Man, I should've known the reprecussions of posting this news...
Woman meets dad for first time. Now they're having a baby.
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SeraRelm
What, a thus far tame, yet involved discussion on the topic at hand with people able to disagree without resorting to attacks?
Totally our of control, I know.
Totally our of control, I know.
Oh, it's a tame discussion compared to many, I agree. I just didn't expect some to be essentially defending it.
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While I may not perform (nor wish to) the act, I'll not condemn it in and of itself.
I generally try to look at any human interaction without projecting my own bias on it (I obviously don't always succeed, mind you). If you take away the "ew, they're blood related" out of the equation, what they're doing isn't really all that out of left field.
She doesn't know this guy as her father, and he doesn't know her as his daughter.
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I've always felt that if two consenting adults wanna go at it without harming others, I don't care what they're doing. 
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I'd argue that according to biblical scripture, all of humanity is inbred, but it wouldn't refute your case. 
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makare
This just reminds me that I have had a fear for a long time of accidentally meeting and having a relationship with one of my brothers. Apparently my father, whom I do not know, has many many children. I thought wouldn't that be horrifying to end up with my brother because my dad is a manwhore? I know my dad's name and I don't really go for guys who are way older than me so I don't really worry about that.
Maybe I should worry.
ugh.
Maybe I should worry.
ugh.
Clearly the answer is to only have relationships with people you feel no sexual attraction to.
Or lesbianism.
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makare
sigh I have a lot of sister out there too.. damn it father you insufferable manwhore!
I think she's going to see through your clever plan, Bammage.
My initial reaction is one of disgust, because I couldn't imagine being attracted to any of my blood relatives. But that's my situation. This is obviously a different one for these two people. I won't condemn people who find themselves in a situation where GSA comes into play, mostly because I just don't care about other people's sex lives. Consenting adults, etc, etc.
Though it'll mean if he uses the "who's your daddy" line on her, it'll be kinkier than usual.
What? No no no no, I do not hit on fellow forumites. I'm sure makare's a wonderful and very attractive female, but I have no intention of making forum females uncomfortable.
Well, at least not in that way.
What, like in the back of a Volkswagen?
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makare
ah yes.. a-trac-ti-on.
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Funniest thing that happened to a friend of mine over which I felt bad for finding hilarious. He used the "who's your daddy" line and the other person started crying and saying "I don't know!"
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makare
good lord that should be on tape...
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This is also the guy who was my roommate for like, a year. One time he burst into my room, looked me dead in the eye, then spiked his "bed partner"s underwear on the floor and proceeded to do an end zone dance.
North_Ranger
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I think he's Buddhist.
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bmp bmp bmp is this thing on? I almost said exactly the same thing like 5 posts up. Echo echo echo echo echo echo ...
There is a much higher chance of health problems down the line for a kid from an inbred relationship between father and daughter than normal. Different kinds of health problems than those typically associated with older mothers having kids. We're not talking flipper babies here but just some quick looking around on the internet seems to indicate a lot of general health issues that just aren't going to be as good as what you would get from a genetically diverse relationship.
As for their relationship itself? I could care less... but don't have babies from it. Ick.
As for their relationship itself? I could care less... but don't have babies from it. Ick.
BananaHands
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I'm not defending it at all. I'm saying that, even though it's interesting (actually, super icky, if I think about myself and my own father) to think about, when it comes down to it I don't really care what they do
My dad's biological mother ran out on him when he was a baby and went on to have a bunch of other kids, so I know I have a bunch of other aunts/uncles/cousins that I've never met and wouldn't know from Pete running around within a 100-mile radius of where I grew up. I'd like to think I've managed to avoid sleeping with any of them, but GSA could definitely happen.
Part of the reason this is a problem for some, and worthy of discussion, is because it's really about power dynamics almost more than it is about blood relation.
It's impossible for most people to separate the fact that a father and/or mother has a position of power of their children, which means that in general, situations like this are always abuses of that power and just plain abuse. This may be the 1% that isn't though, since again, they had no normal father/daughter relationship and both are adults. In other words there was no real power dynamic in play (at least the way the story tells it). Now one could argue that by merely being her father, despite not raising her, puts him in that position of power automatically, and while I'm not sure if thats true I can't say it shouldn't be considered at least.
Again, I'm not saying that these 2 aren't the exception to the rule, lets give them that for the sake of discussion, but I would be worried if people weren't going "ew" to this, because in general that is the right response to hearing "Father & Daughter having baby". Usually it's not such a... um... "romantic" experience.
It's impossible for most people to separate the fact that a father and/or mother has a position of power of their children, which means that in general, situations like this are always abuses of that power and just plain abuse. This may be the 1% that isn't though, since again, they had no normal father/daughter relationship and both are adults. In other words there was no real power dynamic in play (at least the way the story tells it). Now one could argue that by merely being her father, despite not raising her, puts him in that position of power automatically, and while I'm not sure if thats true I can't say it shouldn't be considered at least.
Again, I'm not saying that these 2 aren't the exception to the rule, lets give them that for the sake of discussion, but I would be worried if people weren't going "ew" to this, because in general that is the right response to hearing "Father & Daughter having baby". Usually it's not such a... um... "romantic" experience.
I'm a bit confused here. Either this couple should have a right to their sexual relationship, which means everyone else needs to deal with it regardless of their personal squick factor. Or they should not have the right, in which case they've done something rather bad. I got the distinct impression you were defending their right to have that relationship.I'm not defending it at all. I'm saying that, even though it's interesting (actually, super icky, if I think about myself and my own father) to think about, when it comes down to it I don't really care what they do
Or did you mean you have no problem with the relationship, only with the child?
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Espy , when I say consenting adults, I'm not just talking about age, but an emotional level of maturity. So again, two consenting adults who aren't harming anyone (not a parent "abusing the situation"), have at it. I do however feel it's right to condemn the actions of those who do decide to abuse. I don't think I'll discuss anything else on that aspect of the conversation.
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Which I agree with, I'm just saying that the reason people are having a hard time with this is because it's almost impossible for this sort of relationship to not be abuse on some level. Like I said, this may very well be the exception to the rule, and the article certainly seems to imply it is. Considering the facts I would personally say they can go nuts for all I care. However I would not be surprised to find that despite the lack of traditional father/daughter roles here there is still part of that power dynamic at play.
Again, I'm NOT saying this is abuse. I am saying there are some very, very big and very normal power-dynamics that make this a hard thing to get around for most people and they may or may not be at play here. It's pretty hard to know without a psychological evaluation on them.
Edit: I'd love to hear MindDetective's thoughts on this.
Eh, there's a difference to me between actively defending it ("yay, incest!") and defending their right to do what they want by saying it's not the government's place to tell them they can't. I'm not going to defend the Westboro Baptist Church for being a bunch of asshats, but I'm going to defend their right to asshattery.
Maybe it's just semantics.
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