NOOOOOOOO! George Lucas is at it again.

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Yeah, no one's going to argue that midichlorians weren't stupid. That was definitely a crowning moment of dumb.

To be clear, though I've said it already, I'm not really trying to take the role of "prequel apologist". There were many, many bad things about the prequels. My point here, aside from trying to be an "OT realist" is that there are diamonds in the poo that I'd like to point out, and outside of analysis, I think a lot of the things that really got us into the series are still there in some form. Even if it's a mutated form.
 
I couldn't possibly disagree that the prequels were judged against the original trilogy. Obvsiously they were and that is a tremendous handicap right off the bat.
But they are awful on their own. Not the absolute worst movies I've ever seen. Probably not even in the top ten (bottom ten?), but certainly bad.
The fact that they're "Star Wars" movies is the only reason anyone still complains about them, if they weren't, they simply would have faded out of existence because nobody would have even bothered to see them.
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Yeah, no one's going to argue that midichlorians weren't stupid. That was definitely a crowning moment of dumb.

To be clear, though I've said it already, I'm not really trying to take the role of "prequel apologist". There were many, many bad things about the prequels. My point here, aside from trying to be an "OT realist" is that there are diamonds in the poo that I'd like to point out, and outside of analysis, I think a lot of the things that really got us into the series are still there in some form. Even if it's a mutated form.
That is a fantastic way to put it. And also true. No matter how bad the rest of the movies, I could definitely watch almost all of the lightsabre battles again and be overjoyed (Except for the Yoda one. What were they thinking?)
 
My issue is that its just really bland, weightless, sloppy CGI. Sure, nice texturing, nice lighting, but the animation is weightless, lifeless, and just so jarringly out of step with the way he moved before that you can't overlook it.
 
I thought Qui-Gon should have died in the 2nd episode instead of the first. There could have been focus on the relationship between him and Anakin as a father/son type role for two movies. His death would have had more impact on Anakin this way and could have set up some resentment between him and Obi-Wan with Obi being the new trainer. Having his death at the hands of Darth Maul would set up a moment to push Anakin's rage. In episode 3 Darth Maul should have died at the hands of Anakin as he begins his decent to the dark side.
I also felt like Anakin's slave life should have been horrendous. As it was he had a pretty good life being a slave. He should have been abused, beaten and felt like he was in a hopeless situation. When his mother negotiates his freedom he's torn because he knows the hell that she'll be left to. Instead we get him basically saying "smell ya later, mom" and didn't seem too upset to leave her behind. Then it took him a decade to decide to go back and check on her?
I do agree with checkeredhat's statement that if it wasn't for the Star Wars in the title nobody would even remember these movies.
 
Honestly, I don't think there was a reason to do a prequel trilogy at all. You could argue that prequels nemefitted the whole story, fine. Whatever. But a trilogy of them? The story they were telling could have been paced better if it were one or two movies long instead. There is a lot of fat to trim between the first and second films. And even still, they'd be telling the wrong part of the story anyway. It really isn't important or interesting to see how the Empire formed, its Vader's story we should have been getting. Yes they intersect, and the Empire is part of Vader's character. But the prequels spend far more time with the formation of the empire, when, as someone mentioned, they should have focused on the galaxy at war, and how that shaped Vader. If a third movie was done at all, it should have been entirely about the period between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope, the period where Vader goes around hunting Jedis and being a bad ass, while Obi Wan and Yoda do what they can to remain hidden while advising the rebellion.
 
Exact same thing can be said about all the lightsaber fighting in the original trilogy as well.

The Darth Maul lightsaber fight is the only one in the entire series that actually felt like a fight for someone's life.
 
Exact same thing can be said about all the lightsaber fighting in the original trilogy as well.

The Darth Maul lightsaber fight is the only one in the entire series that actually felt like a fight for someone's life.
I tend to forgive the Anakin Vs Obi Wan fight because the actual light saber battle was almost incidental to the philosophical battle they were having, but the rest of them? Yeah... they kinda sucked.
 
I liked most of them too. I prefer the originals because the fights actually felt like sword fights, while the prequels felt way to choreographed. However, they made up for that with having them much more high energy in the prequals, which made them enjoyable to watch regardless.
 
The funny part in this thread is where people think Lucas gives two shits about the story.

Lucas cars about the toys and the $$$
I think on some level Lucas cares (not that he has any skill with it) because he was very clear about certain moments he wanted, and feelings that were supposed to be going on the prequels, and he keeps tweaking the OT to suit his vision when he could just dole out different extras, or give people the unedited OT remastered and cleaned up.
 
