Are you serious?

[Chibibar]

Let me be the first of the 1.5 million West Virginians to just punch you right in your fucking mouth, GB.

Robert Byrd: KKK Says Late Senator 'Wasn't A Klansman Long Enough To Get His Sheet Broke In'

He wasn't a member long enough GB

 

[GasBandit]

Let me be the first of the 1.5 million West Virginians to just punch you right in your fucking mouth, GB.

Robert Byrd: KKK Says Late Senator 'Wasn't A Klansman Long Enough To Get His Sheet Broke In'

He wasn't a member long enough GB [/QUOTE]

He was in it long enough to have his picture proudly taken though. And really, you think he didn't know what the KKK was about before he joined them? That's just plain willful gullibility.

Robert Byrd, D-WV

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Let me be the first of the 1.5 million West Virginians to just punch you right in your fucking mouth, GB.

Any given day DA doesn't want to physically assault me, is a day I haven't done my job.

 

[sixpackshaker]

Cut and paste photoshop to prove a point. Gas, you normally do a bit better than that.

 

[Krisken]

So you would have jumped on him had he only listed a group that was connected to the more conservative element? People point shit out and their personal bias plays into it, if I spent all my time pointing out "liberal" bias in threads here I'd post in 90% of threads and my fingers would fall off.

You know, I probably wouldn't have. I'm sure someone else would have. We jump on what we notice, just like when Bush was president and he would do the SAME FUCKING THING.

If you have a problem with pointless comment which rags on conservatives and makes connections which have nothing to do with the topic, by all means point it out.

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Cut and paste photoshop to prove a point. Gas, you normally do a bit better than that.

He just wants to get DA's dander up. You know, ruffle his feathers. Get him down.

 

[GasBandit]

Cut and paste photoshop to prove a point. Gas, you normally do a bit better than that.

How about this one?

“ I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds. ”

— Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944, [10][18]​

 

[Espy]

No, no, I'm just saying, of all the people who NEED their bias pointed out I doubt Gas is worth your time Krisken, I mean, it's not like there are people here who are confused and wondering what side of the aisle he's on

 

[sixpackshaker]

Cut and paste photoshop to prove a point. Gas, you normally do a bit better than that.

How about this one?

“ I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds. ”

— Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944, [10][18]​

[/QUOTE]

And he changed. It took another 20 years, but he did.

 

[Krisken]

You get way too worked up over this person, Krisken.

I'm not really worked up. Gas and I are having fun here.

 

[Krisken]

You get way too worked up over this person, Krisken.

I'm not really worked up. Gas and I are having fun here.[/QUOTE]

You two are secretly IRC BFFs?[/QUOTE]
We get along as well as anyone else, I think. I can tell when he is fishing, and sometimes I let him think he caught a fish. It's good fun all around, really.

If either of us took this seriously, there would be a whole lot less open threads!

 

[GasBandit]

Cut and paste photoshop to prove a point. Gas, you normally do a bit better than that.

How about this one?

“ I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds. ”

— Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1944, [10][18]​

[/QUOTE]

And he changed. It took another 20 years, but he did.[/QUOTE]

At least 20, seeing as how he filibustered the civil rights act in '64, and I doubt he immediately repented afterwords.

But all this is beside the point. I was providing an example as requested, of a christian with extremist views. And make no mistake Robert Byrd did consider himself a Christian. That he changed his views sometime at, around or after 50 years of age, doesn't change the example he set before that even if he did work to mitigate the damage he did for the rest of his life.

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You get way too worked up over this person, Krisken.

I'm not really worked up. Gas and I are having fun here.[/QUOTE]

SHSHT! IXNAY ON THE EALRAY ORYSTAY!

 

[Krisken]

Damn it! I mean.... if Gas would stop typing so much he could give Ron Paul the courtesy reach around.

