BananaHands and ElJuski Judge Your Pop Culture

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I think Citizen Kane is a good movie solely from the perspective of watching how cinema developed. Without any context it is pretty boring by today's standards and the mystery that drives the movie is either 1 already known before the person watches it or 2 not interesting enough to keep someone intellectually involved in the story.
 
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I want to get the Criterion version of Godzilla (thought they would call it Gojira like the previous dvd releases, so as not to be confused by the version with Steve Martin, but it turns out that's on there too!).

Also I enjoyed Parks & Recreation the first time I saw it. When it was based around a small paper distribution company in Scranton, PA.
 
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makare said:
I think Citizen Kane is a good movie solely from the perspective of watching how cinema developed. Without any context it is pretty boring by today's standards and the mystery that drives the movie is either 1 already known before the person watches it or 2 not interesting enough to keep someone intellectually involved in the story.
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Honestly, I've heard that excuse and if you ask me that's pretty bull. There are plenty of movies made around that time that despite being well permeated in pop culture are still excellent films to see for the first time and to hold audience attention. Casablanca springs to my head, as it's also in the conversations of greatest movie ever.
Being first or revolutionary doesn't automatically make something good. It makes it first and revolutionary.
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Charlie Don't Surf said:
If you think Parks & Rec is just like the office, you must have only seen the first 2-3 episodes
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Just the Pilot, and there was absolutely nothing there that made me want to keep watching.
 
Officer_Charon

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I don't know if I just caught a shitty ep of It's Always Sunny in Cleveland or what, but I watched about 10 minutes and decided that I couldn't tolerate the sheer stupidity of the characters. Did I catch 'em at a bad time, or what?


Bear in mind, this is coming from a guy who used to enjoy episodes of Beavis and Butthead, but can't tolerate South Park in more than 1 or 2 episodes at a time.
 
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That a movie needs context to be good. It one of my annoyances in media, along side with you have to watch over half a season before you can say you like a tv show.

More of a general Citizen Kane rant than anything in particular at you, I'm more frazzled than usual, it's the last week of classes before my Graduation.
 
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That's fine. I understand believe me. But to be clear when I mean context I don't mean the time period I mean it's place in cinematic history. At the time it was doing things no one else had done that by now seem trite and boring. So what made the movie good the novelty of it has become old hat. I don't think it is particularly a good movie but at the time it was definitely an innovative movie.
 
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Officer_Charon said:
I don't know if I just caught a shitty ep of It's Always Sunny in Cleveland or what, but I watched about 10 minutes and decided that I couldn't tolerate the sheer stupidity of the characters. Did I catch 'em at a bad time, or what?


Bear in mind, this is coming from a guy who used to enjoy episodes of Beavis and Butthead, but can't tolerate South Park in more than 1 or 2 episodes at a time.
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That's what I love about It's Always Sunny. The characters are just about the worst people on Earth and completely oblivious to it.

And South Park is one of the last shows on Earth I would call dumb. Often puerile, yeah. Dumb, never.
 
Charlie Don't Surf

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I liked Always Sunny better when it was called Seinfeld, heh


kidding, I love both. But yeah, it's a show about nothing other than awful people doing awful things that sometimes overlap
 
Shegokigo

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I truly miss Seinfeld, Cheers, Fraiser, Married With Children, Golden Girls (though Hot in Cleaveland is a nice homage), and a bunch of other awesome sitcoms from the 80s-90s.
 
ElJuski

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Shegokigo said:
Not everyone finds Brazil and Citizen Cane to be compelling or entertaining movies either.
As for "the heavy-lifters", that's mostly opinion, even when shows win awards, it's usually politcal BS from mostly rigged awards shows.
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I don't follow awards shows. I follow the opinions of people who are heavily vested in pop culture as an art. Oscar winners hardly ever meet my expectations for amazing work.
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Charlie Don't Surf said:
I liked Always Sunny better when it was called Seinfeld, heh
kidding, I love both. But yeah, it's a show about nothing other than awful people doing awful things that sometimes overlap
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I liked that show when I was in college...but all the shouting got boring after a while. Ask Bananahands, he saw it happen.
 
