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GasBandit said:
Ah, we see. It's ok what they did because it was in the name of YOUR supported political beliefs. After all, when you're the super duper good guys, the ends always justify the means, and your shining idealism can never be tarnished by the reprehensibility of your methods.
You've just wrapped up the Dubya years in one nice little package there. Never mind the lies. Never mind the torture. Never mind the murders by the private army of the new "Crusaders". He thought he was charged by God Himself to wage war on Iraq.

This isn't some "I hate the other side!" vendetta. They wrapped themselves in the flag and committed unspeakable acts in the name of the People, then called anyone who said "hey, wait a sec, is this really the right thing to do?" the equivalent of Nazi appeasers or "morally confused" (Donald Rumsfeld, August 2006)

And what do the Democrats do now that they have the keys to the kingdom and have the power to call those responsible for these egregious acts to account? NOT A GODDAMNED THING. They've gone so far as to rapidly change the subject whenever it comes up. Some flat out admit they won't do anything about it.

One side sycophants, the other base cowards. Meanwhile we have 4300 and counting of the best and brightest of American and Coalition men and women dead for absolutely nothing. Friends. Neightbors. Sons and daughters, Mothers and fathers. As dead as if they were just rounded up and deleted over the course of six years.
 
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JCM

DarkAudit said:
GasBandit said:
Ah, we see. It's ok what they did because it was in the name of YOUR supported political beliefs. After all, when you're the super duper good guys, the ends always justify the means, and your shining idealism can never be tarnished by the reprehensibility of your methods.
You've just wrapped up the Dubya years in one nice little package there. Never mind the lies. Never mind the torture. Never mind the murders by the private army of the new "Crusaders". He thought he was charged by God Himself to wage war on Iraq.

This isn't some "I hate the other side!" vendetta. They wrapped themselves in the flag and committed unspeakable acts in the name of the People, then called anyone who said "hey, wait a sec, is this really the right thing to do?" the equivalent of Nazi appeasers or "morally confused" (Donald Rumsfeld, August 2006)

And what do the Democrats do now that they have the keys to the kingdom and have the power to call those responsible for these egregious acts to account? NOT A GODDAMNED THING. They've gone so far as to rapidly change the subject whenever it comes up. Some flat out admit they won't do anything about it.

One side sycophants, the other base cowards. Meanwhile we have 4300 and counting of the best and brightest of American and Coalition men and women dead for absolutely nothing. Friends. Neightbors. Sons and daughters, Mothers and fathers. As dead as if they were just rounded up and deleted over the course of six years.
Pretty much this.
 

JCM said:
DarkAudit said:
GasBandit said:
Ah, we see. It's ok what they did because it was in the name of YOUR supported political beliefs. After all, when you're the super duper good guys, the ends always justify the means, and your shining idealism can never be tarnished by the reprehensibility of your methods.
You've just wrapped up the Dubya years in one nice little package there. Never mind the lies. Never mind the torture. Never mind the murders by the private army of the new "Crusaders". He thought he was charged by God Himself to wage war on Iraq.

This isn't some "I hate the other side!" vendetta. They wrapped themselves in the flag and committed unspeakable acts in the name of the People, then called anyone who said "hey, wait a sec, is this really the right thing to do?" the equivalent of Nazi appeasers or "morally confused" (Donald Rumsfeld, August 2006)

And what do the Democrats do now that they have the keys to the kingdom and have the power to call those responsible for these egregious acts to account? NOT A GODDAMNED THING. They've gone so far as to rapidly change the subject whenever it comes up. Some flat out admit they won't do anything about it.

One side sycophants, the other base cowards. Meanwhile we have 4300 and counting of the best and brightest of American and Coalition men and women dead for absolutely nothing. Friends. Neightbors. Sons and daughters, Mothers and fathers. As dead as if they were just rounded up and deleted over the course of six years.
Pretty much this.
Yet completely irrelevant to the current discourse. Yes, the right are being dickwads and using underhanded techniques, but the left has been doing the same FOR WHATEVER REASON for some time. DA, you need to stop being blind about the actions of your own party's actions.
 
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WolfOfOdin

I'm the first to admit that I'm not too fond of what the democrats are doing right now, but then again I'm a registered socialist :p

But we're getting into the same problem that I spoke of before.

Gasbandit, I am the first to admit that Socialism, that while a beautiful and wonderful ideal does in fact have a number of glaring flaws such as creating a possibly permenant welfare state and the horror that would be if the central government collapsed and took the economy with it. These flaws however can be complimented and smoothed by working together with fiscal conservatives who one would hope, have a natural knack for money and finance. In working together, two diametrically opposed people could and should pool their talents and resources to sacrifice their wants for the GOOD OF THE NATION.