 

[SpecialKO]

Can you keep your mutual troll-age out of HF, please? You have the right to express it, obviously, but some of us think it's really insensitive to do it on the grave of Scott's dead PvP forum. >

 

[Krisken]

I see Krisken and Gas are really the wiggin kids

I have no idea what that means.

No, no, I'm just saying, of all the people who NEED their bias pointed out I doubt Gas is worth your time Krisken, I mean, it's not like there are people here who are confused and wondering what side of the aisle he's on

Ah hah, I see. I suppose that is true. Maybe I was trying to remind Gas? He forgets sometimes

 

[Rob King]

I see Krisken and Gas are really the wiggin kids

I have no idea what that means.
[/quote]

A brother and sister that plot to take control of the government by posting on internet forums with vastly different views. Other than that Enders Game was a good book about a child prodigys adventures with a giant time travelling space bunny. I'm not sure what part of this statement is fact or fiction.[/QUOTE]

I have to admit: despite enjoying Ender's Game, I was confused about the "Wiggin Kids" reference. I thought maybe it was another cartoon of the 80/90's that I failed to watch.

 

[Dave]

Love or hate Olbermann, this is a great fucking video.

 

[Krisken]

Keith definitely has his moments. Sadly, it's usually when his verbose blustering style no longer seems so over the top

 

[JONJONAUG]

Al Franken continues to be one of my favorite Congressmen

 

[Dave]

Al Franken continues to be one of my favorite Congressmen

Probably why people are shooting at his house.

 

[Krisken]

Al Franken continues to be one of my favorite Congressmen

Probably why people are shooting at his house.[/QUOTE]
If they are shooting at his house with a rock or b b gun and expect it to seem threatening, those responsible should get their heads examined.

More likely, it's some stupid kids messing around.

 

[Dei]

I think it's probably stupid kids too, but...

Sgt. Bill Palmer of the Minneapolis Police Department told CNN he did not think the incident was politically motivated.

"I find it unlikely people actually even know where the senator lives," he said.

is a pretty ignorant thing to say in this day and age.

 

[SpecialKO]

I think it's probably stupid kids too, but...

Sgt. Bill Palmer of the Minneapolis Police Department told CNN he did not think the incident was politically motivated.

"I find it unlikely people actually even know where the senator lives," he said.

is a pretty ignorant thing to say in this day and age.

It's ignorant regardless. If Franken owns his house, the address is in public records at the local county clerk's office.

 

[SpecialKO]

Really good article at Forbes from a former FBI agent about the importance in the war on terror in being able to attack Bin Laden's narrative that the US is at war with Islam.

 

[sixpackshaker]

I wonder if the Dem's will play the bigot card against Palin and the Tea Party. Sarah weighing in on this and Dr "N-word" should be drummed out of the spotlight.

 

[Troll]

Here's an article covering protests, both against and in support of, the prayer center near Ground Zero.

Lots of interesting things in there. I'd rather you guys pick through it and comment instead of highlighting the high and incredibly low points of what people are saying.

WARNING: Do not read the comments section. If you value your sanity and IQ, stay far, far away.

 

[twitchmoss]

WARNING: Do not read the comments section. If you value your sanity and IQ, stay far, far away.

too late. MY EYES. THE STUPID, IT BURNS.

 

[AshburnerX]

"This is sacred ground and it's where my son was buried," the native Israeli from Queens said. She said the mosque would be "like a knife in our hearts."

"Sacred ground", yes. Much like Palin calls it "hallowed ground". Is that why there are 2 strip joints situated there?

That is because we in the US are worshipers of the Almight Dollar.

 

[SpecialKO]

Non-muslim Union Carpenter passes by WTC site, gets harassed for "looking Muslim".



No, nothing to do at all with religious prejudice or racism [/sarcasm]

 

[Rob King]

Jesus Christ.

The irony of this situation is fucking palpable. I remember reading about the causes leading up to World War I, and the talk of the intense nationalism, demonetization of other nations and peoples, etc. I always wondered how people could be so blind as to let that escalate into a global conflict, but now here I am watching it happen in my own day in age.

