[NHL] Off Season- draft, trades, rumours, withdrawl support
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No kidding.
NHLPA has a press conference starting soon.
http://new.livestream.com/NHLPA/newyork
Right now it's just Crosby, Getzlaf, Chara, Lundqvist, and Alfreddsson having a chat on stage. I suppose they are waiting for Fehr.
NHL has a press conference later on today.
I'm not exactly holding my breath.
NHLPA has a press conference starting soon.
http://new.livestream.com/NHLPA/newyork
Right now it's just Crosby, Getzlaf, Chara, Lundqvist, and Alfreddsson having a chat on stage. I suppose they are waiting for Fehr.
NHL has a press conference later on today.
I'm not exactly holding my breath.
Fehr has said a whole lot of nothing new. Kudos to the Players for working so hard, sticking together, boo bad NHL owners, we still cant agree on anything and we're still hoping to get a deal in place tomorrow.[DOUBLEPOST=1347557911][/DOUBLEPOST]
I'm still optimistic, but I don't think it'll be starting until probably November.
Where are you getting that date from? I keep hearing magical dates but people really aren't listening as to what is happening.
Last time, the players took it in the teeth after a season lost. The league recovered and is now better than ever. Perhaps not on the gameplay front but they have never made this much money....
And instead of balancing things with the teams to promote equality across the league for cities who are in the red...
They want to cut wages for the players.
There's no reason to unless the owners do their own part and they don't.
They don't like giving out long term contracts.... but they still do.
They don't like giving 2nd level entry contracts huge numbers... but they do.
The owners/gms are fucking it up themselves like little children and now they want the players to take a cut while the league is trying to support a handful of DEAD teams while cities fully able to support the team if they got moved are ignored.
I'm in no one's camp but as a hockey fan.... fuck off.
fuck off for waiting till july to start negotiating.
Last time, the players took it in the teeth after a season lost. The league recovered and is now better than ever. Perhaps not on the gameplay front but they have never made this much money....
And instead of balancing things with the teams to promote equality across the league for cities who are in the red...
They want to cut wages for the players.
There's no reason to unless the owners do their own part and they don't.
They don't like giving out long term contracts.... but they still do.
They don't like giving 2nd level entry contracts huge numbers... but they do.
The owners/gms are fucking it up themselves like little children and now they want the players to take a cut while the league is trying to support a handful of DEAD teams while cities fully able to support the team if they got moved are ignored.
I'm in no one's camp but as a hockey fan.... fuck off.
fuck off for waiting till july to start negotiating.
Definitely got it from my ass. Can't even lie about that. Basically, I want hockey to start as soon as possible, definitely by December because I want to go to the Winter Classic. But I am not optimistic enough to say it'll be here in October, with the way the negotiations have been. I mean we all know it's not coming on time, and I suspect that with the way negotations have been handled this far, after Saturday there will be another long period where neither side so much as talks to the other.
The owners are definitely mucking things up themselves, but as I understand it that is one of the big problems with these neogtiations, is that not all the owners WANT to end those ridiculous contracts. Some see those deals as the way to save their team, others see ending them as the way to save the league. So the NHL's not just negotiating with the players, it's negotiating amongst itself.
One thing that did give me a brief bit of a silver lining to the cloud is I think some experience in the European leagues/ KHL might not be a bad thing for North American players heading into the next Olympics, since they'll be in Sochi. Gives them a taste of Russia, a lot more experience with that style of play, and some practice with their larger rinks. But, that doesn't make me want NHL any less.
On the bright side, there's a good chance I'll be forced into living with my parents by the end of October and they have cable, so I should still be able to watch AHL games, I guess.
*Edit: Also I have to repeat this:
Nailed it.
Play offs, playoffs don't end until mid June. Season ends in April. And there is absolutely no reason the Fehrs, Bettman and whatshisname that acts as Bettman's Salacious Crumb couldn't have opened up negotations as early as February, even if it was largely informal and didn't actually include any proposals.
They started in July, and that first month was largely informal talks, they didn't actually begin exchanging proposals until July 31st, with the NHLPA not submitting their counter proposal until two full weeks later. That means that as far as actual give and take, proposal/ counter proposal negotiation, they didn't start until mid August.
