DC Comic's Big Announcement

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That is absolutely my biggest worry as well. If they want to get her to "walking" again, that's fine...but tell the story of getting her from where she is now to where they want her. Make the character grow but also have to DEAL with the history.
 
So looks like the more popular Wildstorm characters have migrated out of their universe into DC. joy </sarcasm>.
 
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I will give DC credit for this: while very few of the books will appeal to everyone, and very few readers will be interested in all the books, everyone should be able to find at least 2 or 3 books that will appeal to them. The variety is quite wide. And I've yet to see any individual title that doesn't have the potential to find some audience. Even among yesterday's "teen"heroes announcements.
 
I never understand why they feel the need to give Superman a new costume. It's been tweaked over the years, but it's a very solid, identifiable design that just works.
 
Unlike some of the other costume changes, I promise that supes one will be changed back sooner than later. Mainly cuz its sucks, well at least in that drawing,

 
Ugh, and I thought that the design for Harley was bad in Batman: Arkham Asylum.
At least the design for Harley in Arkham Asylum made sense: Harley loves to dress up in costumes to fuck with people, mainly because The Joker does too. I hope this costume doesn't stick though... her old one had a classic timeless appeal, but this new one just seems to be a cash in on a pop style.

God damn it... are they planning to cancel Gotham City Sirens or fuck it up even more? They just had Harley break in to try and kill the Joker (because of the bullshit he's done to her FOR YEARS) but ended up springing him instead. I understand the status que but it does run counter to her entire character arc that's been going for years.
 
Isn't the new Birds of Prey going to be Poison Ivy and someone else, I assume that yes, Gotham Sirens is fucked.
 
Isn't the new Birds of Prey going to be Poison Ivy and someone else, I assume that yes, Gotham Sirens is fucked.
Yeah, I just looked up the relaunch stuff... Catwoman is getting her own comic and Ivy is going to Birds of Prey. Considering Harley just sprung the Joker, it's likely she's going to be sticking with him for awhile. So yeah, I'm guessing Gotham City Sirens is done, unless it gets a whole new cast.
 
I know those hardcovers are meant to be collector's items but fuck do I hate them. I got a Powers hardcover collection and the middle 100 or so pages were nearly impossible to read with breaking the spine in half. You just couldn't see the inner inch of the page.
 
Dan Didio.

I have to say at least that's better than their latest practice of putting out hard cover trades with maybe 4 issues in them. Or their last Omnibus they did for the Flash which was maybe 10 issues for $75.
 
Dan Didio.

I have to say at least that's better than their latest practice of putting out hard cover trades with maybe 4 issues in them. Or their last Omnibus they did for the Flash which was maybe 10 issues for $75.
More like 18. 12 regular-sized issues and 3 double-sized issues. But $75 is still pricey. Even though I bought it. :(

Also, I like to call him "Dan Dildio".
 
More like 18. 12 regular-sized issues and 3 double-sized issues. But $75 is still pricey. Even though I bought it. :(
I did the same. bottom line is there was no good reason for charging ~$3.50 per issue of content in that book, especially when you compare it with the omnibus's Marvel puts out. Of course comparing those two companies' trade policies would be like looking at the success of MLS to the NFL.

I hate how we'll never get a Mark Waid Flash omnibus again, because he and Chuck Dixon dared to criticize Didio.
 
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See, that's exactly the kind of thing I'd love to get as a gift. Still waiting for someone to pick me up the Hardcover collection of Wednesday Comics as well.
 
I'm already picking up 22 of these #1s in Sept. so I can see this being a deal. Problem is I'm really not interested in about 20 or so of the titles.....
 
I don't care about the reboot. I'm more interested in seeing an ending for the current continuity.
 
I'm already picking up 22 of these #1s in Sept. so I can see this being a deal. Problem is I'm really not interested in about 20 or so of the titles.....
I think my numbers were similar. I'm picking up quite a few #1s to try, but only 5 books are on my current ongoing list for the restart. (Flash, Batman & Robin, Legion Lost, Legion of Super-Heroes, and Superman). I'll almost certainly wind up reading more, but I just don't know yet.
 
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My count was 22 titles with 11 maybes. At full price for 22 I can get all 33 at the delayed digital price, so that's the current plan.

Anyone else going digital?
 
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Nah, I'm getting 20+ issues and I like having them on paper. Just for the nostalgic kid in me. Also my kids love to read them, at home, on trips, etc.
 
