Anon is just a bunch of internet idiots in Guy Fawkes masks with signs...

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AshburnerX

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Tress said:
Noooooo, they're comparing Guy Fawkes to McVeigh and then questioning whether or not protesters understand the symbol they're using. It's not quite comparing protesters to McVeigh.
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It actually makes me question whether or not the media understands the symbol they are using, as while it's true that Guy Fawkes was an anarchist bomber, the symbol has an entirely different meaning when you take into account it's history with V for Vendetta (mainly the movie) and it's use by Anonymous. Symbols evolve over time... the swastika used to be a universal symbol of peace and unity, but once it was co-opted by the Nazis it became shorthand for hatred and violence.

Basically what I'm saying is that Guy Fawkes no longer owns his face and it now belongs to those who wish to protect their identity while showing unity for a cause. You can blame Hollywood.
 
Tress

Tress

AshburnerX said:
It actually makes me question whether or not the media understands the symbol they are using, as while it's true that Guy Fawkes was an anarchist bomber, the symbol has an entirely different meaning when you take into account it's history with V for Vendetta (mainly the movie) and it's use by Anonymous. Symbols evolve over time... the swastika used to be a universal symbol of peace and unity, but once it was co-opted by the Nazis it became shorthand for hatred and violence.

Basically what I'm saying is that Guy Fawkes no longer owns his face and it now belongs to those who wish to protect their identity while showing unity for a cause. You can blame Hollywood.
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That's a valid argument. I'm just saying that MSNBC did not equate OWS protesters with Timothy McVeigh.
 
GasBandit

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AshburnerX said:
It actually makes me question whether or not the media understands the symbol they are using, as while it's true that Guy Fawkes was an anarchist bomber, the symbol has an entirely different meaning when you take into account it's history with V for Vendetta (mainly the movie) and it's use by Anonymous. Symbols evolve over time... the swastika used to be a universal symbol of peace and unity, but once it was co-opted by the Nazis it became shorthand for hatred and violence.

Basically what I'm saying is that Guy Fawkes no longer owns his face and it now belongs to those who wish to protect their identity while showing unity for a cause. You can blame Hollywood.
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Sort of how like Che Guevara's face now means "I shop at the mall."
 
AshburnerX

AshburnerX

sixpackshaker said:
Well? Why don't you go after them for that matter?

Anyway...

it is silly to think that a Para-military-Death-Squad-Narco-Cartel will have a web-presence that anyone could hack to begin with...
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Not really... in the end, it's gotta be lead by a few people and they have to be laundering their profits somehow. Considering the sheer amount of area you need to cover to run a successful drug enterprise, it's entirely likely they are using text messages and emails to communicate at the very least... and they are very clever about the methods they use to communicate. For instance, Second Life is now monitored by the CIA because gangs were using it to discuss business.
 
strawman

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People in criminal organizations need to communicate and pass information between each other. Phones can be traced and tapped just a bit more easily than internet packets right now, so while they may not have a web "presence" they certainly use the internet for at least some of their operations.

A diligent hacker, focusing solely on them, should be able to find out some useful information that would put them at risk.

What's interesting is that the zetas complied - with a threat, sure, but the question is will they change their operations in order to avoid tangling with anonymous in the future, or to get rid of those risks that were possibly exposed so the information anonymous may have becomes obsolete. I doubt they are going to be able to get rid of enough of anonymous to ensure that the information they claim they have becomes extinct.

Perhaps they let the guy go simply to give them more time to figure out who's behind the threats - they have hackers, and I'm sure they tapped as much of the guy they released as they could - computers, phones, family's computers, ISP, etc. They don't have just police and cabbies in their pay/pocket.
 
SpecialKO

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stienman said:
Perhaps they let the guy go simply to give them more time to figure out who's behind the threats - they have hackers, and I'm sure they tapped as much of the guy they released as they could - computers, phones, family's computers, ISP, etc. They don't have just police and cabbies in their pay/pocket.
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This is probably it. While the Zetas could likely survive whatever Anon could release, why take the chance when you have billions of dollars? Release the guy...and start looking for the Anons or at least trying to figure out whether you have any areas of vulnerability.

fade said:
Back when he was still cool.
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Fuck you! Antonio Banderas is still...still...:(
 
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