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At least 14 injured in Texas College Mass Stabbing

Apr 9, 2013#1

GasBandit

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/09/lone-star-stabbing-texas-community-college_n_3045991.html

College student in Cypress, TX (northwest Houston) apparently went building to building stabbing people.

Guess it's time to ban sharp objects.

Apr 9, 2013#2

blotsfan

I missed the part where it said people died.*

*Thankfully

Apr 9, 2013#3

Tress

If everyone else was carrying a huge knife, this never would have happened. We should make it required for all teachers to carry knives with them in the classroom.

Apr 9, 2013#4

GasBandit

Tress said:
If everyone else was carrying a huge knife, this never would have happened. We should make it required for all teachers to carry knives with them in the classroom.

The founding fathers could never have envisioned the knives of today. Be it the clean efficiency of stainless steel or the easily-concealed exacto knife, had the framers of the constitution known perhaps they wouldn't have been so cavalier about Americans owning them!

Apr 9, 2013#5

bhamv3

Excuse me, but I have very legitimate reasons to own a knife, and I don't appreciate being lumped in with these psycho stabbers. For example, my knife is for self defense. And hunting.

Apr 9, 2013#6

Cajungal

I enjoy blowing off steam at the stabbing range.

Apr 9, 2013#7

Espy

Cajungal said:
I enjoy blowing off steam at the stabbing range.

Thats what SHE said!

...wait...

Apr 9, 2013#8

strawman

We need to conduct rigorous background checks for knife sales, including private knife sales.

We should also look into regulating sharpeners, which make knives much more effective than they would naturally be.

Apr 9, 2013#9

Gilgamesh

The government can't take my knives, how else will I fight the Army they're going to send because their Tyrannical Rulers want my knives!

Apr 9, 2013#10

strawman

Gilgamesh said:
The government can't take my knives, how else will I fight the Army they're going to send because their Tyrannical Rulers want my knives!

They've got nuclear knives. Are you going to sta claiming you have a right to your own nuclear knives? If not, then what reasonable expectation do you have that your knife collection will end tyranny?

Apr 9, 2013#11

sixpackshaker

stienman said:
We need to conduct rigorous background checks for knife sales, including private knife sales.

We should also look into regulating sharpeners, which make knives much more effective than they would naturally be.

It is not easy to purchase a large kitchen knife in England. No, really.

Apr 9, 2013#12

strawman

If we take away knives, people will just use baseball bats. Knives don't kill, people do.[DOUBLEPOST=1365564042][/DOUBLEPOST]

sixpackshaker said:
It is not easy to purchase a large kitchen knife in England. No, really.

Yep. And if you carry a knife on you, you can be charged with a crime if you don't have good reason to be carrying one.

Apr 9, 2013#13

blotsfan

Again, no one died. How often does someone shoot 14 people without any deaths?

Apr 9, 2013#14

strawman

blotsfan said:
Again, no one died. How often does someone shoot 14 people without any deaths?

Ooh, ooh, I know this one!

"As often as it takes."

Apr 9, 2013#15

Tress

blotsfan said:
Again, no one died. How often does someone shoot 14 people without any deaths?

I thought we were all just having fun mocking the usual gun control debates around here, cranky-pants.

Apr 10, 2013#16

Bubble181

Yeah, I'm all in favour of this being a joke thread*. Otherwise, we do have to start on that whole thing again, and I'm pretty sure this Horse Mulch isn't helping anyone.
For the record, anything over 28 cm (about 11 inches) is regulated in Belgium

*It's still a tragedy 14 people were injured, of course

That said, I think a good measure from the government would be to ban serrated knives. You don't need it for anything, it just looks "evil" and makes sure wounds inflicted bleed more and have a higher risk of infections; there's no reason why anyone would want a serrated blade for hunting or the range.

Apr 10, 2013#17

Covar

but tomatoes!

Apr 10, 2013#18

Bubble181

Covar said:
but tomatoes!

A real chef can peel a tomato without a serrated edge. Only wussies need help like that. You think our ancestors had those high tech edges to deal with tomatoes? No they didn't. I simply don't have any respect for anyone who thinks using a serrated edge on a tomato is "sporting".

