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"they've accused us of calling the site men bashing! They are bashing us!"
My Fault I'm Female
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Element 117
Thread derailing in Halforums? Unheard of!
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Our points are not mutually exclusive:
"Some of us throw shit fits when people talk about stuff they don't like. Instead of say, not reading participating in those threads. I''m guilty of the same thing when men complain about women on the forum. The end result is, if you don't talk about the shit I like, I'm going to derail your threads with tirades about what a waste of time you are. Your topics aren't interesting to me, and I speak for the forum. I'm smarter than you, and I'm agressive and tough enough to USE ALL CAPS AND PROVE IT BY CALLING YOU NAMES! I'm really much more interested in crude jokes and pictures of you nude than your opinions. Unless you're ugly. Then you're just worthless. Oh, and don't post a rebuttal, because I'm too busy laughing at a video. What the fuck man!? Can't you just let me derail your thread in peace? ITS OBVIOUSLY A JOKE, bitch! Learn to Laugh! I'm not an asshole, I'm a meta asshole, because it's ironic! I don't really mean all of this, bitch! <insert video here>"
Ooohh, I got "someone using #MFIM" finally on my thread bingo card!
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#IBCR
#ICBM
Women, amirite?
Seriously, though, sexism (and other favoritisms based on things other than actual ability) exists in many forms, and if anything, the cases of women blowing things out of proportion are all the more infuriating, because it gives the built in excuse of "See, it's all a big overreaction!"
Seriously, though, sexism (and other favoritisms based on things other than actual ability) exists in many forms, and if anything, the cases of women blowing things out of proportion are all the more infuriating, because it gives the built in excuse of "See, it's all a big overreaction!"
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Yeah dude, women are totally more (everything bad ever) than men.
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LordRavage
*Is unsure what to even say in this thread. So he hugs everyone.
Yeah dude, women are totally more (everything bad ever) than men.[/QUOTE]
Actually, it was a meta effort to get things back on topic, but feel free to continue your crusade of persecution. See: overreaction.
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Yeah dude, women are totally more (everything bad ever) than men.[/QUOTE]
Actually, it was a meta effort to get things back on topic, but feel free to continue your crusade of persecution. See: overreaction.[/QUOTE]
right, so when you joke it's cool, but shit dun get real when a bitch does it. Fucking jihad times now.
Yeah dude, women are totally more (everything bad ever) than men.[/QUOTE]
Actually, it was a meta effort to get things back on topic, but feel free to continue your crusade of persecution. See: overreaction.[/QUOTE]
right, so when you joke it's cool, but shit dun get real when a bitch does it. Fucking jihad times now.[/QUOTE]
Not any woman, just you. It's difficult to tell where the line between serious and joking is with you.
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Yeah dude, women are totally more (everything bad ever) than men.[/QUOTE]
Actually, it was a meta effort to get things back on topic, but feel free to continue your crusade of persecution. See: overreaction.[/QUOTE]
right, so when you joke it's cool, but shit dun get real when a bitch does it. Fucking jihad times now.[/QUOTE]
Not any woman, just you. It's difficult to tell where the line between serious and joking is with you.[/QUOTE]
I'm not joking. Attempting to illustrate a point, (or as you call it, crusading to man bash and persecute; instead of point out how tired some overplayed swagger tactics are) but not joking in the slightest.
Yeah dude, women are totally more (everything bad ever) than men.[/QUOTE]
Actually, it was a meta effort to get things back on topic, but feel free to continue your crusade of persecution. See: overreaction.[/QUOTE]
right, so when you joke it's cool, but shit dun get real when a bitch does it. Fucking jihad times now.[/QUOTE]
Not any woman, just you. It's difficult to tell where the line between serious and joking is with you.[/QUOTE]
I'm not joking. Attempting to illustrate a point, (or as you call it, crusading to man bash and persecute; instead of point out how tired some overplayed swagger tactics are) but not joking in the slightest.[/QUOTE]
In that case, then, I apologize. I was not attempting to generalize or even marginalize, just attempting to bring actual discussion back to the actual topic. Shouldn't have even made the meta joke, as the sarcasm was poorly placed.
Yeah dude, women are totally more (everything bad ever) than men.[/QUOTE]
Ehhhh... the joke thing I won't dispute, but I'm afraid I don't see what's wrong with the blowing out of proportion bit. Or rather, I don't get your point. He's sayiing: sometimes women exaggerate on certain specific things which may or may not be sexists, and that actually works agains her case. You say he's being sexist because he says 'women' do this instead of 'people'? Well, the thing is men are not the main victims of sexist acts so obviously they won't have much to blow out of proportion!
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Wasabi Poptart
Do women really blow things out of proportion or is it just men minimizing the problems that women have?
Not speaking in a general sense, here, but even on that site there are specific instances of situations that (admittedly out of context) don't appear sexist. Which, then, people can use to generalize in a "See, it's all an overreaction" sense. It's just infuriating because it undermines the actual discussion with a misguided sense of "it's not that big a deal".
