Another Reason Texas Scares Me

[Dei]

Regardless of when foreclosed neighborhoods were an issue, Republicans were trying there damnest to regulate mortgages and were getting shut down.

 

[Covar]

Regardless of when foreclosed neighborhoods were an issue, Republicans were trying there damnest to regulate mortgages and were getting shut down.

I thought it was Republican deregulation that caused the Housing crisis.

 

[Tinwhistler]

Regardless of when foreclosed neighborhoods were an issue, Republicans were trying there damnest to regulate mortgages and were getting shut down.

I thought it was Republican deregulation that caused the Housing crisis.[/QUOTE]

The truth is probably not quite so cut and dried
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-s...crisis-republican-deregulation-ignores-overwh

Yes, this [The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999] was introduced by three Republicans. However, what Maddow conveniently ignored is that it passed the Senate by a vote of 90-8 with 38 Democrats saying "Yea"; it passed in the House 362-57 with 153 Democrats saying "Yea".

 

[AshburnerX]

Or all those foreclosed neighborhoods. Or hyperpolluted city areas. Or zero mobility working classes. Or pretty much the whole robber baron era. That's your reality with a conservative bias.

Except the foreclosures were caused by liberal federal social engineering, hyperpollution wasn't exclusive to conservative areas or eras, income mobility has been highest during periods of conservative policy, and I'll see your robber barons and raise you communist bread lines.[/QUOTE]

The difference is that you at least had a chance to get bread from the line. The Baron would give you nothing, unless you were using his funny money (which only worked at the mining camp and at the stores of his close friends) to buy it... and you had to buy it from him, at HIS price.

 

[GasBandit]

Or all those foreclosed neighborhoods. Or hyperpolluted city areas. Or zero mobility working classes. Or pretty much the whole robber baron era. That's your reality with a conservative bias.

Except the foreclosures were caused by liberal federal social engineering, hyperpollution wasn't exclusive to conservative areas or eras, income mobility has been highest during periods of conservative policy, and I'll see your robber barons and raise you communist bread lines.[/QUOTE]

The difference is that you at least had a chance to get bread from the line. The Baron would give you nothing, unless you were using his funny money (which only worked at the mining camp and at the stores of his close friends) to buy it... and you had to buy it from him, at HIS price.[/QUOTE]

Except there were a lot more people suffering soviet shortages than working for robber barons.

 

[sixpackshaker]

Or all those foreclosed neighborhoods. Or hyperpolluted city areas. Or zero mobility working classes. Or pretty much the whole robber baron era. That's your reality with a conservative bias.

Except the foreclosures were caused by liberal federal social engineering, hyperpollution wasn't exclusive to conservative areas or eras, income mobility has been highest during periods of conservative policy, and I'll see your robber barons and raise you communist bread lines.[/QUOTE]

The difference is that you at least had a chance to get bread from the line. The Baron would give you nothing, unless you were using his funny money (which only worked at the mining camp and at the stores of his close friends) to buy it... and you had to buy it from him, at HIS price.[/QUOTE]

Except there were a lot more people suffering soviet shortages than working for robber barons.[/QUOTE]

If it were not for the cruel hand of the Robber Barons the Communists would have never had the clout to take over any nation.

Basically anyone with a Factory Job from 1845 to 1930 worked for the Robber Barons. I mean anywhere in the world. So I'll assume your assumptions are a bit off.

 

[GasBandit]

Or all those foreclosed neighborhoods. Or hyperpolluted city areas. Or zero mobility working classes. Or pretty much the whole robber baron era. That's your reality with a conservative bias.

Except the foreclosures were caused by liberal federal social engineering, hyperpollution wasn't exclusive to conservative areas or eras, income mobility has been highest during periods of conservative policy, and I'll see your robber barons and raise you communist bread lines.[/QUOTE]

The difference is that you at least had a chance to get bread from the line. The Baron would give you nothing, unless you were using his funny money (which only worked at the mining camp and at the stores of his close friends) to buy it... and you had to buy it from him, at HIS price.[/QUOTE]

Except there were a lot more people suffering soviet shortages than working for robber barons.[/QUOTE]

If it were not for the cruel hand of the Robber Barons the Communists would have never had the clout to take over any nation.

Basically anyone with a Factory Job from 1845 to 1930 worked for the Robber Barons. I mean anywhere in the world. So I'll assume your assumptions are a bit off.[/QUOTE]

And I'll assume that your assumptions about my assumptions make an ASS of U and ME

Population of Soviet union - 293 million. Number of distinct factory jobs in 1930 = ?

 

[WolfOfOdin]

Well, Gas got what he wanted and derailed this into a debate over how 'da librulz' are evil and incompetent.