Apr 10, 2013#19

Covar

When the tomato crop grows rampant and out of control it will be on your head.

Apr 10, 2013#20

DarkAudit

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a knife is a good guy with a knife.

Apr 10, 2013#21

Shawn

No one's saying we want to ban ALL knives. Just the military grade ones that have no business in the hands of civilians.
Please feel free to arm yourself with as many butter knives as you can carry.

Apr 10, 2013#22

Gilgamesh

Shawnacy said:
No one's saying we want to ban ALL knives. Just the military grade ones that have no business in the hands of civilians.
Please feel free to arm yourself with as many butter knives as you can carry.

But as stated before, a butter knife won't stop an entire army led by a Tyrannical government the way a military grade knife will. Everyone knows that a single or even a few people with military grade knives is enough to stop an entire Army!

Apr 10, 2013#23

Shawn

Gilgamesh said:
But as stated before, a butter knife won't stop an entire army led by a Tyrannical government the way a military grade knife will. Everyone knows that a single or even a few people with military grade knives is enough to stop an entire Army!

But what's going to stop the army from... I don't know... THROWING their knives at you?

Apr 10, 2013#24

Gilgamesh

Shawnacy said:
But what's going to stop the army from... I don't know... THROWING their knives at you?

They can't, because even though they're Tyrannical, they won't kill innocents that fight back with knives.

Apr 10, 2013#25

Shawn

You don't need your limbs to live.

Apr 10, 2013#26

strawman

Look, we already prohibit the sale of butterfly, spring loaded, and other fully automatic knives. It hasn't made our citizens any less safe.

We shouldn't need knives longer than 3" paring knives for most needs, and those that do need longer knives would only need a chefs license.

I don't see the problem with having a national list of licensed longknife owners.

That won't stop mechanical geniuses from making their own knives, of course, but knives are complex enough that few will be able to make effective ones in their own home, even with the proliferation of instructions online and cheap grinding machines. They might as well be banging flint rocks together.

Apr 10, 2013#27

Azurephoenix

They can regulate knives all they want... I'm just going to print them on my fancy pants laser sintering machine and have all the knives I desire!

Apr 10, 2013#28

strawman

Azurephoenix said:
They can regulate knives all they want... I'm just going to print them on my fancy pants laser sintering machine and have all the knives I desire!

You could buy thousands of black market knives before you reached the cost of a laser sintering machine, but even it that weren't true,try to sharpen a laser sintered knife. It just ain't gonna happen folks.

Besides, how are you going to be able to effectively stab people with no depth perception since that one time you were curious about the machine and opened the door without protective eyewear?

Apr 10, 2013#29

Azurephoenix

stienman said:
Besides, how are you going to be able to effectively stab people with no depth perception since that one time you were curious about the machine and opened the door without protective eyewear?

I thought we swore NEVER to speak of this!!! You traitor!

Apr 10, 2013#30

Ravenpoe

What now, bitches?

Apr 10, 2013#31

Rovewin

We need to do something to change perception of knives in society. Right now parents are leaving knives easily accessible to small children. Parents are even giving their children knives without so much as a knife safety class and leaving them unattended. We need to get society to see them for what they are. Relentless stabbing machines.

Apr 10, 2013#32

GasBandit

Rovewin said:
We need to do something to change perception of knives in society. Right now parents are leaving knives easily accessible to small children. Parents are even giving their children knives without so much as a knife safety class and leaving them unattended. We need to get society to see them for what they are. Relentless stabbing machines.

You'll never overcome the obsessive knife culture in this country, it's disgusting and bewildering.

Apr 10, 2013#33

CrimsonSoul

GasBandit said:
You'll never overcome the obsessive knife culture in this country, it's disgusting and bewildering.

GasBandit is channeling his inner Charlie Don't Surf

Apr 10, 2013#34

GasBandit

CrimsonSoul said:
GasBandit is channeling his inner Charlie Don't Surf

Apr 10, 2013#35

Bowielee

This undermines our argument. Let's just make fun of it.