Then there's the fact that their negotiations have mostly been about 2-4 hours twice a week at the most frequent. The NHL submitted a proposal and then broke off talks entirely for over a week with their own hard set deadline looming. Both sides could very easily have started negotiating earlier, and could have worked much harder than they have.
Bettman's press conference didn't say much of anything either. There was concern that the NHL was going tob e announcing the lockout early, but that's not what was going on today. He basically said today's negotiations yielded nothing new. He said that the NHL proposed continuing the negotiations tonight but the NHLPA said they have meetings scheduled already (Doubtless to discuss labour issues with players who are planning on going to Europe if there's a lockout). So if any more negotiations are to take place before the league locks the players out, it has to be tomorrow.
It feels like the NHL is starting to realize that the NHLPA hasn't been negotiating, just fighting a PR battle and winning big time there, and so now they are trying to throw the players under the bus.
NHLPA: "Well, we said we'd continue to play under the current CBA but THEY said we couldn't"
NHL:"Well, we wanted to continue negotations today but THEY said they couldn't"
I don't care whose fault it is, act like adults and get a deal done.
It feels like the NHL is starting to realize that the NHLPA hasn't been negotiating, just fighting a PR battle and winning big time there, and so now they are trying to throw the players under the bus.
NHLPA: "Well, we said we'd continue to play under the current CBA but THEY said we couldn't"
NHL:"Well, we wanted to continue negotations today but THEY said they couldn't"
I don't care whose fault it is, act like adults and get a deal done.
That wasn't my understanding of their deal. What I read was that NBC has to pay in full regardless of whether there is any games played, I didn't see any articles that mentioned a contractual obligation for the NHL to provide a free season were that the case (Though if that's in the contract, it would help me to understand why NBC would sign that).
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nhl/sto...gotiations-nbc-sports-nhlpa-owners-khl-russia
blah blah blah, now highlighting relevant section blah blah blah
blah blah blah, now highlighting relevant section blah blah blah
So whatever they cannot recover now, is tacked on to the end of the existing agreement. So they get paid for revenues this year, but in a decade or so they would lose an entire years revenue.
Ah, okay. The articles I read all made no mention of that part, and I was wondering why the hell NBC would agree to that deal, and sign a deal that long if they knew the CBA would expire in that time period. Now it makes sense.
Sigh.
Teemu Selanne wrote a long column about the lockout, which has been google- translated from Finnish to English for our reading pleasure:
But, the burning question is what does Taiwan think of all this?
I hate both sides in this. The players already know they're going to lose (as evidenced by all the contracts just signed right before the lockout) so now its just about saving face. The owners shwo again that they don't give two shits about anyone that likes hockey or they would've done a one year extension as a show of good faith. And are they even talking now? I know the day before the deadline they didn't even talk. Newflash people: no deal will ever get done without talking.
Yup. Pretty much. I admit I'm more angry with the owners than the players, but when it comes down to it, I'm pretty mad at both sides in this. Neither side seems to give a shit about the fans, despite both sides trying desperately to appeal to them.
Last I read, neither side expected negotiations to reopen until "at least" Wednesday. Which is to say, nobody said they actually had any talks scheduled for Wednesday, just that it wouldn't be until at LEAST then. As far as I know, no they still aren't talking.[DOUBLEPOST=1348019054][/DOUBLEPOST]
I can't even afford rent, I am not able to pay for equipment and a registration for a rec league, or I definitely would.
Everyone but checkeredhat join a rec league!
The NHL has apparently decided to lock out its fans as well.
As of right now (10:08 AM ET), NONE of the NHL's team-run message boards are working, rejecting individual passwords and, after a couple of attempts, notifying users trying to login that "Your account will be unlocked in X minutes."
I just cannot believe this.
As of right now (10:08 AM ET), NONE of the NHL's team-run message boards are working, rejecting individual passwords and, after a couple of attempts, notifying users trying to login that "Your account will be unlocked in X minutes."
I just cannot believe this.
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The NHL PA doesn't want to cede any more ground, but the NHL owners submitted the most recent proposal. It has to be the PA that opens up negotiations again. Has to be them that makes the first call, but they're going to hold out. I am getting scared.
http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/20...rs-side-it-probably-isnt-all-about-the-money/
Not looking good at all.
Not looking good at all.
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