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Bowielee

Bowielee

ScytheRexx said:
Yes, I know, but they present it as "bad", and Rell even says it was wrong. It was his doubt in the action that almost allowed the Sha of Doubt to possess him. The same scene on the Horde, Nazgrim almost gets possessed just because he doubts his mission after losing the Horde airship, thinking Garrosh was going to kill him, not because of any "wrongs" committed when he slaughtered the entire Alliance base and straight up said "We have no room for prisoners. Don't let them run away." when he sends you into the fray. That is the problem, they present the Alliance as having a conscious about the bad stuff they do through some of their character, while they present the Horde reveling in it, or shrugging it off.

On the Alliance side you feel welcomed into the Pandaren village for helping them. On the Horde side you feel like freeloaders just because the natives are too nice to kick you out.

Speaking of airships. Man do I feel bad for the Horde when it comes to airships. The only airship that has been able to survive is Orgrim's Hammer in Icecrown (and even that is dubious, considering playing Alliance causes you to shoot it down in the ICC raid). Send one to take over Gilneas? Crashed by the Worgen. Send one into Deepholme? Shot down by the Twilight's Hammer who took over the Alliance airship. Send another new one to fight at the battle of Wyrmrest Temple? Deathwing decides to body smash it into oblivion. Nazgrim takes yet another "brand new" airship to claim Pandaria? Kaboom after the first six quests.

And yet on the Alliance side, they treat the Skyfire like a flying death fortress and aircraft carrier. It survives and you keep using it to obliterate any Horde in the region using flares to call in fighter squadrons. I know it has some sentimental value, being the airship that chased down Deathwing during the hour of twilight, but come on, we can at least throw the Horde a bone in the airship category!
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I really haven't played Horde since WoTLK, so I'm WAY behind on the comings and goings of the horde.[DOUBLEPOST=1348672932][/DOUBLEPOST]
Gilgamesh said:
It's clear they want to create new lore for Panderia but WILL be touching back on old lore for the xpac after it. I'm willing to be we some old Warcraft 1&2 heroes finally show up.
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I was pissed as hell over what went down with Kael'Thas. I loved him from The Frozen Throne.[DOUBLEPOST=1348673037][/DOUBLEPOST]Speaking of being out of touch with the Horde and all, what's the Blood Elves' position in all of this?
 
Gilgamesh

Gilgamesh

Bowielee said:
Speaking of being out of touch with the Horde and all, what's the Blood Elves' position in all of this?
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I haven't finished Tides of War but I'm very sure they're against it and plotting out something. From what I read from Blue posts, there is going to be alot of info coming from the Blood Elf camp and their Reagent Leader soon.
 
ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Bowielee said:
Speaking of being out of touch with the Horde and all, what's the Blood Elves' position in all of this?
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In Tides of War, Lor'themar is at a meeting with the other Horde leaders leading up to the Theramore attack. He seems to be in favor of Garrosh for most of the conversation (Sylvanas, funny enough, seems resistant to going through with the attack, though for selfish reasons.), so much so that Garrosh decides to have a private conversation with him afterwards to praise him for his loyalty.

In the conversation Lor'themar made it clear he is supporting him only because he is loyal to the Horde, and when Garrosh says he is the Horde, Lor'themar snidely corrects him that he is only the leader for the time being. Later on when Garrosh calls for the attack, he calls for Lor'themar to personally take part, which he refuses, instead sending a small amount of warriors lead by another elf named Kelantir. Sylvanas was also called to take part but she too refused.

Kelantir was shown as very critical of Garrosh, mostly agreeing with Vol'jin and Baine during the battle. It could be assumed Lor'themar told her not to really listen to Garrosh. Garrosh's right hand man has Kelantir and the Forsaken representative killed after the battle was over, for "speaking out against the warchief" during the attack. He destroying the Inn at Razor Hill while the two were still inside.
 
Piotyr

Piotyr

From what I got out of the Horde story in Pandaria, the northern village joined up with the Horde because the Alliance tricked them into building an airfield and enslaved their children. At least Nazgrim was straight up about his warmongering intentions. ;)
 
Piotyr

Piotyr

Well, when you're actually out there doing the quest, the majority of the villagers are Pandaren children. When you go to tell them it's time to leave, previously neutral nearby alliance NPCs become hostile towards them and you have to fend them off to save the villagers.

It's the whole reason the Honeydew Village opens up to the Horde.
 
ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Good to see as I get farther in we get more of a reason for the Horde to get welcomed by the village, though obviously the Alliance taking Pandaren as slaves is throwing to the whole Sha corruption taking over many of the Alliance in that region. Still weird that on the Alliance side all the antagonizing quests are pretty much from the Horde, while only really one puts the Alliance in a bad light on the Horde side.

P.S. I remembered that after killing the warlock leader of the Horde in the south, he had a log behind him that showed how he was spiraling into madness from the Sha. (which, I admit, is hinted as one of the reasons the Horde themselves were kidnapping children and such, so they have at least somewhat of an excuse). I just checked and the leader of the Alliance in the north has the same thing... Here is the quotes most connected to what we are talking about.


Day 9
The Skyseeker reported that it picked up Horde prisoners from an engagement at sea this morning, then suddenly fell silent. I fear the worst.
Actually, I fear a lot of things. We're alone here. Reinforcement from Stormwind are weeks away. Taylor's flagship is missing, and now the Skyseeker is silent. Are we losing the war at sea? Doubts churn within me. I can't think straight. I swear my skin is losing color. What is wrong with me?