However, the other side has to admit it has flaws as well, left or right, for that to work. Though conservatives do have their heart in the right place, the ideology at times comes off as harsh, cold and cruel to people who's circumstances may prevent them from shining the way they can and should. You must also admit that our current economy is heavily geared towards a bubble/burst system that results in a constant series economic sectors collapsing. That has to change and must be fixed, which it could be by nationalizing industries which cannot and should not operate on a per-profit basis (Health care, Food, Housing, Transportation and National defense). With the current definition of debate though, that seems almost completely and utterly impossible.
 
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Le Quack

Edrondol said:
JCM said:
DarkAudit said:
GasBandit said:
Ah, we see. It's ok what they did because it was in the name of YOUR supported political beliefs. After all, when you're the super duper good guys, the ends always justify the means, and your shining idealism can never be tarnished by the reprehensibility of your methods.
You've just wrapped up the Dubya years in one nice little package there. Never mind the lies. Never mind the torture. Never mind the murders by the private army of the new "Crusaders". He thought he was charged by God Himself to wage war on Iraq.

This isn't some "I hate the other side!" vendetta. They wrapped themselves in the flag and committed unspeakable acts in the name of the People, then called anyone who said "hey, wait a sec, is this really the right thing to do?" the equivalent of Nazi appeasers or "morally confused" (Donald Rumsfeld, August 2006)

And what do the Democrats do now that they have the keys to the kingdom and have the power to call those responsible for these egregious acts to account? NOT A GODDAMNED THING. They've gone so far as to rapidly change the subject whenever it comes up. Some flat out admit they won't do anything about it.

One side sycophants, the other base cowards. Meanwhile we have 4300 and counting of the best and brightest of American and Coalition men and women dead for absolutely nothing. Friends. Neightbors. Sons and daughters, Mothers and fathers. As dead as if they were just rounded up and deleted over the course of six years.
Pretty much this.
Yet completely irrelevant to the current discourse. Yes, the right are being * and using underhanded techniques, but the left has been doing the same FOR WHATEVER REASON for some time. DA, you need to stop being blind about the actions of your own party's actions.

I think he's saying its not the same as when we protested because our side isn't an evil regime, unlike the Bush Administration.
 
Edrondol said:
Yet completely irrelevant to the current discourse. Yes, the right are being dickwads and using underhanded techniques, but the left has been doing the same FOR WHATEVER REASON for some time. DA, you need to stop being blind about the actions of your own party's actions.
I'm sorry, but it's not the same. You don't and didn't have the main media figures on the left calling for violent action. You didn't have folks going on MSNBC telling viewers to "terrorize" Republicans.

When the kettle starts arming itself, the pot has every right to call attention to it.

(and ninja'd by LeQuack... yes, there are actual crimes that may have been committed by the Bushies, in spite of legal hacks like John Woo may have told them. The right is complaining about imaginary parts of a bill they were read to by an insurance lobbyist)
 
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JCM

Le Quack said:
Edrondol said:
JCM said:
DarkAudit said:
You've just wrapped up the Dubya years in one nice little package there. Never mind the lies. Never mind the torture. Never mind the murders by the private army of the new "Crusaders". He thought he was charged by God Himself to wage war on Iraq.

This isn't some "I hate the other side!" vendetta. They wrapped themselves in the flag and committed unspeakable acts in the name of the People, then called anyone who said "hey, wait a sec, is this really the right thing to do?" the equivalent of Nazi appeasers or "morally confused" (Donald Rumsfeld, August 2006)

And what do the Democrats do now that they have the keys to the kingdom and have the power to call those responsible for these egregious acts to account? NOT A GODDAMNED THING. They've gone so far as to rapidly change the subject whenever it comes up. Some flat out admit they won't do anything about it.

One side sycophants, the other base cowards. Meanwhile we have 4300 and counting of the best and brightest of American and Coalition men and women dead for absolutely nothing. Friends. Neightbors. Sons and daughters, Mothers and fathers. As dead as if they were just rounded up and deleted over the course of six years.
Pretty much this.
Yet completely irrelevant to the current discourse. Yes, the right are being * and using underhanded techniques, but the left has been doing the same FOR WHATEVER REASON for some time. DA, you need to stop being blind about the actions of your own party's actions.

I think he's saying its not the same as when we protested because our side isn't an evil regime, unlike the Bush Administration.
Define "evil"
 
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