[News] The Trayvon Martin Discussion Thread

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Soliloquy

makare said:
Do I think she should be able to carry a gun? sure
do I think it is the right move? absolutely not.


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Fair enough. And you're right to be concerned about having guns in the house with children -- statistically, gun accidents happen a lot more often than people successfully defending themselves using guns. Too many people buy guns with the mindset that "guns mean safety" (or worse, "guns mean I'm cool!") without taking into consideration the fact that guns are extremely dangerous.

I guess the question is whether that's an issue of owning guns, or whether it's an issue of lax gun safety. A gun accident is unlikely to happen if the weapon is unloaded and locked in a gun safe with the key kept elsewhere. I haven't heard of any accidents that have happened when those rules were followed.
 
Bowielee

Bowielee

I'm just going to put out there that the 2nd Amendment is an antiquated addition to the constitution and was only relevent when we had a real threat of not having a standing militia. It has been whored out to be something that it never really was by the absolutely insane NRA.

This is coming from someone who's dad was a cop and a hunter and has been around guns most his life. I even used to enjoy going to the shooting range. I still think the whole "if guns are made criminal, only criminals will have guns" and "guns don't kill people, people kill people" are some of the most stupid arguments ever put forth.

And that's pretty much all I have to say about that.
 
North_Ranger

North_Ranger

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Frank said:
https://twitter.com/#!/GeraldoRivera

Well, you guys are all idiots. It wasn't guns or racists but the hoodie that caused this whole tragedy.
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Oh come on... That's just a helluva stupid argument.

By that reasoning, I should have been arrested every time when on weekend leave back when I was doing my armed service. Our hair was shaved off, so as a tall, broad-shouldered, twenty-something white man I should have been a prime target in suspicion of racist crimes. Skinheads, you know?
 
CrimsonSoul

CrimsonSoul

Bowielee said:
I'm just going to put out there that the 2nd Amendment is an antiquated addition to the constitution and was only relevent when we had a real threat of not having a standing militia. It has been whored out to be something that it never really was by the absolutely insane NRA.

This is coming from someone who's dad was a cop and a hunter and has been around guns most his life. I even used to enjoy going to the shooting range. I still think the whole "if guns are made criminal, only criminals will have guns" and "guns don't kill people, people kill people" are some of the most stupid arguments ever put forth.

And that's pretty much all I have to say about that.
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I have to disagree, the point of the 2A is so that the people don't have to fear an oppressing government like England for example. The 2A is there so that the government fears the people.
 
Yoshimickster

Yoshimickster

Fucking psychos in this world man. Just about anyone can use the "self-defense" excuse nowadays. And he may WALK just because of some racist incompetent acist ass-hole cop. This fuckin' country. I couldn't even get past number 17, it was just too friggin scary and real man.
 
Bones

Bones

I still feel like this whole deal hinges on the fact that gentleman in question exited his SUV to confront the victim. He was instructed not to, but decided to anyways.
 
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SeraRelm

I'm only offering this as another point of view, not saying I agree or disagree with it: On the opposite side of the spectrum, what if this neighborhood watch guy got shot and killed for checking out something suspicious without having a firearm for protection? I'm not going to defend someone killing another, but having the firearm if you're trying to protect your community doesn't seem like a bad idea. Shitty situation with a shitty outcome, regardless of who was involved.

This, however, I agree with.
Soliloquy said:
What worries me is this, though... the guy may very well have an adequate enough legal excuse to not be arrested, no matter how BS his case may be, so even the federal investigation might not end in his arrest. And if that happens... well, things might end badly.
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Though I'd say "worse" instead of "badly".
 
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SeraRelm

And Charlie Don't Surf, you definitely have a way of making people not want to agree with your point of view just because of the self righteous condescension you convey (purposefully or not) in your posts.
 
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That's what I meant when I said that it's not what's said, it's how it's said. Many times in history it has been pointed out that the quickest way to start an unwinnable argument is to tell your opponent he or she is wrong. They will immediately take the defensive, even if they originally agreed with you.
 
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SeraRelm

fade said:
That's what I meant when I said that it's not what's said, it's how it's said. Many times in history it has been pointed out that the quickest way to start an unwinnable argument is to tell your opponent he or she is wrong. They will immediately take the defensive, even if they originally agreed with you.
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You're wrong!
 
Krisken

Krisken

CrimsonSoul said:
My wife says quite a bit live in West Bend because of how close it is to Milwaukee
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Unless there has been a huge migration in the last 10 years and they're afraid to go outside, being black is still a the smallest minority in the city. It's not called "White Bend" for nothing. (besides, I DO live here, ya know)
 
ElJuski

ElJuski

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The community watch guy having a gun isn't the problem; having what looks like a deranged person wielding a gun--especially if he already has a prejudice--against an innocent kid (even if he's wearing a hoodie, lol Geraldo) is the problem.

This country needs a massive attitude adjustment towards culture, race, and guns. And it's fascinating to see this all play out on a grand media scale. Once again, the latent prejudices, fears and anxieties concerning race relations comes out, and it's ugly, ugly, ugly.

Knee-jerk reactions won't save shit though.
 
checkeredhat

checkeredhat

It wasn't until I read this story elsewhere that I decided to open this thread. I usually stay out of these threads because the arguments over politics just get too heated and devolve into flamewars too quickly and too often.
I don't really have much to add to the conversation. It doesn't look like anyone does, really. The whole story is just repulsive.

I just popped in to point out that Fox News sold hoodies on its website, and they were taken off shortly after Giraldo made his comments.

No, I don't peruse Fox News for merch.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/fox-news-irresponsibly-selling-dangerous-hoodies
 
Krisken

Krisken

Seems most people agree that knee-jerk reactions are bad and would only cause problems in the future regarding gun laws, but something should be done to prevent things like this in the future. Pretty reasonable, I think.
 
Bones

Bones

shocking news today, as one of savannah's finest was accidentally shot to death by a vigilante who thought he was a criminal because of his hoodie. The truly unfortunate part was that the police officer himself was investigating reports of said vigilante following youths in hoodies.
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CrimsonSoul

CrimsonSoul

Krisken said:
Seems most people agree that knee-jerk reactions are bad and would only cause problems in the future regarding gun laws, but something should be done to prevent things like this in the future. Pretty reasonable, I think.
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Yeah there's "stand your ground" and then there's "stalk the guy confront him then kill him and claim self defense"
 
Adam

Adam

Thread seems to have died a bit as more details have emerged conflicting with the title of this thread.
 
Adam

Adam

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=16000239

Tl dr version

Zimmerman attacked by Martin
Head smashed into ground
Eye witness corroborates Zimmerman
Injuries to Zimmerman consistent with account
Martin suspended for mj possession
Has prior suspensions for assault

I guess waiting for facts is so unhip nowadays.
 
Charlie Don't Surf

Charlie Don't Surf

If Zimmerman ran up to him after the police told him to stop, pointed a gun in his face, then got pushed down, THEN shot him, he's still a piece of shit gun-nut vigilante murderer.

Probably still a racist too
 
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