Hahaha, no, that won't happen. That's his ace in the hole, for when he's milked as much money out of it that he can.
True. Someday he will put out, the Super Special Ultimate Perfection Complete Edition Original Trilogy.

It will be a pack of Star Wars VCR tapes found in an abandoned JCPenny stockroom by Lucas

It will cost 8,000 dollars.
 
I'd heard somewhere the original negatives don't exist anymore, only the re-re-re-fucked with special edition versions.
 
I'd heard somewhere the original negatives don't exist anymore, only the re-re-re-fucked with special edition versions.
No idea, but if it looks half as good as the BR new version I'm alright with it. Hell, I would watch those old VCR versions if I had them :p
 
I'd heard somewhere the original negatives don't exist anymore, only the re-re-re-fucked with special edition versions.
No, he remastered the originals back when he started working on the prequels. That is why there is such good copies floating around on VHS and Laser-disc from the mid 90's.
 

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My dad swore by the RCA Videodisc. We had like 4 players over the years. To this day, people look at me like I have two heads when I ask them about it.

Me: "Do you remember videodiscs?"
Them: "You mean Laserdiscs?"
Me: "No, the vinyl ones that looked like records. But you couldn't see that most of the time. They were in a big flat cartridge that you inserted into the player. You pulled the cartridge back out, and it left the disc in the player. You could only see the record if you forced it out."
Them: "That didn't exist."
Me: "No seriously. My dad still has a player and a massive library of movies that he picked up from a video store when they stopped carrying them."
Them: "Nope."

I think he thinks it's going to make a comeback.
 
Well at least someone regrets stupid changes: http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2011/09/spielberg-repents-for-replacing-those-et.php

George Lucas's Star Wars alteration is] a little hot topic, isn't it? (laughter) Let me put it this way. George does what he does cause there is only one George Lucas and thank god for that. He's the greatest person I've ever worked with as a filmmaker and collaborator, he is a conceptual genius, he puts together these amazing stories and he is great at what he does. And my feeling is he can do whatever he wants with his movies because those are his movies. We wouldn't have been raised with Star Wars or Indiana Jones had it not been for George, so what he does with his films is great. Speaking for myself, you know, I tried this once and I lived to regret it. Not because of fan outrage, but simply because I was disappointed in myself. I was overly sensitive to some of the criticism ET got from parent groups when it was first released in '82 having to do with Eliot saying "Penis Breath" or the guns...and then there were certain brilliant, but rough around the edges close ups of ET that I always felt, if technology ever evolves to the point where I can do some facial enhancement for ET, I'd like to. So I did an ET pass for like the third release of the movie and it was okay for a while, but then I realized that what I had done was I had robbed the people who loved ET of their memories of ET. And I regretted that. (massive applause) And the only contrition that I could possibly do because I felt bad about that was, the only contrition that I really performed was when ET came out on DVD for the first time, I asked Universal, I didn't ask Universal, I said you're gonna do this, when you release this on DVD you have to come out for the same price of one DVD, you have to put two movies in the box and one movie will be the 1982 version and the other will be the digitally enhanced version. I'd like to ask you this, let's do a little poll here, cause I know we're coming out with the blu-ray of ET, if I just came out with one ET on blu-ray, 1982, would anyone object to that? (loud NO from the audience). Okay then, so be it. (huge applause)
 
The first One Star review for the complete saga blu-ray on Amazon honestly changed my mind on the subject and I will not be buying these. This is how you make a valid argument:

These latest scene changes are the final proof that George Lucas has lost his mind, however they are NOT the main reason why I just cancelled my blu-ray pre-order. I had been excitedly counting down the days until this release, but this time George/Lucasfilm has given the whole Star Wars community the middle finger by not correcting many of the problems (color) which plagued the 2004 release. This blu-ray has virtually all of the same issues as the DVD. I'm talking about Vader's bubblegum pink lightsaber, the super high orange or purple explosions opposed to the more realistic white hot/yelow effects. These were especially noticable during the Battle of Yavin, Tantive IV shootout, and the carbon freezing chamber duel. They stuck out to the point to where they were almost distracting. After seeing the prequels, it's hard enough to still view Vader as that ultimate bad a** villian I feared in my childhood, but it's now near impossible to do it when he's chasing after Luke with a pink lightsaber.

Lucasfilm has been made well aware of these issues thru complaints made by ticked off fans since the DVD launched 7 years ago. Now in the last year of hyping up of this Blu Ray release, Lucasfilm has assured us Star Wars fans that our complaints had been heard and addressed in this release, the Blu-Ray would NOT have the same color and audio problems as the dvd's, they went back to the original negatives and spent 3 years fixing these particular problems, they manually went thru frame by frame in the problem scenes fixing and making other color corrections to bring them close again to the original theatrical versions.

