[News] 3 women missing for over a decade found alive

I remember hearing about these girls in America's Most Wanted bits on XM radio, six or seven years ago. Holy crap.

Also, I drive through this neighborhood about once a week. I know exactly where this house is. Double holy crap.
 
Can't prove this, as I overheard it at work rather than reading it, but apparently people in the area had been calling the police about something suspicious going on (screaming and the like) and the local PD never sent anyone to investigate, all this time.
 
Can't prove this, as I overheard it at work rather than reading it, but apparently people in the area had been calling the police about something suspicious going on (screaming and the like) and the local PD never sent anyone to investigate, all this time.
Sounds more like they responded to two calls, but upon arriving had no cause to enter:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/05/07/cleveland-ohio-missing-women.html

But of course it's worth noting that details like this can be misremembered/wholly fabricated or just confused in the early reports.[DOUBLEPOST=1368048975][/DOUBLEPOST]This paints a more horrifying picture:
The three men controlling the three girls with dog leashes, police reportedly never responded to the call:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rd-TWO-years-ago--police-didnt-seriously.html

(Though it is my understanding the Daily Mail is somewhat sensationalistic.)
 
http://news.yahoo.com/6-chilling-revelations-cleveland-kidnapping-ordeal-073000969.html


2. Neighbors reported naked, leashed girls in Castro's backyard
Police were called to Ariel Castro's house at least twice since he bought the property in 1992 — once for a domestic violence arrest in 1993, and in January 2004, when Castro, a school bus driver until recently, left a child on a bus while he went to have dinner at Wendy's, telling the kid to "lay down." But neighbors say they called the the cops more times than that.
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Israel Lugo, who lives two houses down from Castro, says he, his family, and neighbors called the police on Castro three times in 2011 and 2012 — after his sister saw a woman and infant banging on a half-boarded-over window, again after his mom saw Castro unload an unusually large amount of McDonald's food from his school bus to the house, and once more after neighbors across the street saw three men controlling three naked young women on leashes, crawling on all fours in Castro's backyard. Another neighbor, Elsie Cintron, says her daughter witnessed a similar incident, one woman crawling naked in Castro's backyard several years ago, but when she called the police "they didn't take it seriously." Lugo says the police responded to his family's calls, but left when nobody answered the door.
"Everyone in the neighborhood did what they had to do," Lupe Collins tells The Associated Press. "The police didn't do their job."
Widely reported by now.
 
That Daily Mail article has a picture of the house's owner, Ariel Castro, and his son Anthony, dated 2001. The article states that "unimaginable horrors" are going on just behind the door in the picture, even though the first known kidnap victim vanished in 2002. I'm sick that they'd blatantly lie to make that photo seem jarring. Like this situation isn't bad enough, let's add some shock value.
 
The guy who uncovered this and told the FBI to give the reward money to the victims is having his criminal record waved like a flag by the media.

They have a pile of lazy cops to bash and three rapist monsters to provide media fodder, but it's better to dig into the past of the only guy in this situation who did the right thing?
 
Let me paint this in an alternate light, re: the lazy cops. (I'm not saying that this is how this happened - it's entirely possible that the dispatchers never sent the call, but most will send out ANY call, leaving any wave-off up to the on-duty supervisor. And most supervisors are so ass-covering, they won't wave off calls. So I don't know where the break in the chain here is.)

I get dispatched to a call about women on leashes. A little unnerved (but only a little - I'm fairly familiar with the kink), I respond to the address and take a look around the property before making contact with the homeowner. Not seeing anything, I knock on the door. The homeowner answers, I get his information. I ask if maybe there might have been something that could have been seen by folks in the neighborhood and misinterpreted, and listen to his story. He tells me, somewhat ashamedly, that he's part of a group of swingers, and they party pretty hard sometimes. I nod my head, log his information, and continue patrolling.

In writing that, I've tried to be as honest as I can as to the level of an interested street officer's involvement in such a call.

The only additional thing I could think of that could be done there would be to ask to make contact with the women. If they say "They've already left," then there is precisely dick I can do in this situation. The Fourth Amendment is a something like a big deal, you know.
 
The guy who uncovered this and told the FBI to give the reward money to the victims is having his criminal record waved like a flag by the media.

They have a pile of lazy cops to bash and three rapist monsters to provide media fodder, but it's better to dig into the past of the only guy in this situation who did the right thing?
Everyone hates a hero. Christ.[DOUBLEPOST=1368069008][/DOUBLEPOST]
Let me paint this in an alternate light, re: the lazy cops. (I'm not saying that this is how this happened - it's entirely possible that the dispatchers never sent the call, but most will send out ANY call, leaving any wave-off up to the on-duty supervisor. And most supervisors are so ass-covering, they won't wave off calls. So I don't know where the break in the chain here is.)

I get dispatched to a call about women on leashes. A little unnerved (but only a little - I'm fairly familiar with the kink), I respond to the address and take a look around the property before making contact with the homeowner. Not seeing anything, I knock on the door. The homeowner answers, I get his information. I ask if maybe there might have been something that could have been seen by folks in the neighborhood and misinterpreted, and listen to his story. He tells me, somewhat ashamedly, that he's part of a group of swingers, and they party pretty hard sometimes. I nod my head, log his information, and continue patrolling.

In writing that, I've tried to be as honest as I can as to the level of an interested street officer's involvement in such a call.

The only additional thing I could think of that could be done there would be to ask to make contact with the women. If they say "They've already left," then there is precisely dick I can do in this situation. The Fourth Amendment is a something like a big deal, you know.
I think (hope?) I get it. I mean, yes, there are going to be lazy/shitty cops. There are lazy/shitty [insert occupation here]. But you guys can't go around kicking in doors every time Tom, Dick or Harry calls you up to say his neighbour is a jaywalker.

It sucks. Everything about this sucks.
 

Dave

Staff member
Okay, so the two brothers have been let go because the cops say they had nothing to do with it. So there go all those dumbass rumors about the women on leashes with the brothers. And today Castro (who should be noted is making a mockery of the name!) was given a bail amount. Granted, it's a large dollar amount so it's unlikely he'll be released, but him getting a bail amount at all seems strange to me. This crime is horrific enough that I would be behind a no bail ruling.
 

Dave

Staff member
I wish he could have lived out his sentence in that hole...

What was it 1,000 years?
Personally, I think the first 10 years should have been in a hole, chained to something and raped every day. I'm only half joking. Well, mostly joking.

Okay, I'm joking, but if anyone would deserve it...
 
At his trial, the guy was claiming that he didn't really deserve to be punished, that he was a sex addict and thus wasn't responsible for his actions. I guess he'd feel like he was jailed unjustly, and thus would find being in prison extra hard to stomach.

But then again, hey dead dude, I'm a sex addict too, you know how many women I've abducted and chained up? Go ahead, guess.
 
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