Apr 10, 2013#36

GasBandit

Bowielee said:
This undermines our argument. Let's just make fun of it.

Hey, it works against those pesky global warming deniers.

Apr 10, 2013#37

Shawn

If you want to try and convince me your knife is for hunting, fine. Go ahead and show me you can outrun an antelope.

Apr 10, 2013#38

Ravenpoe

Bowielee said:
This undermines our argument. Let's just make fun of it.

I don't feel like this actually undermines anyone's argument on either side. It's just a ridiculous (and tragic for those involved) scenario that we, at large, choose to process through humor.

Apr 10, 2013#39

Frank

Repeating knife joke!

Amirite?

Apr 10, 2013#40

Tress

Bowielee said:
This undermines our incessant ideological cat fight that has no hope of affecting change in any meaningful way. Let's just make fun of it.

That's what you should have said, if you were being honest.

Apr 10, 2013#41

strawman

Shawnacy said:
If you want to try and convince me your knife is for hunting, fine. Go ahead and show me you can outrun an antelope.

Antelopes are not native to North America, and we shouldn't be comparing our society's knife culture to the knife culture of the African and Eurasian regions of the world. You may well find that stealthy Kenyan runners armed with spear mounted knives could, in fact, feed their family on their hunting skills, but that's largely irrelevant to our society of pudgy pale people.

What we really need for those people is a knife that can be thrown with great speed and accuracy. One which can be easily handled and stored, is light weight and can throw one or more knives with little to no preparation. It would also be handy if these knives penetrated further than their own blade depth. While they could be reusable, it would probably be best if the device could be used multiple times, but the knives were considered disposable.

I don't know what the answer is, but until we can design such a device, I think that knives are here to stay. Hunters really have no other good alternative, and until there is one I don't think it's right to regulate them so tightly that a man can't feed his family of nine without resorting to government supplied venison and buffalo.

Apr 10, 2013#42

sixpackshaker

Frank said:
Repeating knife joke!

Amirite?

I've known guns to misfire, but I've yet to see a knife miscut.

Apr 10, 2013#43

Shawn

stienman said:
Antelopes are not native to North America, and we shouldn't be comparing our society's knife culture to the knife culture of the African and Eurasian regions of the world. You may well find that stealthy Kenyan runners armed with spear mounted knives could, in fact, feed their family on their hunting skills, but that's largely irrelevant to our society of pudgy pale people.

What we really need for those people is a knife that can be thrown with great speed and accuracy. One which can be easily handled and stored, is light weight and can throw one or more knives with little to no preparation. It would also be handy if these knives penetrated further than their own blade depth. While they could be reusable, it would probably be best if the device could be used multiple times, but the knives were considered disposable.

I don't know what the answer is, but until we can design such a device, I think that knives are here to stay. Hunters really have no other good alternative, and until there is one I don't think it's right to regulate them so tightly that a man can't feed his family of nine without resorting to government supplied venison and buffalo.

McDonald's dollar menu.

Apr 10, 2013#44

strawman

That's an answer.

IF YOU ENJOY CONSUMING THE MIND CONTROL DRUGS THE GOVERNMENT FORCES MCDONALD'S TO ADD TO THEIR FOOD.

Apr 10, 2013#45

Shawn

A guest at the hotel once asked me where he could get food late at night. I mentioned a Chinese place not to far. His reply was "Do I look like I want to eat CAT?"
The man smelled like a pot farm, and drove to the hotel in Volkswagon Van covered in war protest stickers.

Stereotypes are fun!

Apr 10, 2013#46

GasBandit

sixpackshaker said:
I've known guns to misfire, but I've yet to see a knife miscut.

Happens in kitchens all over america every day. Hell, happened in mine a couple months ago... little woman was chopping vegetables, and suddenly fingertip was on the menu.

Apr 10, 2013#47

strawman

When a lot of people say "misfire" what they really mean is the gun fired when they didn't realize they were squeezing the trigger, or, more rarely, the gun did not fire correctly when they were intentionally squeezing the trigger.