Which I was trying to say initially, but the poorly timed joke and wording betrayed my intentions.
I'm sure the the answer to that question can only be answered on a case by case basis...
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Yeah dude, women are totally more (everything bad ever) than men.[/QUOTE]
Ehhhh... the joke thing I won't dispute, but I'm afraid I don't see what's wrong with the blowing out of proportion bit. Or rather, I don't get your point. He's sayiing: sometimes women exaggerate on certain specific things which may or may not be sexists, and that actually works agains her case. You say he's being sexist because he says 'women' do this instead of 'people'? Well, the thing is men are not the main victims of sexist acts so obviously they won't have much to blow out of proportion![/QUOTE]
Actually, no that's not what I said, nor was it an implied point (my point being, fyi, "if anything a man says women blowing things out of proportion is even more infuriating" is a generalized sweeping statement that comes across saying "when women do it, its obviously worse than when men do it, because they can excuse it!" while ignoring the same excuses men have, in favor of the argument " Well yeah, sometimes some men can be sexist but when women do it thats a FUCKING OUTRAGE!"
Here's a theory: sexism hurts whoever it happens to, and when it happens to men, they might feel social pressure to stfu about it or get yelled at by feminazi liberals. That doesn't make any less or more outrageous when it happens to women, and endless "oh yeah, no you!" remarks miss the point.
Yeah dude, women are totally more (everything bad ever) than men.[/QUOTE]
Ehhhh... the joke thing I won't dispute, but I'm afraid I don't see what's wrong with the blowing out of proportion bit. Or rather, I don't get your point. He's sayiing: sometimes women exaggerate on certain specific things which may or may not be sexists, and that actually works agains her case. You say he's being sexist because he says 'women' do this instead of 'people'? Well, the thing is men are not the main victims of sexist acts so obviously they won't have much to blow out of proportion![/QUOTE]
Actually, no that's not what I said, nor was it an implied point (my point being, fyi, "if anything a man says women blowing things out of proportion is even more infuriating" is a generalized sweeping statement that comes across saying "when women do it, its obviously worse than when men do it, because they can excuse it!" while ignoring the same excuses men have, in favor of the argument " Well yeah, sometimes some men can be sexist but when women do it thats a FUCKING OUTRAGE!"
Here's a theory: sexism hurts whoever it happens to, and when it happens to men, they might feel social pressure to stfu about it or get yelled at by feminazi liberals. That doesn't make any less or more outrageous when it happens to women, and endless "oh yeah, no you!" remarks miss the point.[/QUOTE]
Well, as I said (or tried to) I hadn't really gotten your point.
Now, I'd say the 'all the more infuriating' is a bad choice of words by piotyr and that's not really what he wanted to say.
Anyway, I'll gtfo, I don't think I'm qualified to take part in this discussion.
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Were you just socially pressured into stfu?
I'm not "qualified" either, other than by dint of me having an opinion, and voicing it, waiting to see whose opposing viewpoint makes more sense about this kind of shit than mine. If a different perspective/belief helps me understand men/others in general more, then I'll happily listen. But god damn it's maddening to see threads like this devolve into <video joke> instead actually speaking your mind. If I'm guilty about whinging that threads i like are tragically derailed by lulzerz, that's fine, but I think it's a cop out answer.
I'm not "qualified" either, other than by dint of me having an opinion, and voicing it, waiting to see whose opposing viewpoint makes more sense about this kind of shit than mine. If a different perspective/belief helps me understand men/others in general more, then I'll happily listen. But god damn it's maddening to see threads like this devolve into <video joke> instead actually speaking your mind. If I'm guilty about whinging that threads i like are tragically derailed by lulzerz, that's fine, but I think it's a cop out answer.
This is just an opinion of mine, and it could be totally misguided, but I feel that in general, men and women are programmed (either biologically or spiritually, depending on how you swing, I guess) with some odd kind of social disconnect, in such a way that members of one gender have a complete inability to process what is said by members of the other gender. Not necessarily wrong, just different in an unexplainable way. I find that I often have no idea how to understand women, in general.
Now, that doesn't in any way excuse sexist behavior or the centuries-long treatment of women as a subordinate species, of course. That was and is wrong.
EDIT: I may be unqualified to speak on behalf of any female, and completely ignorant. I'm still determined to learn and become a better person anyway, damn it.
Now, that doesn't in any way excuse sexist behavior or the centuries-long treatment of women as a subordinate species, of course. That was and is wrong.
EDIT: I may be unqualified to speak on behalf of any female, and completely ignorant. I'm still determined to learn and become a better person anyway, damn it.
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So how does your opinion address intersex/trans/queer individuals?
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Chazwozel
If only there was some message board women could go to and complain about men's behavior...
[/QUOTE]So long as its not here, right? Because god knows mentioning places like that here is MAN BASHING, and us non white non men need to know our place here. I'm sure I'm just over reacting to a joke that all men find hilarious.[/QUOTE]
Looks like it's someones special time of the month...
