WTF Wisconsin? (Formerly Walker convo thread)
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Unless it ends up in every paper in the state, it will get tossed out.
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Chibibar
sad but true
This is the Dane County District Attorney's court document which was filed against Jeff and Scott Fitzgerald, Michael Ellis, Scott Suder, and Douglas Lafollette. This is to decide if they violated Wisconsin's open meetings law, which requires that meetings must take place at least 2 hours after the public announcement of the meeting and 24 hour notice when a new measure is introduced.
Because it is hilarious, I am sharing a Madison Police incident report. Grothman called all of the protesters "slobs".
On a sadder note, the city of West Bend, my city, would shoulder one of the greatest cuts in the state. My city/county voted overwhelmingly for Walker and Grothman. I will have a hard time having pity for their tears.
On a sadder note, the city of West Bend, my city, would shoulder one of the greatest cuts in the state. My city/county voted overwhelmingly for Walker and Grothman. I will have a hard time having pity for their tears.
Time to add a new wrinkle to this whole fiasco:
A judge blocks the new law due to violations of the open meetings law.
So we have to go through it all over again. This should be fun.
A judge blocks the new law due to violations of the open meetings law.
So we have to go through it all over again. This should be fun.
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TheBrew
Not good for Walker and the GOP. The longer this plays out, the more it hurts them.
Especially if it's delayed until the Recall attempts start coming in. If they lose even one guy, they'll have to wait for the election and if it's a Dem who's elected then the whole thing is over. They must be panicking at this point.
Necronic
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That's absolutely hilarious and filled with win.
You know, I'm starting to have bit more respect for the Dems there. The process has been slimy as all get out, but if it works its pretty damned clever. The Dems had no direct way to challenge this. Reps owned the house/senate/gov table. But somehow they may have tricked the Reps into getting blustery and making a heinously stupid mistake like breaking the law. This means that the Reps may actually loose the totalitarian power they had been given.
If they had just had a bit more patience, and a bit less bluster, they would have won this hands down, it was just a matter of time. Now it really isn't as certain.
You know, there are times when I see ridiculous cuts to education coupled with claims that teachers are root of all evil, and I think to myself "Just fucking do it. Slash education, put 70 kids in a classroom, get rid of all their books, and eliminate every class that isn't a math or science. Then we'll see how happy you stupid assholes are." Of course that would never be acceptable because kids would be hurt worst of all, but it's tempting.
Don't forget to cut band, cheerleading, track, hockey, basketball, and football too. Sure it'll make school suck all that more, but think of the SAVINGS!
Racine Unified tried that. Didn't work.
The talk is that pretty much every county with large school districts will have large cuts, while some schools in BFN Wisconsin (the parts of the state that even we confuse with Canada) are going to see increases.
Oh, and on top of that, in exchange for paying more for my health care? There's talk that the benefits are going to go down the tubes as well.
On, Wississippi.
The talk is that pretty much every county with large school districts will have large cuts, while some schools in BFN Wisconsin (the parts of the state that even we confuse with Canada) are going to see increases.
Oh, and on top of that, in exchange for paying more for my health care? There's talk that the benefits are going to go down the tubes as well.
On, Wississippi.
It sure as heck wasn't in cutting teachers' pay.
If memory serves, they were going to find ways of adding revenue without having to raise taxes - and they DEFINITELY weren't going to be giving tax breaks to donors.
Other than that - no clue what a Barrett administration would have done.
Well, except for one thing: they probably would have shuttered EAS anyways.
If memory serves, they were going to find ways of adding revenue without having to raise taxes - and they DEFINITELY weren't going to be giving tax breaks to donors.
Other than that - no clue what a Barrett administration would have done.
Well, except for one thing: they probably would have shuttered EAS anyways.
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Chibibar
I am still trying to figure out on how the whole national "increase" education is going to work if they keep cutting teacher's pay.
Oh, didn't you hear? We're a drain on society with our luxurious salaries. Besides, ask any pundit: when a kid does well, it's because he/she was raised right, possesses a strong independent work ethic, and is naturally gifted. If a kid does poorly, it's because the teacher is an incompetent loser who couldn't find a real job.
Necronic
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Dunno if I am mispercieving this but I seriously dislike the implication that Teachers Unions are inherently a good thing for the education system and students, and all teachers support them, because that's a pretty bold claim. Personally I agree with Teacher's Unions on certain aspects (increasing pay, increasing funding, promoting LBGT teacher rights, against No Child Left Behind) but MASSIVELY disagree with them on many many other stances (against merit based pay, against school vouchers, against Teach For America)
Generally they maintain the same unfavorable stances that many unions do, where they support the interests of their members above the interests of the business they work in. In the cases I mentioned this is done by removing competion which *could* remove motivation for performance.
Just don't assume that the damage to unions is inherently bad for students, because that's a totally different argument. Now, it most likely IS bad for Teachers, that's a no brainer.
Generally they maintain the same unfavorable stances that many unions do, where they support the interests of their members above the interests of the business they work in. In the cases I mentioned this is done by removing competion which *could* remove motivation for performance.
Just don't assume that the damage to unions is inherently bad for students, because that's a totally different argument. Now, it most likely IS bad for Teachers, that's a no brainer.
I don't think anyone really disagrees with you here as opposed to disagreeing with the implication that the entire budget and school system can be fixed by outlawing collective bargaining. That's ultimately what Walker and the GOPers in the state legislation are trying to say.
My argument will always be that he went about it the wrong way. Then again, that seems to be par for the course with these guys - witness what our new state treasurer wants to do with his own position (and that of Secretary of State).
I missed that part of my PoliSci classwork that said, "When trying to implement policy, go big or go home." Silly me, I thought it was always "Implement in increments."
EDIT: Interesting quote from Salon:
I missed that part of my PoliSci classwork that said, "When trying to implement policy, go big or go home." Silly me, I thought it was always "Implement in increments."
EDIT: Interesting quote from Salon:
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Chibibar
that is exactly what the Wisconsin GOP is thinking. No Collective Bargaining = save money.
Oh, and slash education budget!And then give that money to corporations. Oh, and if the education system gets bad enough, the people will be begging to have it privatized.that is exactly what the Wisconsin GOP is thinking. No Collective Bargaining = save money.
Welp. My lovely state senator replied to my little "thanks for nothin', buddy" e-mail. He didn't mention ONE THING about EAS closing. It was all about "the state spent itself into a hole and didn't stop spending and we can't do anything about it except cut stuff wah wah wah".
Oh, and the good news is, I won't have to struggle to try to meet the physical fitness requirements for a job up in Oshkosh. The bad news is, it's because of health history.
Oh, and the good news is, I won't have to struggle to try to meet the physical fitness requirements for a job up in Oshkosh. The bad news is, it's because of health history.
Indiana prosecutor has resigned since it has been discovered he suggested, to Governor Walker, that a fake attack on the Governor should be staged to put unions in a bad light. Stay classy, sir.
Well, we still don't care about the law here in Wisconsin. Bill restricting collective bargaining in Wisconsin published despite court order
Someone on another board explained that the agency that published the law did so out of obligation (I.E, it was passed so we publish it regardless of whether or not it is ever enforced) and that the agency who published the law pointed out that until the Secretary of State publishes the law, it is not actually legally enforceable (and the court order will prevent that from occurring). However, Walker has claimed he will ignore the shit out of that last part.
Note this is all second hand, and un-fact-checked. It is simply what I've heard.
Note this is all second hand, and un-fact-checked. It is simply what I've heard.
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