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Deleted the original thread and now posting as myself. Rape kit came back. DNA and physical evidence shows that - while he's innocent until proven guilty - he more than likely committed the act.

Holy shit.
 
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Chibibar

I'm going to show my ignorance here but what do rape kits look for?
That is a good question.

I wonder if rough sex show "false positive" (I am with Emrys. I have no idea what it test)
 

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I'm going to show my ignorance here but what do rape kits look for?
You know, I'm not sure. To Wikipedia!!

As to the rest, I have no more information. I don't think this was even remotely consensual and I'm not about to ascribe any sort of motive to it. I do know that he spent a fair amount of time alone with my daughter and that's kinda frightening.
 
Fluids, of all sorts, from various parts of the body. Debris, dna and otherwise from under the fingertips. Hairs and fibers from the victim and the victim's clothes.
 

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Although a rape kit's contents may vary by location, it may include:
  • Instructions
  • Bags and sheets for evidence collection
  • Swabs for collecting fluids from the lips, cheeks, thighs, vagina, anus, and buttocks
  • Blood collection devices
  • Comb used to collect hair and fiber from the victim’s body
  • Clear glass slides
  • Envelopes for preserving the victim’s clothes, head hair, pubic hair, and blood samples
  • Nail pick for scraping debris from beneath the nails
  • White sheets to catch physical evidence stripped from the body
  • Documentation forms
  • Labels
 

Dave

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For the record now that there's evidence, I'm totally in the corner of Victim (no longer Accuser). I know I seemed to be reserving judgment before as it wouldn't have been fair to brand either one, but now that we know more Victim deserves all the help and support she can get.

Attacker needs help as well, but if his life is ruined he can't blame anyone else. Victim wasn't given that choice.
 
So, unless he confesses, this might come down to "he said, she said".

I hope this doesn't get as nasty as it looks it might. Good luck to you and your family.
 

Dave

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So, unless he confesses, this might come down to "he said, she said".

I hope this doesn't get as nasty as it looks it might. Good luck to you and your family.
No, I don't think so. I think it's going to be, "She said this. He denied it. Now we have proof that something happened." She has been physically and mentally attacked and traumatized. He was acting like nothing was particularly amiss.
 
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Chibibar

Ah. Well, until you get more info (i.e. both side of the stories) it will be hard to say if it is rough sex (I met some people who are into that) or it is rape (which is equally bad)
 
Okay, I'm not a law enforcement officer, but based on that Wikipedia list it doesn't necessarily prove it was rape. The rape kit appears to be able to prove intercourse occurred, but how does it show it was non-consensual? For example, the guy's skin cells underneath her fingernails, there are lots of ways they could have ended up there, either during intercourse or simply during horseplay between cousins.
 

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Actually, I have one question. When did this happen? I thought is took a few days for a DNA test to come back.
That's really a good question. The alleged incident took place within the last few days. Not sure exactly when. By the way, know that I'm going completely off information given to me by others so I can't 100% confirm its veracity.
 
Okay, I'm not a law enforcement officer, but based on that Wikipedia list it doesn't necessarily prove it was rape. The rape kit appears to be able to prove intercourse occurred, but how does it show it was non-consensual? For example, the guy's skin cells underneath her fingernails, there are lots of ways they could have ended up there, either during intercourse or simply during horseplay between cousins.
The rape kit also looks for the, uh, angle of penetration. Apparently is the vagina isn't receptive to sexual activity and it is forced anyway there can be substantial damage done and the angle changes.

That is what a family member with some very unfortunate first hand experience has told me.
 
I'm apparently missing background/context. Apparently something...very unfortunate...happened to someone known, and was caused by someone else known.
 
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I'm apparently missing background/context. Apparently something...very unfortunate...happened to someone known, and was caused by someone else known.
It is unfortunate event :( all parties need help badly, but if it is anything like Texas Law, the guy's life is F-up for the rest of his life if it goes to trial and convicted.
 
The rape kit also looks for the, uh, angle of penetration. Apparently is the vagina isn't receptive to sexual activity and it is forced anyway there can be substantial damage done and the angle changes.

That is what a family member with some very unfortunate first hand experience has told me.
I did not know that. Thanks for the info.

Also, sorry for your family member. Wouldn't wish anything like this on anyone.
 
I did not know that. Thanks for the info.

Also, sorry for your family member. Wouldn't wish anything like this on anyone.
I didn't find out about it know about it until a few years ago when her daughter faked being raped. It really was a shock.

The bigger shock came to me when Dad informed me that her daughter..well..she is the daughter of the result of the incident. I really wish I didn't know these facts.
 
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Chibibar

I didn't find out about it know about it until a few years ago when her daughter faked being raped. It really was a shock.

The bigger shock came to me when Dad informed me that her daughter..well..she is the daughter of the result of the incident. I really wish I didn't know these facts.
There are times I wish there was a "flashy thing" from MIB that could erase some memory.
 

Dave

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I didn't find out about it know about it until a few years ago when her daughter faked being raped. It really was a shock.

The bigger shock came to me when Dad informed me that her daughter..well..she is the daughter of the result of the incident. I really wish I didn't know these facts.
Since she told someone and went to the hospital quickly she was able to be given Plan B as well as what they called the "Rape Cocktail" which is a variety of medicines to protect against various and several STDs.

And I found out there is no DNA but there is a lot of physical evidence and nobody else had access.

For those not in the "know", 16 year old nephew raped 15 year old niece (different parents - they were cousins, not siblings).
 
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Since she told someone and went to the hospital quickly she was able to be given Plan B as well as what they called the "Rape Cocktail" which is a variety of medicines to protect against various and several STDs.

And I found out there is no DNA but there is a lot of physical evidence and nobody else had access.

For those not in the "know", 16 year old nephew raped 15 year old niece (different parents - they were cousins, not siblings).
2nd cousins since the 1st cousin was the parents.
 
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They are direct cousins. Her mom is his dad's sister.
Oh. I got confuse then cause initially I thought it was your wife's cousin's daughter and another cousin's son.

I'm so confuse.
 
So if there was evidence of physical violence/forceful entry then yeah, he'll get what's coming to him.

If there there's only dna evidence that sex happened? I wouldn't buy it. It would have made sence he would have wanted to lie about it because of the direct relation.
 
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So if there was evidence of physical violence/forceful entry then yeah, he'll get what's coming to him.

If there there's only dna evidence that sex happened? I wouldn't buy it. It would have made sence he would have wanted to lie about it because of the direct relation.
Well, I feel sorry for the guy in more ways than one. In most states, stuff like this the guy is pretty much screwed (I double check some places you get on the list even when you are NOT convicted)
 
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