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Steven Soderburgin

Kissinger, I don't think you need to extend an olive branch. You are who you are and either we accept that or bugger off.

But I have to ask a question, don't I?

Um...If you could change the ending to any movie what would it be and how would you change it?
Well, recently, I'd probably change the ending of Knowing, which I found disgustingly lurid, nearly pornographic.
Could you briefly explain the different 'waves' of feminism to me? My friend made reference to 'first' and 'third' wave feminists the other day, and I forgot to look it up. I guess I could now, but since you listed that as an area of interest, I figured I could just ask you!
First wave is pretty basic, but very important. It started in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries and was mostly focuses on property rights, suffrage, that sort of thing. Think Susan B. Anthony.

Second wave began in the sixties and coincided with the sexual revolution for the most part. It was mostly concerned with ending discrimination. Some really great, essential feminist texts were written during this time, such as The Feminine Mystique by Betty Friedan. This is when Women's Liberation first became a thing, so to speak. This is the "bra-burning" era, but there's a lot of debate over whether much bra-burning was actually done. This is also when organizations such as the Women's Liberation Front and NOW got started.

Third Wave feminism gets a little more difficult to define. It started in the 1990's and was basically a response to the failures of second wave feminism at getting things like equal pay, better protections for reproductive rights, and so on. When people say Third Wave feminism, they're referring to the more modern movements. It's harder to define, though, because the modern movement doesn't have any, or even a few, single unifying idea or goal. It's very fractious.


Deliberately ignoring Grueman's question because it's stupid jokey.
 

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How would you differentiate between humorous posts and misogyny? Or can there be humor (in your eyes) that makes light of things about the female persuasion without it being misogynistic? And what do yuo say about humor making fun of men?

In that same vein, what do you consider to be "safe" humor.
 
Re: Femenism.

As far as I understood it previously, 'men and women are equal' would be a very fist wave thing to say. 'men and women are the same' by contrast, would be a very third wave thing to say.

Thoughts? Again, I know next to nothing about the particulars, but I think I'm getting a better idea.
 
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I'm pretty much wide open as far as humor is concerned as long as I know someone. A good friend of mine at a party recently asked another friend about her campus feminist organization "So, if your group is all women, how do you decide which one is the secretary?"

Basically, if it's clever and funny and not mean spirited, that's fine. You can make jokes about a stereotype without the stereotype being the joke (unless it's stretching the stereotype to a ridiculous, absurd degree). I'm getting into humor theory now, I guess, and I'm really tired (I've been at work for 13 hours) but it's sort of an "I know it when I see it" kind of thing. Basically, I will never mind jokes that make fun of stereotypes (such as the one referenced above), but I do mind jokes that reinforce those stereotypes. Something like that typically means the stereotype, and not a comment on the stereotype, is the entire joke.

Same goes for jokes about men. Sexism hurts everyone, and that is true with sexist humor as well. But yeah, it's really tough to define, and I don't get quite as upset about humor making fun of men (though I still think it's really stupid) because of the whole patriarchy thing.

As far as "safe" humor goes, I've never really been a "safe" humor kind of guy.
 
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Re: Femenism.

As far as I understood it previously, 'men and women are equal' would be a very fist wave thing to say. 'men and women are the same' by contrast, would be a very third wave thing to say.

Thoughts? Again, I know next to nothing about the particulars, but I think I'm getting a better idea.
Yeah, that seems pretty accurate. First wave was, as I said, really about getting basic civil rights, like the right to vote, own property, be independent, that sort of thing. The second statement is way more third wave than first wave, and certainly not second wave. It definitely doesn't represent ALL of the third wave ideas, though.

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Please note that I am now entering hour 14 at work, so any attempts to answer questions intelligibly will likely be unsuccessful.
 
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Kitty Sinatra

That's okay. It's not like I was about to ask any intelligent questions anyway.

Oh, got another one: What's your position on the state of Health Care in your country, and are you at all concerned that Obama's reform, if it goes through as he hopes, will result in you being, in your old age, brought up before a death panel to be designated orange or green?



You thought that was gonna be an intelligent Q when you started reading it didn't you?

Orange: You're plant food.
Green: You're people food.
 
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Steven Soderburgin

I worked until 2 AM last night and had to come in again at 7. Ask more questions
 
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Where the hell do you work, a sweat shop?
I work QA for a game company and we had a big patch that came out this morning. We were here late last night making sure it was ready to go, then had to come in early this morning to make sure everything patched up correctly.
which wave of feminism has the biggest tits
Second wave. What do you think Betty Freidan was talking about in Feminine Mystique?
 

Dave

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Where the hell do you work, a sweat shop?
I work QA for a game company and we had a big patch that came out this morning. We were here late last night making sure it was ready to go, then had to come in early this morning to make sure everything patched up correctly.[/QUOTE]

My QA brother! Hang in there, Metrics Man!
 
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