 

[JONJONAUG]

The "No Mosque at Ground Zero" group was deleted by Facebook today for death threats and conspiring to commit terrorist acts. The irony is delicious.

Senator Jeff Merkley (D-OR) is a pretty cool guy:

The debate swirling around the proposed mosque and Muslim community center in lower Manhattan near the World Trade Center site has, for many, tapped into strong emotions of a national trauma that is still raw. But in the churning political and constitutional arguments, one question has not been adequately addressed: what makes a mosque near ground zero offensive.

Nearly everyone in this debate affirms the constitutional right for the mosque's construction. Indeed, that right is a cherished founding principle. As Thomas Jefferson said, "The constitutional freedom of religion [is] the most inalienable and sacred of all human rights." It is no accident that the right to worship in accordance with one's own conscience is enshrined in the First Amendment.

But, many mosque opponents argue, just because it can be built does not mean it should be. They say it would be disrespectful to the memories of those who died on 9/11 to build a Muslim facility near the World Trade Center site. I appreciate the depth of emotions at play, but respectfully suggest that the presence of a mosque is only inappropriate near ground zero if we unfairly associate Muslim Americans with the atrocities of the foreign al-Qaida terrorists who attacked our nation.

Such an association is a profound error. Muslim Americans are our fellow citizens, not our enemies. Muslim Americans were among the victims who died at the World Trade Center in the 9/11 attacks. Muslim American first responders risked their lives to save their fellow citizens that day. Many of our Muslim neighbors, including thousands of Oregon citizens, serve our country in war zones abroad and our communities at home with dedication and distinction.

Some have also argued that the construction of the mosque would hand a propaganda victory to Osama bin Laden. I think the opposite is true. Al-Qaida justifies its murder by painting America as a nation at war with Islam. Celebrating our freedom of religion and Muslim Americans' place in our communities is a blow to al-Qaida's ideology of hate and division. We strengthen America by distinguishing, clearly and unequivocally, between our al-Qaida enemy and our Muslim neighbors.

President Bush understood the importance of separating the terrorists from over a billion peaceful Muslims around the world whose faith has been used as an excuse by those bent on killing. Speaking at a mosque just six days after the World Trade Center attack, President Bush said, "These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith, and it's important for my fellow Americans to understand that."

I have great respect for the sentiments of the survivors and family members of those who died on 9/11, and understand that some may not regard the situation this way. But our fundamental religious freedom and our national security -- in addition to fairness for our fellow citizens -- will be well served by drawing a bright line between our Muslim friends and neighbors at home, and our al-Qaida enemy abroad.

And it's nice to see at least one Republican practicing what he normally preaches. Ron Paul:

Is the controversy over building a mosque near ground zero a grand distraction or a grand opportunity? Or is it, once again, grandiose demagoguery?

It has been said, “Nero fiddled while Rome burned.” Are we not overly preoccupied with this controversy, now being used in various ways by grandstanding politicians? It looks to me like the politicians are “fiddling while the economy burns.”

The debate should have provided the conservative defenders of property rights with a perfect example of how the right to own property also protects the 1st Amendment rights of assembly and religion by supporting the building of the mosque.

Instead, we hear lip service given to the property rights position while demanding that the need to be “sensitive” requires an all-out assault on the building of a mosque, several blocks from “ground zero.”

Just think of what might (not) have happened if the whole issue had been ignored and the national debate stuck with war, peace, and prosperity. There certainly would have been a lot less emotionalism on both sides. The fact that so much attention has been given the mosque debate, raises the question of just why and driven by whom?

In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.

They never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for the ill conceived preventative wars. A select quote from soldiers from in Afghanistan and Iraq expressing concern over the mosque is pure propaganda and an affront to their bravery and sacrifice.