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Why? Because they changed the number? They're not rebooting the series, they're continuing with the storylines they already had in place. Passing on continuing a series you love just because the number changed to get more new readers? I'm failing to see your point.
 
Isn't there a metric butt ton of rebooting and changing happening?

Like Supes not being married to Lois and such.
 
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Changes yes, which if that's what bothers you: Yeah I can see the complaint.

If you're refusing to continue buying/reading because the numbers on the cover changed, that, I take issue with.
 
Why? Because they changed the number? They're not rebooting the series, they're continuing with the storylines they already had in place. Passing on continuing a series you love just because the number changed to get more new readers? I'm failing to see your point.
No, because it's taking the "big changes! Nothing will ever be the same again! Your character will be forever changed!" on a grand scale. And I've been sick of that crap for near a decade now. I don't care about these big, sweeping changes anymore because eventually, someone will come along and decide they'll undo that because they don't like it and tell their own stories. I still love superheroes and a lot of these characters, but I'm tired of the need to create these big events.
 
Events sell comics....well, to the tiny comic buying fanbase that Marvel and DC have left anyway. The heyday of comics this ain't.
 
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Events are what has kept comics surviving during the hardest financial times they've had and you're hating on that?
 
The irony is that an event got me back into comics in the first place: The Death of Superman.

No, what bothers me is that some of the best, most well-known stories that are always high on people's recommendations...are not giant crossover events. The stuff that's actually sold in the long-term have been stuff that's mostly (or entirely) self-contained, sometimes even free of continuity in general. Batman: Year One, Dark Knight Returns, Long Halloween, All Star Superman, etc. Hell, look at all of Alan Moore's stuff. Swamp Thing, Watchmen, etc. Grant Morrison's run on Animal Man. James Robinson's Starman. Even if they reference events or even if it's an ongoing title that's in the middle of events (Brubaker's run on Captain America), they can still be read on their own without interruption.

The average reader picks up trades because they want just a full story. Doing these stupid events where not only does it change within six months so it doesn't matter, but where you need to read half a dozen other titles just to understand the full story is ridiculous.

Idiot fanboys who eat up this crap out of some psychological, Pokemon-like need to "get it all" is what's selling these comics. That's why comics are struggling: because the average person can't say "Huh, I want a good Superman story" and can't just pick up a random Superman issue because there's stupid amounts of continuity.

The problem is: continuity means crap. New creative teams ignore previous ones. Deaths are forgotten. Changes are forgotten. When they're not forgotten, someone just hits the reset button (this new DC, Crisis, Spider-Man's One More Day).

Yet, the stuff most enjoyed and recommended are the self-contained stuff that simply tells a story with a clear beginning and end. No spin-offs or crossovers (some sequels, like Long Halloween's Dark Victory) where you need to buy twenty other books to understand it. I'm not talking about an event that pops the sales chart for a month. I'm talking about long-term longevity where you the casual reader can pick up a book in the bookstore and go "Huh! This looks interesting!" without needing to buy six other books to get the full story.

The funniest thing is, as I mentioned at the beginning, The Death of Superman was what got me back into comics. Hell, it even had a brief crossover with the Justice League. But I read the trade, which got the whole story in one volume. Someone could still, today, read the Death, Funeral and Return trades and feel satisfied without being confused.

What maddens me the most is that, while these giant, mainstream mythological characters get all this goddamn spotlight, there's dozens (if not more) of comics out there that are so much better. They're creator-owned, self-contained and much more accessible. Invincible, Chew, Atomic Robo, Kabuki, Elephantmen, Northlanders, DMZ, Queen & Country, Fables, Y: The Last Man, Godland, The Unwritten, Criminal, Sleeper, Incognito, Walking Dead (though the TV series has REALLY given this a boost), Sweet Tooth, Astro City, The Goon, Parker. Cripes, the list goes on and on. These are seriously some of the absolute BEST comics out there, both in terms of writing and art, and yet this rebooted, mainstream crap gets the news just because it's DC hitting the reset button...again.

They did this in the 80s, already, after Crisis on Infinite Worlds. Silver Age elements and extended Superman and Batman families were wiped clean from existence. Yet, eventually, we got Supergirl, Superboy, Krypto, Batwoman, etc, all back. And it's going to happen again. Which means NONE OF THIS SHIT MATTERS.

Sorry for the rant (call it nerd rage if you will), but I'm just tired of it.
 
Yeah, I'm one of those trades people. I do not buy individual comics. I want, as you said, a whole story or at the very least some of one.
 
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