Day 12
Every day I scan the horizon for Horde airships. We are not ready. Our airbase is in shambles, with a half-complete tower. Some pandaren have offered to help, and I've drafted them.
Years ago, I once hunted down Colonel Kurzen when madness overtook him in Stranglethorn. I never understood his spiral into darkness until now. I am alone. At night I lie awake in the oppressive heat, and swear the shadows are whispering to me at my own demise. Must get that airbase finished. I'll clap the pandaren in manacles if I have to. The Horde... The Horde...

Day 14
Woke up to news of a signal flare from off the coast. There's a shadow moving through the fog. A horde gunship?
I've dispatched a messenger to scramble the gyrocopters. They may not get here in time. Ordering everyone to the guns. This is it.
I feel overpowered with anger and dread. I am not myself. Perhaps in victory I will find solace?
If it is truly a single Horde airship, then they stand no chance. We will decimate them.
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Squidleybits

Squidleybits

It was worth the wait. The first two dungeons were really fun! Those monkeys can party!

The plate that dropped was really nice and all level 410. The quest rewards were really nice as well.
 
ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Frank said:
The horde turtle mount vendor is mia. That's cool. That's really cool.
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You have the worst luck Frank, I honestly feel bad about it. Did you not have any other mounts on the account you could use?

Squidleybits said:
It was worth the wait. The first two dungeons were really fun! Those monkeys can party!
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The Stormstout Brewery is the most hilarious dungeon I have ever played, in a good way. Dancing monkeys that throw barrels at you, smashing Vermin with a hammer, Alementals, hilarious. Last boss was a pain in the ass though when people don't know what to do.
 
Piotyr

Piotyr

I'm really anal about doing dungeons in new content, to where I want to make it to the dungeon content within the context of the plot before heading in there, so I haven't tried any of the dungeons yet. I am looking forward to them, though.
 
Gilgamesh

Gilgamesh

Piotyr said:
I'm really anal about doing dungeons in new content, to where I want to make it to the dungeon content within the context of the plot before heading in there, so I haven't tried any of the dungeons yet. I am looking forward to them, though.
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That's exactly how I'm doing them.
Jade Serpent after Jade Serpent event. Stormstout Brewery after Brewery event.
 
Frank

Frank

ScytheRexx said:
Yes, I know, but they present it as "bad", and Rell even says it was wrong. It was his doubt in the action that almost allowed the Sha of Doubt to possess him. The same scene on the Horde, Nazgrim almost gets possessed just because he doubts his mission after losing the Horde airship, thinking Garrosh was going to kill him, not because of any "wrongs" committed when he slaughtered the entire Alliance base and straight up said "We have no room for prisoners. Don't let them run away." when he sends you into the fray. That is the problem, they present the Alliance as having a conscious about the bad stuff they do through some of their character, while they present the Horde reveling in it, or shrugging it off.

On the Alliance side you feel welcomed into the Pandaren village for helping them. On the Horde side you feel like freeloaders just because the natives are too nice to kick you out.

Speaking of airships. Man do I feel bad for the Horde when it comes to airships. The only airship that has been able to survive is Orgrim's Hammer in Icecrown (and even that is dubious, considering playing Alliance causes you to shoot it down in the ICC raid). Send one to take over Gilneas? Crashed by the Worgen. Send one into Deepholme? Shot down by the Twilight's Hammer who took over the Alliance airship. Send another new one to fight at the battle of Wyrmrest Temple? Deathwing decides to body smash it into oblivion. Nazgrim takes yet another "brand new" airship to claim Pandaria? Kaboom after the first six quests.

And yet on the Alliance side, they treat the Skyfire like a flying death fortress and aircraft carrier. It survives and you keep using it to obliterate any Horde in the region using flares to call in fighter squadrons. I know it has some sentimental value, being the airship that chased down Deathwing during the hour of twilight, but come on, we can at least throw the Horde a bone in the airship category!



What? Trolls have never been "mercenary" in their alliance with the Horde. Vol'jin credits the Horde with saving his people and is loyal to the bone, so much that he turned down joining the Zandalari, saying "The Horde is our family now". He hates Garrosh, but still stays because he still believes in what Thrall's Horde stood for, and wants to see it returned to that.

While Sylvanas and Gallywix are in it for very selfish reasons, Vol'jin, Baine, and even Lor'thremar are presented as staying purely out of loyalty to what they believe the Horde should stand for, back like it was under Thrall.
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You know the biggest bullshit part of the whole airship thing. Every Horde airship has the biggest fucking gun ever with shells the size of small houses visible but has yet to (to my knowledge) ever use the fucking thing. In comparison to other conventional weaponry the thing should be like a tactical nuke.
 
ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

Frank said:
You know the biggest bullshit part of the whole airship thing. Every Horde airship has the biggest fucking gun ever with shells the size of small houses visible but has yet to (to my knowledge) ever use the fucking thing. In comparison to other conventional weaponry the thing should be like a tactical nuke.
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The Alliance have the same thing, Blizzard designed in a bombing bay with a bomb that looks like a nuke, but not once have they were shown it used.
 
Squidleybits

Squidleybits

I managed to find a one handed +agility weapon dirt cheap in the AH :D Its hard to win rolls in dungeons in 5 monk groups. Its awesome though, I'm the only non panda monk!
 
ScytheRexx

ScytheRexx

I have yet to make my monk, I am STILL torn on what I want to do... I kind of want to go versus the norm and have a non-monk Pandaren and a non-pandaren Monk.

I admit though, playing as Chen in one mission made me really love the moves they do.
 
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