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If only there was some message board women could go to and complain about men's behavior...
[/QUOTE]So long as its not here, right? Because god knows mentioning places like that here is MAN BASHING, and us non white non men need to know our place here. I'm sure I'm just over reacting to a joke that all men find hilarious.[/QUOTE]
Looks like it's someones special time of the month...[/QUOTE]
Dude:
http://www.halforums.com/forum/t14371-6/#post421508
Yeah dude, women are totally more (everything bad ever) than men.[/QUOTE]
Ehhhh... the joke thing I won't dispute, but I'm afraid I don't see what's wrong with the blowing out of proportion bit. Or rather, I don't get your point. He's sayiing: sometimes women exaggerate on certain specific things which may or may not be sexists, and that actually works agains her case. You say he's being sexist because he says 'women' do this instead of 'people'? Well, the thing is men are not the main victims of sexist acts so obviously they won't have much to blow out of proportion![/QUOTE]
Actually, no that's not what I said, nor was it an implied point (my point being, fyi, "if anything a man says women blowing things out of proportion is even more infuriating" is a generalized sweeping statement that comes across saying "when women do it, its obviously worse than when men do it, because they can excuse it!" while ignoring the same excuses men have, in favor of the argument " Well yeah, sometimes some men can be sexist but when women do it thats a FUCKING OUTRAGE!"
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See, I read that as "Women blowing things out of proportion makes sexism more infuriating because it allows people a way to weasel out of the discussion" rather than "women blowing things out of proportion is more infuriating than men blowing them out of proportion."
Blowing things out of proportion for the win!
Blowing.
I'm just saying
If only there was some message board women could go to and complain about men's behavior...
[/QUOTE]So long as its not here, right? Because god knows mentioning places like that here is MAN BASHING, and us non white non men need to know our place here. I'm sure I'm just over reacting to a joke that all men find hilarious.[/QUOTE]
Looks like it's someones special time of the month...[/QUOTE]
Classy.
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Chazwozel
If only there was some message board women could go to and complain about men's behavior...
[/QUOTE]So long as its not here, right? Because god knows mentioning places like that here is MAN BASHING, and us non white non men need to know our place here. I'm sure I'm just over reacting to a joke that all men find hilarious.[/QUOTE]
Looks like it's someones special time of the month...[/QUOTE]
Classy.[/QUOTE]
What else is there to say? Look at her ranting on about nothing!
I've been thinking about this stuff for the last few days on and off, and I think I've come to a personal conclusion that 'racism' or 'sexism' in a strict-ish sense might never ever come to a complete end. I believe that official/institutional discrimination will eventually perish, as I hope that the individuals who hate based on race or gender will as well. But there will probably always be racial/gender stereotypes of one sort or another floating around.
Think about it as a matter of Nationality. I'm sure few Americans have any ill feelings toward Canadians, but there are stereotypical 'Canadian' qualities that you think of when we talk about Canadians. Similarly, I picture particular things about Americans, Australians, etc. Most of them are harmless, like the Australian bent for partying, or that Germans are always angry, or that Canadians apologize too damn much.
Is it possible that there will always be racial/sex-based stereotypes, similar to the current national stereotypes? If you were transported 100 years in the future and found out that A) there were still little stereotypes floating around, B) they weren't based in hate, and C) 98% of the population recognized them as silly/likely untrue, how would you feel about it?
Think about it as a matter of Nationality. I'm sure few Americans have any ill feelings toward Canadians, but there are stereotypical 'Canadian' qualities that you think of when we talk about Canadians. Similarly, I picture particular things about Americans, Australians, etc. Most of them are harmless, like the Australian bent for partying, or that Germans are always angry, or that Canadians apologize too damn much.
Is it possible that there will always be racial/sex-based stereotypes, similar to the current national stereotypes? If you were transported 100 years in the future and found out that A) there were still little stereotypes floating around, B) they weren't based in hate, and C) 98% of the population recognized them as silly/likely untrue, how would you feel about it?
So how does your opinion address intersex/trans/queer individuals?[/QUOTE]
Considering my opinion is based on social observation, and I have admittedly little social exposure to many in the GLBT (I?) community, I'm really not sure. I clearly am unable to understand you on a social level. I hesitate to even mention this because of a propensity for everyone to have a token gay friend, but I do have a gay friend, and I do get where he's coming from, for the most part. I know it's dangerous to generalize on any physical level, because of the sheer level of uniqueness, but I still think there's something to it on a basic level. I find it easier to relate to men on a social level than women. I'm not sure why that is.
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clarify?
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Chazwozel
I already warned everyone on the last page to chill out. 10 points infraction. You guys want this thread locked keep it up, otherwise play nice.
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-Espy
It is much easier to say someone is blowing things out of proportion and say there is no problem than it is to face the problem and do what you can to fix it.
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