The claim is that we are in the Middle East to protect our liberties is misleading. To continue this charade, millions of Muslims are indicted and we are obligated to rescue them from their religious and political leaders. And, we’re supposed to believe that abusing our liberties here at home and pursuing unconstitutional wars overseas will solve our problems.

The nineteen suicide bombers didn’t come from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iran. Fifteen came from our ally Saudi Arabia, a country that harbors strong American resentment, yet we invade and occupy Iraq where no al Qaeda existed prior to 9/11.

Many fellow conservatives say they understand the property rights and 1st Amendment issues and don’t want a legal ban on building the mosque. They just want everybody to be “sensitive” and force, through public pressure, cancellation of the mosque construction.

This sentiment seems to confirm that Islam itself is to be made the issue, and radical religious Islamic views were the only reasons for 9/11. If it became known that 9/11 resulted in part from a desire to retaliate against what many Muslims saw as American aggression and occupation, the need to demonize Islam would be difficult if not impossible.

There is no doubt that a small portion of radical, angry Islamists do want to kill us but the question remains, what exactly motivates this hatred?

If Islam is further discredited by making the building of the mosque the issue, then the false justification for our wars in the Middle East will continue to be acceptable.

The justification to ban the mosque is no more rational than banning a soccer field in the same place because all the suicide bombers loved to play soccer.

Conservatives are once again, unfortunately, failing to defend private property rights, a policy we claim to cherish. In addition conservatives missed a chance to challenge the hypocrisy of the left which now claims they defend property rights of Muslims, yet rarely if ever, the property rights of American private businesses.

Defending the controversial use of property should be no more difficult than defending the 1st Amendment principle of defending controversial speech. But many conservatives and liberals do not want to diminish the hatred for Islam–the driving emotion that keeps us in the wars in the Middle East and Central Asia.

It is repeatedly said that 64% of the people, after listening to the political demagogues, don’t want the mosque to be built. What would we do if 75% of the people insist that no more Catholic churches be built in New York City? The point being is that majorities can become oppressors of minority rights as well as individual dictators. Statistics of support is irrelevant when it comes to the purpose of government in a free society—protecting liberty.

The outcry over the building of the mosque, near ground zero, implies that Islam alone was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. According to those who are condemning the building of the mosque, the nineteen suicide terrorists on 9/11 spoke for all Muslims. This is like blaming all Christians for the wars of aggression and occupation because some Christians supported the neo-conservative’s aggressive wars.

The House Speaker is now treading on a slippery slope by demanding a Congressional investigation to find out just who is funding the mosque—a bold rejection of property rights, 1st Amendment rights, and the Rule of Law—in order to look tough against Islam.

This is all about hate and Islamaphobia.

We now have an epidemic of “sunshine patriots” on both the right and the left who are all for freedom, as long as there’s no controversy and nobody is offended.

Political demagoguery rules when truth and liberty are ignored.

 

[sixpackshaker]

A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals....

I need to find that on DVD some time...

 

[Espy]

Wow, way to go Ron Paul. Where'd you get that from Jonjon?

 

[Dave]

Ron Paul never stood a chance in the presidential campaign because of logical views like this. Logic and critical thinking is trumped by the loudmouth fringe idiots on both sides. I may not like his every view on things but damn do I respect the guy.

 

[SpecialKO]

I will give any politician who argues for the US to step a little lighter on the international level at least the time of day.

It's sad that I now have to add "politician who supports the 1st Amendment and one of the founding principles behind the identity of our country" to that statement.

 

[sixpackshaker]

Ron Paul never stood a chance in the presidential campaign because of logical views like this. Logic and critical thinking is trumped by the loudmouth fringe idiots on both sides. I may not like his every view on things but damn do I respect the guy.

Too bad is boy Rand is one of the kooky, loudmouthed, fringe idiots.

 

[Bubble181]

The point being is that majorities can become oppressors of minority rights as well as individual dictators

Hear here.