Let's bring this back to the real matter at hand please? Rewriting history this way, from the left or the right, is horrific and damn near Orwellian. I don't want to live in a world where students are force-fed idiocy from either wing because it helps them look better.

Honestly? Make Lies my Teacher Told me and The People's History of the United States mandatory reading for high school students. They should learn the horribly ugly side of our nation (institutionalized cultural genocide, crushing poverty during the gilded age and the disgusting result of the Jim Crow laws which permeate parts of our system even to this day) and the absolute wonder that our nation is, a place where dreams can actually come true for some folk.

 

[Troll]

I'm honestly unsure of how other people are educated in social studies classes. In high school I took some crappy college courses during the summer to make room for other classes during the normal school year, so I have no idea how good/bad classes were at my high school. Now that I'm a teacher, I always make a point of covering everything, good or bad. Is it really that rare for high school teachers to give a complete history of the US?

 

[WolfOfOdin]

I'm honestly unsure of how other people are educated in social studies classes. In high school I took some crappy college courses during the summer to make room for other classes during the normal school year, so I have no idea how good/bad classes were at my high school. Now that I'm a teacher, I always make a point of covering everything, good or bad. Is it really that rare for high school teachers to give a complete history of the US?

I took honors courses in High School, Troll, so I got the kind of experience you're giving to your students, the good and bad our nation's done. However I perused a friend in normal US History's textbook one day and it was....well the nice way to say it is a fluff-job. Nothing bad happened, just white people founding a nation and everyone being happy.

Of course, only the erm...'remedial' kids took regular history, my HS was insanely proud of how smart its kids were. I do think, however, it's disingenuous to only tell the true history of a nation to the 'smart' kids.

 

[Troll]

I'm honestly unsure of how other people are educated in social studies classes. In high school I took some crappy college courses during the summer to make room for other classes during the normal school year, so I have no idea how good/bad classes were at my high school. Now that I'm a teacher, I always make a point of covering everything, good or bad. Is it really that rare for high school teachers to give a complete history of the US?

I took honors courses in High School, Troll, so I got the kind of experience you're giving to your students, the good and bad our nation's done. However I perused a friend in normal US History's textbook one day and it was....well the nice way to say it is a fluff-job. Nothing bad happened, just white people founding a nation and everyone being happy.

Of course, only the erm...'remedial' kids took regular history, my HS was insanely proud of how smart its kids were. I do think, however, it's disingenuous to only tell the true history of a nation to the 'smart' kids.[/QUOTE]

I think I've been lucky due to my job. I landed a position at a school with some very smart, excellent teachers who insist on making the curriculum as complete as possible, no fluff allowed. I've borrowed quite a few lessons from them on Jim Crow, the Trail of Tears, occupation of the Phillipines, etc. And of course these go right next to lessons on more positive lessons, such as making the Constitution and World War II. We always strive to keep it balanced.

I didn't realize it was that bad most places. Blech.

 

[@Li3n]

Oh man, last night i saw Wednesday's Daily Show.... it showed some old lady actually arguing that some guy shouldn't be in a history book because people didn't already know about him like they did about Ghandi or MLKjr.

Of course your education system is screwed up if those are the people in charge...

income mobility has been highest during periods of conservative policy

Income mobility was at it's highest when you could just kill someone and take everything they had... fortunes where made and lost almost daily. Then someone invented civilisation, and now you're trapped by all sort of liberal agendas... woe is you.

But there's still hope:

 

[GasBandit]

Make Lies my Teacher Told me and The People's History of the United States mandatory reading

I haven't read The People's History, but Lies My Teacher Told Me is great reading.

 

[Cajungal]

I read that for one of my Education classes. It's great! I gave it as a gift to two of my teacher friends, and they love it too!

 

[WolfOfOdin]

Make Lies my Teacher Told me and The People's History of the United States mandatory reading

I haven't read The People's History, but Lies My Teacher Told Me is great reading.[/QUOTE]

It's by Howard Zinn, which shows an American History through the lens of the poor and working class, a bottom-up view instead of a top-down one like we usually get from textbooks.

To quote Zinn,

"I want young people to understand that ours is a beautiful country, but it has been taken over by men who have no respect for human rights or constitutional liberties. Our people are basically decent and caring, and our highest ideals are expressed in the Declaration of Independence, which says that all of us have an equal right to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” The history of our country, I point out in my book, is a striving, against corporate robber barons and war makers, to make those ideals a reality — and all of us, of whatever age, can find immense satisfaction in becoming part of that."

Keep in mind I absolutely agree with his views of how wonderful our country can be, and how shamefully it has failed at times.