So "misfires" are about as common as "miscuts" and for the same reasons - either the tool was being used improperly, or it wasn't maintained properly so that when it was used it didn't work as intended.

Most "misfires" in law enforcement are called "accidental discharge" because the gun did not actually fail in any way.

Apr 10, 2013#48

sixpackshaker

To me the misfire is that the gun no longer works. Either jammed from not ejecting, or the round fails to fire.

Apr 10, 2013#49

Shakey

stienman said:
I don't know what the answer is, but until we can design such a device, I think that knives are here to stay. Hunters really have no other good alternative, and until there is one I don't think it's right to regulate them so tightly that a man can't feed his family of nine without resorting to government supplied venison and buffalo.

How about the ballistic knife! Unfortunately it's illegal to buy. Apparently depending on the state you can still make one yourself as long as you don't intend to sell it.

Kind of funny that there is a federal ban on a device that can really only shoot a knife 15 feet, but guns are just fine.

Apr 10, 2013#50

Ravenpoe

Shakey said:
How about the ballistic knife! Unfortunately it's illegal to buy. Apparently depending on the state you can still make one yourself as long as you don't intend to sell it.
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Kind of funny that there is a federal ban on a device that can really only shoot a knife 15 feet, but guns are just fine.

I think if I owned one of those, I would remove the knife part and use it as a lightsaber hilt.

......

Goddamn I'm a dork.

Apr 10, 2013#51

Shakey

Ravenpoe said:
I think if I owned one of those, I would remove the knife part and use it as a lightsaber hilt.

......

Goddamn I'm a dork.

Ballistic lightsaber!

Apr 10, 2013#52

sixpackshaker

It is illegal to carry a Bowie Knife in Texas. That is just so wrong to me.

Apr 10, 2013#53

GasBandit

sixpackshaker said:
It is illegal to carry a Bowie Knife in Texas. That is just so wrong to me.

I feel like I might need to put this in my signature, I say it so often... "There's no bureaucrat like a Texas bureaucrat."

Apr 10, 2013#54

sixpackshaker

If you have ever seen Sam Houston's Bowie Knives you would understand. He called them his "short swords." That and there were hundreds of Bowie Knife duels going on...

Apr 10, 2013#55

Ravenpoe

sixpackshaker said:
If you have ever seen Sam Houston's Bowie Knives you would understand. He called them his "short swords." That and there were hundreds of Bowie Knife duels going on...

I assume bowie knife duels are the official passtime of Texas.

Apr 10, 2013#56

GasBandit

Ravenpoe said:
I assume bowie knife duels are the official passtime of Texas.

Well, they should be.

Apr 10, 2013#57

sixpackshaker

Ravenpoe said:
I assume bowie knife duels are the official passtime of Texas.

The were from 1830's through the Civil War, if not longer.

You can't have a sword in your car in Louisiana either.

Apr 10, 2013#58

Chad Sexington

sixpackshaker said:
The were from 1830's through the Civil War, if not longer.

You can't have a sword in your car in Louisiana either.

Well so much for my Road Fencing club.

Apr 11, 2013#59

sixpackshaker

Chad Sexington said:
Well so much for my Road Fencing club.

But it does screw with Larpers and Ren Faire participants.

Apr 11, 2013#60

fade

Any knife longer than 4 inches is technically illegal in TX if I recall correctly.

Also, all joking aside, my wife works there as an adjunct. This is the second Lone Star incident this year, and it's only April.

Apr 11, 2013#61

sixpackshaker

You can carry a 5.5 inch folding knife, but any concealed fixed blade is illegal.

You guys should see the knife I use on my apples...

Apr 11, 2013#62

GasBandit

Yeah, the official Bear Grylls survival knife I keep in my trunk with the tools is hella illegal.

Apr 11, 2013#63

strawman

Knives aren't considered arms and protected by the second amendment? Where's the national knife association?

Apr 11, 2013#64

Tress

stienman said:
Knives aren't considered arms and protected by the second amendment? Where's the national knife association?

In all seriousness, I don't really understand how knives, swords, and any other melee weapon isn't covered under the 2nd Amendment. It doesn't cite guns specifically.

