Bin laden is dead!
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Dude, you have the worst case of white-male guilt I've ever seen.
This. And then some.
Yep, Osama Bin Laden was a special flower of special snowflake uniqueness. The world is a worse place without him because we ended a life that was as specially unique as the next unique butterfly... When are you going to grow up and realize that some people are justifiably killed when they are a threat to the well-being of the world? I'm sure that the Navy Seals who bagged him wanted him alive so he could have stood trial in America for his crimes, but unfortunately that's not how a firefight usually goes down.
Seriously shut the fuck up if you're going to perpetually live in this freshman year political science fantasy world of yours. The celebrations at the White House were a form of relief; that the US has some closure on a awful thing that happened to us. We're not celebrating the death of civilians in the Middle East.
Dave
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My only problem with the whole thing is the capturing of the body and (apparent) subsequent burial at sea. How long before the wingnuts come out & say it was all fake and the photo is not real?
My guess is this is the next step for the birthers as it's impossible to disprove if they've already disposed of the body.
My guess is this is the next step for the birthers as it's impossible to disprove if they've already disposed of the body.
Yeah, putting words in his mouth is a great way to get him to reconsider his stance...
And i'm sure they where not celebrating the death of innocent people either, they where relieved that the US wasn't immune to retribution... and it was justifiable because the US is a threat to the muslim world etc.
Seriously, stop helping, you're just making him more secure in his snugness... (the irony is that he's as self righteous as the people he's criticising for being self righteous).
J
Jiarn
He straight up compared the people who are celebrating (alot of them who lost family in 9/11) to the revelers in Pakistan when the towers were hit. He isn't self-righteous. He's completely lost in himself and his detachment from reality.
Yeah, that was pretty stupid, basically the worst way to make sure his grave won't become a shrine... they could at least kept it for longer.
But the first reports of his death where about a predator drone, so we should wait for more official news about it.
So what do you do with the body when there's no one to claim it? Saudi Arabia refused permission for it to be repatriated to his home country. Who else would be silly enough to step up and say "okay, we'll take it"?
And as they were treating the body according to Islamic practices and traditions, burial had to take place within 24 hours. Time wasn't on their side.
And as they were treating the body according to Islamic practices and traditions, burial had to take place within 24 hours. Time wasn't on their side.
And that's not the first symptom of self-righteousness since when?
And you really think the people in Pakistan where celebrating some random people they had no interest in getting killed? And that it won't look to them exactly like they did to you?
Hell, would it really matter if some of those revellers had lost family in US strikes (or from weapons they sold to regimes they supported) at some point before?
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I was thinking keeping it longer, but i guess if that's an actual custom (gah, 24 hours is a recipe for waking up buried, that's why we started using the 3 days thing) that's a legit reason.
This is exactly what Charlie was trying to say in the first place, and it makes no sense. You can be perfectly happy that Osama bin laden is dead for the crimes he committed without supporting the invasion of Iraq and/or Afghanistan.
The Good News: I did have a bottle of Kahlua.
The Bad News: It really makes a terrible shooter.
I just wonder how the Most Wanted Man in Pakistan could build a mansion next to the Pakistani Military Training Academy and not get noticed for six years. Pakistan has a lot to answer for on that subject.
Wait, really? I thought it was just near Islamabad?
1000 feet away.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Military_Academy
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It sounds like it is an attached High School to the Military Academy.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_Military_Academy
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It sounds like it is an attached High School to the Military Academy.
They'll do that anyways. The birth certificate nonsense has shown us that.
C
Chibibar
heh. I wondered about that.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden
but the crazy people will think this is all a rues anyways and fake since there is no body to prove.
I am truly and honestly torn on this. I have to admit to feeling some sense of satisfaction when I first read that he was killed, and it is still satisfying to see that we finally got rid of this one man. But I just honestly don't think that it changes anything. People who hate other people are still going to attack them, the world over, with little to no regard for noncombatant life. In the U.S., our security theater organs are going to continue to conduct security theater. Just because Bin Laden is dead doesn't mean they're going to let us walk to the airport gate with friends and loved ones when they fly out, and it doesn't mean that I won't be felt up and/or irradiated when I fly somewhere.
I don't know. I guess the best way to sum up my feelings on the matter is that, for most of the U.S. and world, this is a great symbolic victory, the closing of this specific chapter of our lives. For those whose lives were directly impacted by 9/11, who lost family members or friends in the attack itself, or those who've lost loved ones and friends in the years since in the war on terrorism, maybe it's more meaningful. If so, I'm happy for them. Maybe there are some people out there who can finally get closure and start to heal and move on with their lives. But it really doesn't change my life.
I don't know. I guess the best way to sum up my feelings on the matter is that, for most of the U.S. and world, this is a great symbolic victory, the closing of this specific chapter of our lives. For those whose lives were directly impacted by 9/11, who lost family members or friends in the attack itself, or those who've lost loved ones and friends in the years since in the war on terrorism, maybe it's more meaningful. If so, I'm happy for them. Maybe there are some people out there who can finally get closure and start to heal and move on with their lives. But it really doesn't change my life.
C
Chibibar
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden_al_qaida_s_future
Agree. the article above said it "could" weaken the Al-Qaida but personally, I don't think it does. It just made him a martyr in their eyes. You can't crush an idea/belief. Sure you can slaughter millions (like the dark ages, WW II and any other attempt to kill tons of people for their belief) and it will go on.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_on_hi_te/ml_bin_laden_twitter
Bin Laden's neighbor tweeted the raid live.
Bin Laden's neighbor tweeted the raid live.
C
Chibibar
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_on_hi_te/ml_bin_laden_twitter
The power of twitter!
Bleh. I was suppose to quote Six. ah we..
The power of twitter!
Bleh. I was suppose to quote Six. ah we..
J
Jiarn
Jay, don't ever stop being awesome. Seriously.
While I am not sad that he is dead I find it hard to rejoice at the news. Granted he was a terrible man and all that but I find it hard to find joy in the death of someone. I mean I know he needed to be stopped but and I figured I would be happy but I just can't seem to get myself to be happy over the loss of a life. I want to state that I am glad he has been stopped and relieved he is dead but I find no joy in celebrating the fact.
I think what bugs me about TLB's statements are partially that he is drawing false equivalencies but mostly that he is painting with a broad brush. I am glad that a terrible threat has been removed from the world. We are (probably) better off today than we were yesterday as a species and as a society. But having this attitude means that TLB has painted me and plenty of others who feel a sense of relief as being horrible people, the same as those that celebrate the deaths of "brown people". Sorry, TLB, but my opinion is much more nuanced than that. I would say it is probably more nuanced than your own, actually. You can't criticize people for being sexist or racist or something and then do exactly the same thing to other people about something else. If you want to rise above the things that bother you about society, then you need to avoid the gross generalizations and judgmental attitude yourself.
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