Georgia politician tries to criminalize miscarriages...
- Thread starter SpecialKO
- Start date
- Status
God damnit Georgia, you're not making this relationship easy. I told you already, the counsellor said we needed to try COMPROMISE. You behave mildly civilized, and I say "y'all" and enjoy your earthy style.
Fortunately it's usually only one or two wingnuts per term who somehow stumble into office. It doesn't take much to introduce a bill. Far more to get it to pass a wing of the legislature, and even more than that to get the governor's signature.
The press is getting these bills in their infancy. Very few have a snowball's chance of getting out of committee, let alone making it into law.
The press is getting these bills in their infancy. Very few have a snowball's chance of getting out of committee, let alone making it into law.
I'm telling ya man, Crazy Crown. There has to be one.
C
Chibibar
That is true, but the really sad part is that such an idea is actually introduce as a bill in the first place.
Miscarriage? seriously? it is like a person have a control over that. I have a couple of friends who will be more than happy to slap these lawmakers silly and tell them how much control they have over miscarriage.
We can but hope.
C
Chibibar
You know, if the world (as in the whole world) is having population issue I can understand why such laws would be put in place (well not miscarriage but other stuff) but currently we have children here in the U.S. and around the world STARVING and trying to live. Why not put that kind of power into use and help those kids that are already here? Why worry about the other "future" kids that may or may not be here?
North_Ranger
Staff member
'cause once you're outta the womb yer own yer own. Get a job, you damn hippie! 't ain't my fault ye can't even crawl yet!
[/southernrepublicandouchebag]
P
Philosopher B.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Franklin
I cannot in good conscience call this man - ahem - this human flotsam, this odious blackguard, a piece of shit. For you see, but a little while ago, that pile of butt-nuggets you now see floating languidly along the bottom of yon hopper was a glorious sandwich. It is not, therefore, far removed from its origins.
Bobby Franklin, on the other hand, is what happens when you shit ... and re-eat your shit. Having re-ingested said crappings, you then regurgitate them along with whatever else you've eaten this dreary morn in a sort of bile cocktail, and gaze upon what you've done. Upon seriously and methodically contemplating its runny, chunky funkiness, you then re-spread it between two dried cow turds, whereupon you squeeze it together and open wide.
You are now holding in your grease-stained mit a Shitbile Special, otherwise known as What Bobby Fucknuts Franklin Sees When he Looks in the Mirror. It is suspected that this sight, being as it is fucking terrible, puts him into such a wretched, miserable state, that he must then traverse the world trying to impose his horrible, bigoted morality on good and reasonable people.
There is, unfortunately, no known cure for being an Insufferable Fucknut, aside from of course passing on. Sadly, however, a common side effect of being a complete and utter cock-wart is longevity, coupled with pasty, pasty white skin that causes you to resemble an honest-to-Zod vampiric beast-creature.
I cannot in good conscience call this man - ahem - this human flotsam, this odious blackguard, a piece of shit. For you see, but a little while ago, that pile of butt-nuggets you now see floating languidly along the bottom of yon hopper was a glorious sandwich. It is not, therefore, far removed from its origins.
Bobby Franklin, on the other hand, is what happens when you shit ... and re-eat your shit. Having re-ingested said crappings, you then regurgitate them along with whatever else you've eaten this dreary morn in a sort of bile cocktail, and gaze upon what you've done. Upon seriously and methodically contemplating its runny, chunky funkiness, you then re-spread it between two dried cow turds, whereupon you squeeze it together and open wide.
You are now holding in your grease-stained mit a Shitbile Special, otherwise known as What Bobby Fucknuts Franklin Sees When he Looks in the Mirror. It is suspected that this sight, being as it is fucking terrible, puts him into such a wretched, miserable state, that he must then traverse the world trying to impose his horrible, bigoted morality on good and reasonable people.
There is, unfortunately, no known cure for being an Insufferable Fucknut, aside from of course passing on. Sadly, however, a common side effect of being a complete and utter cock-wart is longevity, coupled with pasty, pasty white skin that causes you to resemble an honest-to-Zod vampiric beast-creature.
J
Jiarn
Just out of curiosity, isn't the legistation he's trying to pass say that only if the miscarriage is found to be forcefully caused be criminal? Other than abortion, if someone forcefully causes a miscarriage, I'd actually like to see some reprocussions toward that.
It looks like they want to treat a miscarriage like the death of a child. So if a pregnant woman falls down the stairs and miscarries, she could face charges of criminal negligence and manslaughter.
J
Jiarn
I would be behind that if she purposely did it. Obviously not if it was an accident.
I see very little merit in this idea, it's just too extreme in it's current build.
I see very little merit in this idea, it's just too extreme in it's current build.
How would you prove it? Seriously. How? Short of it being done in full view of a security camera or a crowd of bystanders, I mean.
J
Jiarn
Kind of like how they prove suicides vs homicides in similar style cases.
They wouldn't have to prove their innocence, there would just have to be proof of their guilt. (Innocent until proven guilty, etc.)
They wouldn't have to prove their innocence, there would just have to be proof of their guilt. (Innocent until proven guilty, etc.)
J
Jiarn
Yeah, I get what he's doing is wrong and I don't agree with it at all. Just made me think about how there's nothing really in place to criminalize those who should.
As for your question Norris, I'm talking about the more blatant (Heavy drinking, drug abuse, etc) obvious offenes.
As for your question Norris, I'm talking about the more blatant (Heavy drinking, drug abuse, etc) obvious offenes.
Interestingly enough, I think the law would be just fine if you shift the burden of proof. Make it a serious crime if it turns out a person deliberately caused a miscarriage. The only problem is that the law basically assumes the mother had something to do with it, and then requires her to prove otherwise.
J
Jiarn
Pretty much my feelings on the subject Tress. Well put.
Okay, just read the text of this bill. Not going to bring up the way it shifts the burden of proof, previous posters have covered the problems with that. Page 3 of the bill is...interesting though. Pretty much entirely given over to ranting about Roe vs.Wade, including this line:
"Compliance with, and continuation of, a fiat determination of the Supreme Court from nearly 40 years ago will cause the basis of this Union, and eventually the Union itself, to fall"
Did he just argue that Roe vs. Wade will lead to the dissolution of the entire United States of America?
Krisken is right. We need a Crazy Crown.
"Compliance with, and continuation of, a fiat determination of the Supreme Court from nearly 40 years ago will cause the basis of this Union, and eventually the Union itself, to fall"
Did he just argue that Roe vs. Wade will lead to the dissolution of the entire United States of America?
Krisken is right. We need a Crazy Crown.
C
Chibibar
Heh. Yup that is what he is claiming. So far after 40 years, U.S. is still going.
I
Iaculus
I, uh, thought you were supposed to keep the paranoid ranting out of official legal documents.
Or is this the new fashion?
Or is this the new fashion?
- Status