Apr 11, 2013#65

GasBandit

Tress said:
In all seriousness, I don't really understand how knives, swords, and any other melee weapon isn't covered under the 2nd Amendment. It doesn't cite guns specifically.

It's assumed because the British didn't attempt to confiscate melee weapons in colonial America, only firearms and gunpowder.

Most of the amendments in the Bill of Rights were directly addressing some grievance or other the Americans had with something the British had done. For example, the one about not being forced to shelter soldiers in your home. Not quite a big issue any more, but at the time it was just as big a deal.

Apr 11, 2013#66

Tress

GasBandit said:
Most of the amendments in the Bill of Rights were directly addressing some grievance or other the Americans had with something the British had done.

Obviously, but the law evolves. I'm surprised someone hasn't argued that bladed weapons shouldn't be covered under the same laws, despite the tradition of just addressing gun ownership.

Apr 11, 2013#67

GasBandit

Tress said:
Obviously, but the law evolves. I'm surprised someone hasn't argued that bladed weapons shouldn't be covered under the same laws, despite the tradition of just addressing gun ownership.

Well, there's also that even in the late 18th century, you didn't fight tyranny with melee weapons. Remember, the 2nd amendment is not about hunting or home defense, it's about making the government hesitant to oppress an armed populace.

It gets back to what I always say... the intent was to keep the militia (defined as every American of age) as well armed as any standing army. In 1776, that meant muskets, not knives, just as today it means Assault rifles, not shotguns (or swords).

Apr 11, 2013#68

Tress

GasBandit said:
Well, there's also that even in the late 18th century, you didn't fight tyranny with melee weapons. Remember, the 2nd amendment is not about hunting or home defense, it's about making the government hesitant to oppress an armed populace.

It gets back to what I always say... the intent was to keep the militia (defined as every American of age) as well armed as any standing army. In 1776, that meant muskets, not knives, just as today it means Assault rifles, not shotguns (or swords).

Please, lecture me some more with your patronizing tone, for though I am a history teacher I know nothing of this "Constitution." :rolleyes:

Apr 11, 2013#69

GasBandit

Tress said:
Please, lecture me some more with your patronizing tone, for though I am a history teacher I know nothing of this "Constitution."

Most don't.

Apr 11, 2013#70

Bowielee

Tress said:
Please, lecture me some more with your patronizing tone, for though I am a history teacher I know nothing of this "Constitution."

Apparently people round these parts don't take kindly to you speaking from a position of any authority based on what you do.

Apr 11, 2013#71

CrimsonSoul

Tress said:
Please, lecture me some more with your patronizing tone, for though I am a history teacher I know nothing of this "Constitution."

Constitution? That's for hit points in dnd right?

Apr 11, 2013#72

GasBandit

I'm sorry, I thought there was a question asked that desired an answer, in a discussion with actual verbose replies. Next time I guess I'll just reply "lol stfu dork" and everybody will be happier. Or just good old fashioned image macros, everybody loves those.

Apr 11, 2013#73

Gilgamesh

Bowielee said:
Apparently people round these parts don't take kindly to you speaking from a position of any authority based on what you do.

Student ≠ Teacher
Teacher = Real Life experience + Study/Knowledge

Apr 11, 2013#74

Tress

GasBandit said:
I'm sorry, I thought there was a question asked that desired an answer, in a discussion with actual verbose replies. Next time I guess I'll just reply "lol stfu dork" and everybody will be happier. Or just good old fashioned image macros, everybody loves those.

It's so hard being you. :rolleyes:

Apr 11, 2013#75

GasBandit

Tress said:
It's so hard being you.

If it was easy, anybody could do it.

Apr 11, 2013#76

Bowielee

Gilgamesh said:
Student ≠ Teacher
Teacher = Real Life experience + Study/Knowledge

I have real life research experience study and knowledge. I've conducted my own studies with significant results, which is more than most grad students can say. I hate that you infer that student's don't know anything about the subject they study almost exclusively for years. It DOES give you more knowledge than the average Joe on the street.