wage isn't enough to survive on for a family and we still have many, many companies that refuse to meet workplace safety standards, as it would bankrupt them to make them. Not so coincidentally, the jobs that are most likely to pay you minimum wage and have safety violations are also the most likely not to have a union.[/QUOTE]

Also most of those jobs aren't attempting to contract the brightest and the best, they more or less just want a meat bag to occupy the position (ie. fast food, super market, etc.).

 

[Necronic]

It wasn't all the unions fault, and it wasn't all management's fault, and it wasn't even just the car company's fault as a whole (parts suppliers were a big part of the problem.)

That said I am not a big fan of unions. I work for a company that maintains union rules for myself and others because other sites have unions, even if we aren't unionized ourselves. My experience has been that they don't promote for performance, just seniority, and they can't fire bad employees.

 

[Soliloquy]

On a related note: The firefighter's union in my hometown refused to make budget cuts in order to save jobs, preferring to have the higher-up firefighters keep their pay, and everyone who they can't afford go on unemployment.

Kind of seems screwed up to me.

 

[crono1224]

I think it's a case of people spoiling the system for others, unions are suppose to be able making sure the worker gets a fare shake (reasonable pay, decent work environment, etc.) But a few (hard to place the actual #) are abusing their current level of power, and are allowing lazy/bad workers to stay employed and are getting away from the base purpose of their need to exist.

 

[Bowielee]

I think it's a case of people spoiling the system for others, unions are suppose to be able making sure the worker gets a fare shake (reasonable pay, decent work environment, etc.) But a few (hard to place the actual #) are abusing their current level of power, and are allowing lazy/bad workers to stay employed and are getting away from the base purpose of their need to exist.

In my experience with unions, this is all they've ever done is protect lazy workers.

 

[crono1224]

I think it's a case of people spoiling the system for others, unions are suppose to be able making sure the worker gets a fare shake (reasonable pay, decent work environment, etc.) But a few (hard to place the actual #) are abusing their current level of power, and are allowing lazy/bad workers to stay employed and are getting away from the base purpose of their need to exist.

In my experience with unions, this is all they've ever done is protect lazy workers.[/QUOTE]

Sadly I think some of their best work is behind them, while the effects of what they have helped to do are still felt, they seem to be failing at doing what they are/were needed to do.

 

[Chazwozel]

Union?

UNION?

UNION!?!??

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[drawn_inward]

I was expecting a post from you, sir. You didn't disappoint.

 

[Troll]

I'll add my opinion that the cartoon isn't racist. Political cartoonists exaggerate features, it's practically required. Nothing racist about it.

Everything else, I'll just say:

 

[Bowielee]

I thought the "obvious racism" was referring to him asking how to speak "mexican". IE, it implies that Obama is racist.

 

[Troll]

I thought the "obvious racism" was referring to him asking how to speak "mexican". IE, it implies that Obama is racist.

Ah, now I get it. I'm so smart...

:blush:

 

[Bowielee]

I thought the "obvious racism" was referring to him asking how to speak "mexican". IE, it implies that Obama is racist.

Ah, now I get it. I'm so smart...

:blush:[/QUOTE]

That's just how I read it, I have no idea how the OP intended it.