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Raemon777

I laughed out loud twice at this one (once at "'Don't worry I've gone to fix everything' OH NO!!!", and then again at Francis standing out there with the boom box.
 
jwhouk

jwhouk

The sheer ridiculousness of an AARP-eligible lady playing Magic: The Gathering against a late-teenage kid does make it funny. But not that much.
 
Piotyr

Piotyr

mr_thehun said:
what the fuck is this shit?

When PA does political cartoons its hilarious because they know they are drawing something retarded. There isn't any of that hipster irony in here.
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Plus, when you're essentially making the same point in about 20 different strips, maybe you can just let the point be.
 
Reverent-one

Reverent-one

Did everyone miss the aritcle Kurtz linked to? This has nothing to do with the Print vs Webcomic debate, but the idea that streamlined technology has made it harder for cartoonists to represent things, since, for example, the iPhone is less visually distinct than older types of phones.
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I wonder how other cartoonists feel when Kurtz decides to speak for them without being invited to.
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I don't know, but it's a good thing he made it clear he was speaking for himself, isn't it?
 
Dave

Dave

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Reverent-one said:
Did everyone miss the aritcle Kurtz linked to? This has nothing to do with the Print vs Webcomic debate, but the idea that streamlined technology has made it harder for cartoonists to represent things, since, for example, the iPhone is less visually distinct than older types of phones.

I don't know, but it's a good thing he made it clear he was speaking for himself, isn't it?
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Shhh! You'll break their pitchforks with your logic!
 
GasBandit

GasBandit

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I posted my last post before he explained what the comic was about. It's still a shitty comic and a shitty idea for a comic, further exemplified by how unclear the subject matter was.
 
drifter

drifter

Reverent-one said:
Did everyone miss the aritcle Kurtz linked to? This has nothing to do with the Print vs Webcomic debate, but the idea that streamlined technology has made it harder for cartoonists to represent things, since, for example, the iPhone is less visually distinct than older types of phones.

I don't know, but it's a good thing he made it clear he was speaking for himself, isn't it?
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No, I read the article; the comic is still garbage. And his rant seems ill-considered, contradictory and kind of hypocritical.

Also, tenant? You're killing me, Smalls.
 
Hylian

Hylian

I agree with Gusto.

The comic was pretty unclear on what point it was trying to get across and even if you did get the point it just wasn't funny
 
Gusto

Gusto

If he wants to post in his blog about these things, or go on a Twitter crusade, that's fine.

But I think using the strip as a soapbox and basically skipping a real update* is doing a disservice to thousands of fans who come to his site every day expecting a fun comic about the PVP staff, not a pissy vague "political" comic about something they probably don't give two shits about.

*note: this isn't me getting upset about some perceived lack of an update



That all said, I agree with Kurtz's point. If you can't be bothered to learn to draw a flat screen TV or smartphone, then you're probably not in the right field of work.
 
Reverent-one

Reverent-one

drifter said:
No, I read the article; the comic is still garbage. And his rant seems ill-considered, contradictory and kind of hypocritical.
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That's fine, I never argued about it's quality, I was just pointing out that he wasn't getting on the Newspapers vs Webcomics soapbox he has before.

Gusto said:
But I think using the strip as a soapbox and basically skipping a real update* is doing a disservice to thousands of fans who come to his site every day expecting a fun comic about the PVP staff, not a pissy vague "political" comic about something they probably don't give two shits about.

*note: this isn't me getting upset about some perceived lack of an update
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That's a bit unfair, by that logic doing a comic about Lolbat is also disservice to...hmmm.
 
Ravenpoe

Ravenpoe

The only issue I have with the comic, aside from it not bring funny, is that it makes absolutely no sense without that blog post. Anyone reading this in the archive will wonder what the fuck is going on.
 
Gusto

Gusto

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It's cool that you're a fan, Revenant. I am too, when he's writing jokes that belong in his comic.

I'm not even saying all I want is video game jokes! I just want the comics to remain about the cast, not spin-off superheroes, and not Kurtz's rage-of-the-week.
 
Reverent-one

Reverent-one

Gusto said:
:awesome:
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It's cool that you're a fan, Revenant. I am too, when he's writing jokes that belong in his comic.

I'm not even saying all I want is video game jokes! I just want the comics to remain about the cast, not spin-off superheroes, and not Kurtz's rage-of-the-week.
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I don't disagree, and I'm not some huge, "Scott Kurtz can do no wrong" fan either. Used to be a bigger fan (back in the Image forums days), but these days PVP is a lot more hit-or-miss. I just think if you're going to give someone crap, do it for something they deserve getting it for. In this case, giving Scott crap for going on another "Newspapers suck" rant isn't something he deserved. The other points people have brought up though? Totally valid, go wild.

Dang, 3 posts in one day, what's wrong with my lurking device? It must be malfunctioning.
 
drifter

drifter

Gusto said:
That all said, I agree with Kurtz's point. If you can't be bothered to learn to draw a flat screen TV or smartphone, then you're probably not in the right field of work.
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I don't think Kurtz actually read that article. It's not some whingy diatribe against representing new technology; it points out how illustrators need to adapt and come up with new contextual clues to make new technology recognizable as such... which is basically what Kurtz also says. Maybe next time don't just read the first paragraph, Scott.
 
blotsfan

blotsfan

Remember that comic when francis shows Brent a comic, but in order to get it, he has to read a two page article? I'd link to that if I felt like going through the archive.
 
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