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I thought it was weird how different the character was between shows. Cheers Frasier would probably beat up Frasier Frasier.
 
Charlie Don't Surf

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And I actually am pretty sure I've seen every episode of each show 2 times at least thanks to syndication and Nick @ Nite. Maybe not the last couple seasons of Frasier.
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I thought it was weird how different the character was between shows. Cheers Frasier would probably beat up Frasier Frasier.
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I chalked it up to A) being around his dad and B) having to be some smidge more likeable since the show's named after ya
 
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Charlie Don't Surf said:
CONTROVERSIAL OPINION: Frasier is better than Cheers
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Been rewatching both shows on Netflix and I think I have to agree. First season of Cheers bounces between average and good, it took them a while to figure it out. Frasier really got to benefit from 11 years of Cheers.
 
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Frankie Williamson said:
I thought it was weird how different the character was between shows. Cheers Frasier would probably beat up Frasier Frasier.
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I actually felt that was fairly justified - a lot of a person's behavior is determined by their situation in life. In Boston, Dr. Frasier Crane was married to a cold but beautiful colleague, had a rather successful practice, and spent most of his free time in a working class bar drinking generic beer, rubbing elbows with people he could look down on in a friendly manner.

In Seattle, he was a radio talk show host, divorced, living with his dad and having his even less manly brother as his closest companion. He spent time at a cozy little cafe drinking gourmet coffee from demitasse, often alone.

Cheers Frasier was successful, more than most of the people around him. In Frasier, he wasn't - he wasn't doing poorly by any means, but most of his social circle was comparable to him. Aside from the fact that he was a divorced dad who rarely got to see his kid, well, I'm guessing that effected him and he dealt with it by becoming more introverted and elitist.
 
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Charlie Don't Surf said:
I thought Frasier was all pretty good until Niles and Daphne started dating.

And Kirsty Allen was no Diane, Woody was no Coach
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See I prefer Rebecca to Diane, both Woody and Coach were great, I might give the edge to Woody though, just because he had the benefit of being on the show for so much longer (obviously no fault of Nicholas Colasanto).
 
Shegokigo

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Charlie Don't Surf said:
I thought Frasier was all pretty good until Niles and Daphne started dating.

And Kirsty Allen was no Diane, Woody was no Coach
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Diane was superior but Woody's antics and Kirsty Allen/Ted Danson's relationship is what blew Cheers up.
So you partially agreed with my statement.

Fraiser - Good to progressively bad.
Cheers - Good to progressively better.
 
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makare said:
That's fine. I understand believe me. But to be clear when I mean context I don't mean the time period I mean it's place in cinematic history. At the time it was doing things no one else had done that by now seem trite and boring. So what made the movie good the novelty of it has become old hat. I don't think it is particularly a good movie but at the time it was definitely an innovative movie.
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TL;DR version: Seinfeld Is Unfunny!
 
ElJuski

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BananaHands said:
Couldn't agree more. Same thing with the Office. I actually enjoyed that show until Jim and Pam started dating.
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I thought to myself, FINALLY! But then groaned when they needed to shoehorn everyone else's relationship in its place. Still think that show should have ended with Michael Scott boarding that plane.
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ugh, tvtropes. It's just aspergers on an internet-wide scale.
 
Shegokigo

Shegokigo

I just want one that I can call up two-three times a week, go over for a few hours and then leave without any drama attached. Is that so much to ask?

inb4youandtherestofthemalestraightpopulation

Sad part is I had the perfect set-up and f'ed it up royal.
 
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makare

There were some really great moments on Seinfeld but over all I never got into it. It isn't that I don't like the show it just was never an "oh my god it is so hilaaarious!" type thing for me. But maybe I was too young to enjoy it. I dunno.
 
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