Heck Starwars.com displays a screenshot of Luke's fixed blue lightsaber on the Millenium Falcon in ANH, boasting about how they went back and fixed these problems. I have seen the Blu-Rays myself and I can confirm this is NOT the case!! Yes it is fixed for that particular frame and a few other frames, but the next shot of the same scene his lightsaber shifts back to green, just like in the screwed up dvd release, then goes to bright white, then back to a very pale blue color. Yes they fixed ONLY a small portion of that scene, left the rest of it untouched with the wrong color, while implying that the whole thing has been corrected. The lightsaber scenes in the other movies, Empire Strikes Back & Return of the Jedi, are practically UNTOUCHED WITH THE SAME color and timing problems that the DVD's have. It's like Lucasfilm is only willing to put in a half a** effort in anything they release anymore.... and why not?? If it says Star Wars on the box it's going to sell.

Now for the changed scenes:

A New Hope

- When R2-D2 hides in the shallow cave from the Sand People, there have been CGI rocks added in. The new rocks now cover up half of R2's body which makes him hidden better. However when he leaves a few seconds later, he just pulls forward and the rocks simply disappear!! Did they just forget to alter that scene too?

- Obi-Wan's introduction, he scares the Sand People away with a Krayt dragon call, has been redone again and now sounds like a jr. high kid making funny noises in Windows sound recorder. When I first heard it I thought no way, it's someone pulling a joke. It's sounds so bad and is so out of place, they made absolutely no effort to mix it in at all. You'll just have to hear it for yourselves... but sadly it's real. Unbelievable

- Greedo still shoots first. It is alot better than the DVD version.


Empire Strikes Back

- Wampa's arm in fixed. Looks good about time.


Return of the Jedi

- Jabba's Palace has a bigger door... ok?

- New CGI alien walking around in Jabba's palace as everyone sleeps. Poorly done and sticks out worse than a sore thumb... looks like Sebulba from Episode I?

- Ewok's now have CGI eyelids, blink, and sometimes make a clicking noise when they do. (maybe a tribute to Muppets/Fraggle Rock?)

- Darth Vader now screams "Noooooooooooo" as he picks up and throws the emperor, much like the way he does at the end of Episode III.... now twice!! This ruins a great and one of my favorite scenes. It's bad. The voice doesn't even sound like Vader's and it's just lazily pasted over the rest of the audio. Lucasfilm didn't make the effort to blend in at all..... what are they thinking????? If you really feel you need to add something like that, at least attempt a decent job.

This has just gotten laughingly ridiculous. There is no excuse this time for ignoring what the fans want and taking away more of the original magic the movies had back in the 70's and 80's. Besides the deleted scenes, this is not a quality release. I've cancelled my pre-order and I'm done with anything new to do with Star Wars. This includes the new upcoming 3d versions which will no doubt have even more stupid changes and conveniently opens the door for yet another Blu-Ray release. I have my unaltered copies on my bonus DVD and that's all I need.

I urge anyone who feels the same way to NOT fill the pockets of George Lucas anymore!! I don't understand how they think it's necessary tinker with new stupid voiceovers and Ewok eyes, but not fix the more obvious and distracting problems of this and the previous release. All the while Lucasfilm insinuated, just as recently as last week, that they had indeed corrected those problems..... THAT IS FALSE ADVERTISING!! They also claimed to have exhaustively sent this set thru 3 levels of quality control which is either another lie or Lucas has the most elite team of a** kissers ever assembled. I've defended the first two prequels, the Special Editions, and George Lucas himself over the years, but I'm done. For the first time in 25 years they will not be getting another dime of my money.

***UPDATE 9/9/11***

I've viewed the bonus content which the deleted scenes are no doubt the best of all the extra features. As for the Prequels, the previously released DVD deleted scenes are NOT included, so hang onto your old discs. The older movies include scenes that have been Star Wars folklore for years. Some are good and the quality is what you expect for deleted scenes cut over 30 years ago. However some of scenes I particularly had interest in, seem to be made from degraded alternate shots... since there are productions stills and video snippets that Lucasfilm released, over the years in different supplemental products, showing the same scenes taken from higher quality sources. On another note, the deleted ESB content shows the scenes leading up to and the aftermath of the wampa fight with rebel soldiers in Echo Base. The battle itself is completely omitted in this release, which is a shame since the battle scene was filmed and possibly finalized before it was cut from the final release. Luckily there are various stills of this scene still floating around and it was covered by Star Wars Insider years back. The rest of the content is very good and it's great finally seeing some of the other scenes... however after viewing I get the impression Lucasfilm is purposely holding back some of these materials for a future release.
 
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